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and_o authority_n of_o their_o lord_n when_o the_o say_v slave_n be_v catholic_n and_o their_o lord_n heretic_n for_o in_o that_o case_n the_o church_n may_v not_o only_o provide_v for_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o catholic_a but_o also_o just_o punish_v the_o heretical_a lord_n by_o grant_v freedom_n to_o the_o slave_n and_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o discharge_v subject_n from_o their_o bond_n of_o obedience_n and_o allegiance_n to_o a_o heretical_a prince_n when_o there_o be_v evident_a danger_n of_o their_o soul_n and_o great_a detriment_n to_o the_o church_n for_o the_o bond_n of_o allegiance_n to_o the_o prince_n be_v not_o great_a than_o the_o obligation_n of_o the_o son_n to_o the_o father_n the_o wife_n to_o the_o husband_n and_o the_o slave_n to_o his_o lord_n 91_o but_o all_o this_o i_o do_v full_o answer_v in_o my_o appendix_n 9_o appendix_n part._n 1._o sec_fw-la 9_o to_o suarez_n of_o who_o my_o adversary_n have_v borrow_v these_o argument_n for_o albeit_o there_o be_v a_o natural_a obligation_n whereby_o child_n be_v bind_v to_o honour_n and_o reverence_v their_o parent_n and_o from_o which_o without_o doubt_n the_o church_n have_v not_o authority_n to_o discharge_v the_o child_n of_o a_o heretic_n 9_o sot_n l._n 2._o the_o just_a q._n 3._o be_v 8._o valentia_n tom_n 2._o disp_n 7._o q._n 4._o punct_a 6._o vasq_fw-la in_o 1_o secundae_fw-la tom_fw-mi 2._o disp_n 179_o cap._n 2._o suarez_n lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr leg._n cap._n 14._o salas_n q._n 94._o sâ—_n 9_o unless_o my_o unlearned_a adversary_n will_v grant_v that_o the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o discharge_v one_o from_o that_o to_o which_o he_o be_v otherwise_o bind_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n which_o be_v a_o paradox_n in_o divinity_n as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o sotus_n valentia_n vasquez_n suarez_n salas_n and_o other_o who_o treat_v of_o law_n in_o so_o much_o that_o s._n thomas_n and_o his_o follower_n who_o opinion_n vasquez_n and_o many_o 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we_o and_o not_o much_o amiss_o and_o therefore_o let_v we_o see_v how_o he_o will_v answer_v it_o he_o give_v to_o this_o objection_n three_o answer_n the_o first_o be_v that_o both_o pope_n and_o counsel_n do_v oftentimes_o decree_v many_o thing_n which_o belong_v rather_o to_o the_o political_a or_o temporal_a then_o to_o the_o spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a power_n to_o decree_n with_o the_o express_a or_o tacit_a consent_n of_o prince_n who_o be_v there_o present_a by_o themselves_o or_o their_o ambassador_n or_o at_o leastwise_o presume_v or_o hope_v that_o prince_n will_v ratify_v the_o same_o and_o this_o say_v some_o expositor_n of_o the_o canon_n law_n say_v joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la for_o hostiensis_n extra_fw-la de_fw-la haereticis_fw-la cap._n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la where_o the_o pope_n command_v the_o good_n of_o heretic_n to_o be_v confiscate_v demand_v what_o the_o pope_n have_v to_o do_v with_o temporall_n and_o he_o answer_v with_o his_o lord_n pope_n 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