now_o sure_o the_o apostle_n james_n be_v not_o of_o the_o presbyter_n mere_o or_o choose_v from_o among_o they_o but_o to_o undeceave_v our_o informer_n as_o to_o bucers_n judgement_n in_o this_o point_n and_o to_o fortify_v the_o answer_n adduce_v i_o shall_v present_v unto_o he_o that_o which_o bucer_n assert_n de_n gub_n eccles_n p_o 432._o viz_o that_o the_o father_n call_v these_o first_o proestotes_n or_o moderator_n yea_o even_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o bishop_n n._n b._n in_o a_o large_a &_o general_a appellation_n because_o they_o first_o preach_v the_o gospel_n to_o those_o church_n and_o that_o to_o prove_v a_o succession_n of_o the_o true_a doctrine_n they_o name_v the_o most_o eminent_a minister_n the_o bishop_n to_o show_v that_o there_o be_v in_o these_o church_n a_o constant_a tract_n from_o the_o apostle_n both_o of_o sound_a doctrine_n &_o faithful_a teacher_n thereof_o eminent_a i_o say_v for_o gift_n and_o zeal_n or_o suffer_v for_o the_o gospel_n n._n b._n not_o in_o any_o episcopal_a authority_n except_o what_o be_v in_o that_o prostasie_n often_o mention_v now_o whither_o bucer_n be_v for_o one_fw-mi episcopacy_n in_o the_o high_a degree_n even_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o the_o episcopacy_n of_o james_n let_v any_o judge_n and_o whither_o or_o not_o this_o informer_n have_v acquitt_v prelacy_n of_o be_v both_o a_o groundless_a and_o godless_a usurpation_n in_o god_n church_n as_o his_o now_o prosyleted_a doubter_n say_v he_o be_v teach_v to_o call_v it_o the_o appeal_n be_v likwayes_o make_v to_o the_o judicious_a and_o impartial_a to_o judge_v from_o what_o be_v offer_v from_o the_o begin_n hereanent_a chap._n xv._n mr_n durham_n citation_n of_o the_o father_n for_o evince_v the_o identity_n of_o angel_n bishop_n and_o presbyter_n vindicat_fw-la from_o the_o exception_n of_o this_o informer_n mr_n durhame_n in_o his_o excellent_a commentary_n upon_o the_o revelation_n pag._n 223._o have_v go_v throw_v the_o epistle_n and_o embrace_v the_o sylleptick_a sense_n and_o acceptation_n of_o the_o word_n angel_n present_v in_o a_o digression_n several_a weighty_a and_o unanswerable_a argument_n both_o from_o these_o epistle_n and_o parallel_v text_n to_o prove_v the_o identity_n of_o angel_n bishop_n and_o presbyter_n which_o this_o informer_n pass_v over_o sicco_fw-it pede_fw-la find_v they_o no_o doubt_n pill_n of_o too_o hard_a a_o digestion_n for_o his_o stomach_n but_o mr._n durham_n add_v to_o his_o scriptureproofe_n of_o this_o important_a truth_n several_a clear_a testimony_n of_o most_o eminent_a ancient_a father_n assert_v the_o very_a same_o thing_n than_o seria_n res_fw-la agitur_fw-la with_o our_o informer_n and_o he_o bestirr_v himself_o amain_o to_o take_v these_o weapon_n out_o of_o mr_n durham_n hand_n offer_v several_a exception_n against_o his_o testimony_n which_o in_o vindication_n of_o the_o memory_n of_o so_o great_a a_o seer_n from_o this_o pampleter_n imputation_n and_o for_o the_o 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already_o clear_v ans._n we_o have_v make_v it_o appear_v thaâ—…_n jerome_n make_v the_o first_o bishop_n mere_a fix_a moderator_n and_o likewise_o one_fw-mi humane_a invention_n or_o custom_n discrepant_a from_o ihe_n first_o divine_a bishop_n who_o be_v prove_v by_o he_o to_o be_v in_o scripture_n the_o same_o with_o presbyter_n and_o iâ—…_n this_o be_v no_o prejudice_n to_o his_o diocesian_a prelate_n with_o sole_a power_n of_o ordination_n and_o jurisdiction_n let_v any_o judge_n 2._o the_o informer_n wonder_v how_o mr_n durhame_n coulâ—…_n cite_v augustiâ—…_n as_o of_o aerius_n mind_n since_o augustine_n hold_v he_o to_o be_v erroneous_a upon_o this_o ground_n haeres_fw-la 53._o aâ—…s_n why_o do_v he_o not_o answer_v to_o that_o passage_n of_o augustiâ—…_n cite_v by_o mr._n durhame_n as_o he_o pretend_v to_o answer_v to_o somâ—…_n of_o the_o rest_n of_o these_o father_n what_o say_v he_o to_o augustinâ—…_n word_n be_v they_o not_o he_o or_o do_v they_o not_o clear_o assert_v the_o identity_n of_o bishop_n &_o presbyter_n to_o say_v that_o augustin_n account_v aerius_n a_o heretic_n for_o this_o while_o he_o offer_v not_o to_o remove_v augustins_n clear_a assertion_n of_o the_o same_o thing_n be_v but_o to_o set_v he_o by_o the_o ear_n with_o himself_o not_o to_o answer_v his_o testimony_n next_o as_o for_o augustin_n account_v aerius_n a_o heretic_n for_o this_o he_o shall_v know_v that_o the_o learned_a do_v consent_v that_o augustin_n in_o this_o follow_v epiphanius_n who_o first_o impute_v heresy_n to_o aerius_n and_o make_v but_o very_o simple-insipid_a answer_n to_o aerius_n argument_n for_o his_o opinion_n and_o moreover_o that_o augustin_n relate_v his_o opinion_n anent_o the_o parity_n of_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n or_o rather_o his_o deny_v that_o their_o ought_v to_o be_v one_fw-mi ecclesiastic_a constitution_n anent_o their_o difference_n as_o that_o which_o epiphanius_n put_v among_o the_o roll_n of_o heresy_n himself_o not_o positive_o determine_v that_o this_o be_v a_o heresy_n for_o as_o be_v consent_v unto_o by_o the_o learned_a and_o particular_o by_o dr._n reinolds_n in_o his_o letter_n to_o sir_n francis_n knoll_v touch_v dr._n bancroft_n sermon_n about_o the_o difference_n betwixt_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n augustin_n aknowledge_v himself_o ignorant_a how_o far_o the_o definition_n of_o heresy_n do_v extend_v he_o enumerat_o the_o heresy_n which_o he_o find_v note_v by_o other_o writer_n but_o apply_v not_o the_o definition_n of_o heresy_n to_o every_o one_o of_o they_o far_o less_o can_v he_o do_v so_o in_o this_o point_n which_o be_v his_o own_o judgement_n as_o the_o passage_n cite_v by_o mr._n durham_n do_v evince_v that_o jerom_n and_o augustin_n be_v of_o aerius_n mind_n as_o to_o bishop_n be_v the_o judgement_n of_o very_a many_o sane_fw-la cum_fw-la aerio_fw-la sensit_fw-la hieronimus_fw-la say_v whittak_n contr._n 4._o q._n 1._o cap._n 3._o sect._n 30._o jerom_n true_o be_v of_o aerius_n mind_n on_o which_o ground_n we_o need_v care_v the_o less_o that_o aerius_n be_v so_o oft_o object_v to_o we_o by_o blockish_a man_n see_v how_o rude_a whittaker_n be_v again_o to_o our_o informer_n saravia_n himself_o the_o grad_n cap._n 23._o acknowledge_v that_o jerom_n dissent_v from_o epiphanius_n in_o this_o dr._n reynolds_n in_o that_o epistle_n to_o knoll_v about_o bancroft_n sermon_n assert_v with_o the_o informer_n that_o aerius_n be_v for_o his_o opinion_n condemn_v of_o heresy_n by_o the_o whole_a church_n prove_n from_o jerom_n and_o other_o writter_n who_o be_v contemporarie_a with_o epiphanius_n or_o flourish_v after_o he_o that_o augustin_n present_v that_o assertion_n anent_o the_o identite_n of_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n aâ—…_n heretical_a only_o as_o he_o find_v it_o relate_v by_o epiphanius_n whereas_o himself_o know_v not_o how_o far_o the_o name_n of_o heresy_n be_v to_o be_v extend_v as_o he_o testefy_v in_o his_o preface_n concern_v heresy_n but_o that_o augustin_n himself_o be_v of_o the_o judgement_n that_o by_o divine_a right_n there_o be_v no_o difference_n betwixt_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n he_o prove_v from_o his_o word_n epist._n 19_o he_o cite_v also_o jewel_n against_o harding_n the_o jesuit_n assert_v likewise_o with_o the_o informer_n that_o aerius_n be_v condemn_v for_o his_o opinion_n as_o a_o heretic_n who_o prove_v that_o jerome_n augustin_n ambrose_n be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n thus_o we_o see_v augustin_n make_v in_o this_o point_n consistent_a with_o jerome_n &_o also_o with_o himself_o who_o this_o man_n make_v to_o speak_v contradiction_n so_o as_o he_o may_v come_v fair_a off_o 3._o he_o answer_v that_o ambrose_n and_o chrysostoms_n testimony_n will_v not_o come_v mr._n durham_n length_n because_o though_o ambrose_n or_o one_o hilary_n say_v that_o episcopi_fw-la &_o presbyteri_fw-la una_fw-la est_fw-la ordinatio_fw-la that_o they_o be_v both_o priest_n yet_o the_o bishop_n be_v the_o first_o so_o that_o every_o priest_n be_v not_o a_o bishop_n for_o the_o bishop_n be_v the_o first_o priest_n
solemn_o consecrat_v by_o their_o fellow_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o their_o new_a episcopal_a order_n in_o a_o word_n we_o hear_v from_o cassander_n that_o the_o canonist_n and_o theologue_n who_o dispute_v this_o question_n do_v both_o accord_n that_o as_o to_o a_o jus_o divinum_fw-la or_o divine_a right_n there_o be_v no_o difference_n betwixt_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n either_o in_o order_n or_o degree_n and_o so_o though_o it_o be_v grant_v which_o yet_o the_o informer_n himself_o dare_v not_o positive_o assert_v that_o the_o father_n toss_v this_o question_n it_o will_v nothing_o help_v he_o nor_o prejudge_v mr_n durham_n quotation_n which_o speak_v of_o a_o jus_o divinum_fw-la as_o for_o what_o he_o add_v that_o the_o father_n cite_v by_o medina_n may_v hold_v the_o same_o notion_n let_v he_o hear_v how_o bellarmin_n no_o friend_n to_o presbyterian_a government_n represent_v his_o assertion_n the_o cler._n cap_n 15._o michael_n medina_n lib._n 1._o de_fw-fr sacrorum_fw-la hominum_fw-la origine_fw-la &_o eminentia_fw-la cap._n 5._o affirmat_fw-la sanctum_fw-la hieronimum_fw-la idem_fw-la omnino_fw-la cum_fw-la aerianis_fw-la sensisse_fw-la neque_fw-la solum_fw-la hieronimum_fw-la in_o ea_fw-la haeresi_fw-la fuisse_fw-la sed_fw-la etiam_fw-la ambrosium_fw-la sedulium_n primasium_n chrysostomum_n theodoretum_n oecumenium_n &_o theophylactum_n atque_fw-la ita_fw-la inquit_fw-la medina_n isti_fw-la viri_fw-la alioqui_fw-la sanctissimi_fw-la &_o sacrarum_fw-la scripturarum_fw-la consultissimi_fw-la quorum_fw-la tamen_fw-la sententiam_fw-la prius_fw-la in_o aerio_fw-la deinde_fw-la in_o waldensibus_fw-la postremo_fw-la in_o joanne_n wickleffo_n damnavit_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la that_o be_v michael_n medina_n in_o the_o first_o book_n concern_v the_o original_n and_o eminency_n of_o sacred_a man_n 5._o chap._n affirm_v that_o st_n jerome_n be_v every_o way_n of_o the_o same_o judgement_n with_o the_o aerian_o and_o that_o not_o only_o i_o be_v in_o that_o heresy_n but_o also_o ambrose_n sedulius_n primasius_n chrysostom_n theodoret_n oecomenius_n and_o theophylact_fw-mi and_o thus_o say_v medina_n these_o man_n otherways_o most_o godly_a and_o most_o expert_a in_o the_o holy_a scrpture_n who_o judgement_n notwithstanding_o the_o church_n condemn_v first_o in_o aerius_n next_o in_o the_o waldeneses_n and_o last_o in_o john_n wickleff_n let_v our_o informer_n note_v here_o 1._o that_o it_o be_v beyond_o debate_n with_o bellarmin_n that_o with_o medina_n at_o least_o all_o these_o father_n be_v aerian_n 2._o that_o his_o holy_a catholic_n church_n of_o rome_n be_v the_o grand_a condemner_n of_o this_o heresy_n 3._o that_o this_o be_v one_o of_o the_o heresy_n of_o the_o old_a waldenses_n these_o famous_a witness_n against_o antichrist_n and_o of_o john_n wickleff_n and_o such_o like_a eminent_a reformer_n afterwards_o he_o add_v that_o in_o jerome_n and_o these_o greek_a father_n that_o opinion_n be_v of_o old_a dissemble_v out_o of_o reverence_n to_o they_o but_o contrary_o in_o the_o heretic_n always_o condemn_v so_o we_o see_v the_o presbyterian_a principle_n be_v with_o he_o one_o of_o the_o heresy_n of_o protestant_n peter_n swav_n in_o the_o history_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n pag._n 664._o edit_n francfort_n relate_v that_o when_o the_o authority_n of_o jerom_n and_o augustin_n be_v bring_v to_o prove_v episcopacy_n to_o be_v but_o one_fw-mi ecclesiastic_a constitution_n michael_n medina_n answer_v that_o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n that_o jerom_n augustin_n and_o other_o of_o the_o father_n fall_v into_o that_o heresy_n not_o have_v thorough_o search_v the_o matter_n &_o that_o he_o maintain_v pro_fw-la virili_fw-la this_o to_o be_v their_o opinion_n final_o to_o make_v these_o father_n one_o with_o themselves_o who_o this_o man_n enforce_v in_o his_o next_o passage_n cite_v page_n 71_o 72._o anent_o the_o derivation_n of_o episcopacy_n from_o the_o apostle_n and_o high_a to_o speak_v palpable_a contradiction_n we_o must_v say_v with_o whittaker_n that_o they_o call_v the_o apostle_n so_o because_o they_o do_v that_o upon_o the_o matter_n which_o bishop_n then_o do_v and_o because_o their_o power_n quadam_fw-la similitudine_fw-la or_o by_o a_o certain_a similitude_n or_o likeness_n as_o junius_n express_v it_o be_v like_a to_o that_o of_o these_o extraordinary_a church_n officer_n who_o notwithstanding_o they_o can_v not_o succeed_v in_o the_o same_o office_n nor_o can_v these_o father_n think_v so_o upon_o the_o ground_n former_o mention_v tilen_v in_o his_o specul_n antichr_n ortum_fw-la aperiens_fw-la aphoris_n 88_o tell_v we_o that_o episcopos_fw-la &_o presbyteros_fw-la re_fw-la &_o nomine_fw-la eosdem_fw-la fuisse_fw-la non_fw-la hieronimus_fw-la solum_fw-la in_o 1._o tim._n 3._o sed_fw-la etiam_fw-la scriptura_fw-la perspicue_n docet_fw-la tit._n 1._o act._n 20._o phil._n 1._o proinde_fw-la humani_fw-la instituti_fw-la sive_fw-la positivi_fw-la ut_fw-la vocant_fw-la juris_fw-la est_fw-la illa_fw-la sub_fw-la diversis_fw-la nominibus_fw-la munerum_fw-la distinctio_fw-la that_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n be_v the_o same_o in_o name_n and_o thing_n or_o office_n not_o only_o jerome_n on_o 1._o tim._n 3._o but_o the_o scripture_n also_o do_v evident_o teach_v tit._n 1._o act._n 20._o phil._n 1._o and_o therefore_o that_o distinction_n of_o the_o office_n under_o diverse_a name_n be_v of_o human_a institution_n as_o they_o call_v it_o or_o of_o positive_a right_n a_o fit_a lookingglass_n this_o have_v no_o doubt_n be_v to_o the_o same_o tilen_v when_o he_o write_v his_o paraenesis_n and_o change_v his_o note_n and_o likewise_o it_o be_v a_o fit_a look_a glass_n for_o this_o informer_n chap._n xvi_o the_o harmonious_a consent_n of_o ancient_a father_n modern_a divine_n and_o confession_n of_o reform_a church_n for_o presbyterian_a government_n in_o all_o its_o essential_a point_n of_o difference_n from_o prelacy_n be_v exhibit_v it_o be_v clear_a that_o presbyterian_a government_n the_o pure_a ancient_a and_o genuine_a government_n of_o this_o church_n in_o every_o essential_a ingredient_n of_o it_o as_o it_o stand_v in_o opposition_n to_o prelacy_n be_v approve_v by_o such_o a_o consent_n of_o antiquity_n and_o modern_a divine_n that_o it_o will_v take_v up_o almost_o as_o much_o room_n as_o this_o informer_n pamphlet_n to_o reckon_v up_o their_o name_n that_o we_o may_v present_v they_o in_o 〈◊〉_d compendious_a view_n take_v it_o thus_o 1._o that_o jure_fw-la divino_fw-la there_o be_v no_o difference_n betwixt_o a_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n have_v a_o very_a large_a consent_n of_o antiquity_n collect_v by_o many_o of_o the_o learned_a who_o testimony_n we_o may_v see_v in_o bishop_n jewel_n against_o hardin_n edit_n ann._n 1570._o p._n 243._o and_o reynolds_n in_o the_o forementioned_a epistle_n at_o large_a cite_v petry_n hist._n part_n 3._o p_o 469_o 470_o 471._o where_o there_o be_v exhibit_v a_o full_a consent_n both_o of_o the_o greek_a and_o latin_a father_n for_o this_o point_n of_o truth_n the_o doctor_n in_o his_o conference_n with_o hart_n hold_v that_o the_o precedent_n choose_v out_o at_o first_o to_o moderate_a be_v be_v who_o afterward_o the_o father_n call_v bishop_n and_o that_o the_o name_n bishop_n common_a to_o all_o minister_n be_v by_o they_o thus_o appropriate_v to_o this_o precedent_n next_o for_o modern_a writer_n the_o same_o dr_n reynolds_n tell_v we_o in_o the_o formentioned_a epistle_n that_o those_o who_o have_v labour_v about_o the_o reform_n of_o the_o church_n these_o 500_o year_n have_v teach_v that_o all_o pastor_n be_v they_o entitle_v bishop_n or_o priest_n have_v equal_a authority_n and_o power_n by_o god_n word_n cite_v the_o waldenses_n in_o aen._n silu._n hift_n of_o bohem._n chap._n 35._o pitch_n hierarch_n ecclesiast_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 10._o marsil_n patavin_n defence_n pacis_fw-la part_n 2._o cap._n 15._o wickleff_n in_o thom._n walden_n doct._n fil._n tom._n 1._o lib_n 2._o cap._n 60._o and_o tom_n 2._o cap_n 7._o and_o his_o scholar_n husse_v and_o the_o hussit_n aeneas_z silvius_z loccit_fw-la luther_n advers._fw-la falso_fw-la nomin_v scot_n epise_v &_o adversus_fw-la papat_fw-la rom._n calv._n in_o epist._n ad_fw-la phil._n tit._n 1._o erentius_fw-la apolog._n confess_v wittenberg_n cap._n 21_o bulinger_n decad._n 5._o serm_v 3._o musculus_fw-la loc._n com_n tit_n de_fw-la ministerio_fw-la verbi_fw-la then_o he_o add_v jewel_n pilkington_n dr._n humphrey_n in_o campian_n &_o duraeum_n jesuit_n part._n 2._o raâ—…_n 3._o whittak_n ad_fw-la rationes_fw-la campian_n 6._o &_o confut_n durae_fw-la like_o 6._o mr_n bradfoord_n lambert_n fox_n act._n mon._n fulk_n ansr._n to_o the_o rhemeflit_v to_o these_o may_v be_v add_v cartwright_n against_o the_o rhemist_n bishop_n bilson_n himself_o against_o seminartes_n lib._n 1._o p_o 318._o bishop_n morton_n in_o his_o catholic_n apology_n part._n 1._o cap._n 33._o erasmus_n upon_o 1_o tim._n 4._o to_o which_o add_v that_o in_o the_o oâ—…cumenick_n counâ—…les_v of_o constance_n &_o basile_n it_o be_v conclude_v that_o presbyter_n shall_v have_v decisive_a suffrage_n in_o council_n as_o well_o as_o bishop_n because_o that_o by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n bishop_n be_v not_o great_a than_o
prelacy_n this_o order_n be_v confound_v the_o chief_a officer_n of_o this_o church_n be_v the_o magistrate_n commissioner_n to_o church_n and_o state_n whereas_o church_n officer_n be_v give_v by_o christ_n as_o mediator_n to_o his_o church_n as_o a_o church_n 1_o cor._n 12_o ver._n 28._o 3._o the_o act_n of_o civil_a and_o ecclesiastic_a authority_n be_v thus_o confound_v spiritual_a church_n ruler_n act_n only_o in_o spiritual_a matter_n by_o god_n appointment_n and_o civil_a ruler_n there_o immediate_a proper_a act_n be_v only_o in_o matter_n civil_a but_o here_o church_n officer_n be_v parliament_n commissioner_n and_o civil_a ruler_n in_o the_o high_a commission_n do_v excommunicate_a again_o in_o the_o 2._o place_n this_o erastian_n prelacy_n confound_v these_o two_o power_n in_o their_o cause_n which_o be_v whole_o diverse_a 1._o the_o efficient_a cause_n be_v diverse_a god_n as_o creator_n be_v author_n of_o magistracy_n rom._n 13._o but_o christ_n as_o mediator_n appoint_v church_n government_n matt._n 28_o 18._o but_o here_o the_o magistrate_n qua_fw-la talis_fw-la be_v a_o suprem_a church_n ruler_n and_o thus_o be_v suppose_v to_o have_v his_o power_n from_o christ_n as_o mediator_n and_o head_n of_o his_o church_n which_o be_v one_fw-mi opinion_n full_o confute_v by_o those_o who_o havewritten_v against_o erastus_n particular_o mr_n gillespie_n in_o the_o aaron_n rod._n 2._o they_o differ_v in_o the_o material_a cause_n the_o matter_n on_o which_o the_o two_o power_n do_v act_n be_v diverse_a ecclesiastic_a power_n do_v act_n in_o the_o exercise_n of_o the_o key_n the_o administration_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n have_v this_o for_o its_o proper_a object_n and_o matter_n the_o civil_a power_n consist_v in_o the_o civil_a and_o secular_a sword_n the_o one_o reach_v the_o inward_a the_o othere_o the_o outward_a man_n but_o in_o this_o erastian_n prelacye_n the_o sword_n and_o key_n be_v make_v one_o promiscuous_o use_v and_o put_v into_o the_o same_o hand_n 3._o the_o two_o power_n differ_v in_o their_o formal_a cause_n the_o civil_a power_n be_v put_v forth_o in_o political_a punishment_n the_o ecclesiastic_a in_o spiritual_a censure_n but_o here_o the_o same_o power_n be_v the_o first_o radix_fw-la and_o fountain_n of_o spiritual_a censure_n and_o civil_a punishment_n and_o give_v they_o their_o formal_a essence_n and_o be_v as_o such_o final_o the_o proper_a immediate_a end_n of_o civil_a power_n be_v the_o temporal_a external_n political_a peace_n of_o the_o commonwealth_n rom._n 13._o 1_o 2._o 3._o but_o the_o proper_a end_n ofecclesiastick_a power_n be_v the_o church_n spirival_n good_a and_o edification_n as_o such_o matth._n 18._o 15._o 1_o cor._n 5._o 5._o 2._o cor._n 10._o 8._o and_o 13._o 10._o but_o here_o the_o magistrate_n quatalis_fw-la be_v the_o church_n head_n these_o end_n be_v confound_v these_o and_o several_a such_o like_a argument_n be_v make_v use_n of_o by_o our_o writer_n against_o erastus_n which_o do_v full_o evince_v the_o unlawfulness_n of_o this_o erastian_n prelacy_n whosoever_o shall_v peruse_v apollonius_n his_o jus_o majest_n circ_n sacr_n the_o jus_o div_o regim_n eccles_n the_o aaron_n rod_n wallaeus_fw-la against_o vtenbog_n and_o such_o like_a will_v find_v this_o abundant_o clear_a to_o shâ—…t_v up_o all_o with_o one_o word_n more_o there_o be_v these_o 3._o horrid_a absurdity_n in_o relation_n to_o church_n government_n which_o the_o premise_a mould_n of_o this_o erastian_n prelacy_n will_v necessary_o infer_v 1._o that_o a_o man_n may_v be_v bear_v not_o only_o a_o church_n member_n but_o a_o chief_a church_n ruler_n nay_o that_o a_o heathen_a and_o a_o man_n that_o never_o profess_v the_o true_a religion_n but_o life_n and_o die_v one_fw-mi ingraind_a enemy_n to_o it_o and_o so_o have_v neither_o mater_fw-la nor_o form_n of_o church_n membership_n may_v be_v a_o chieff_n church_n officer_n for_o his_o majesty_n present_a authority_n herine_n acknowledge_v by_o our_o prelate_n and_o which_o be_v the_o fountain_n of_o their_o power_n be_v the_o proper_a crown_n dignity_n of_o all_o that_o ever_o shall_v possess_v and_o wear_v it_o and_o so_o here_o be_v a_o monstrous_a church_n officer_n who_o 1._o have_v no_o qualification_n of_o any_o church_n officer_n who_o ever_o christ_n appoint_v 2._o a_o church_n officer_n who_o be_v not_o set_v in_o the_o church_n which_o be_v the_o essential_a mark_n of_o all_o church_n officer_n 1._o cor._n 12_o 28._o for_o that_o suppose_v he_o must_v be_v a_o church_n member_n a_o 2d_o absurdity_n be_v this_o that_o child_n and_o woman_n who_o may_v have_v a_o lawful_a lineal_a right_n to_o the_o croun_n may_v be_v church_n officer_n yea_o the_o fountain_n of_o our_o prelate_n authority_n and_o of_o all_o their_o underâ—…ings_n and_o the_o chieff_a governoure_n of_o this_o church_n and_o thus_o they_o who_o be_v forbid_v so_o much_o as_o to_o speak_v in_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v chieff_n church_n ruler_n and_o likeways_o such_o as_o have_v not_o the_o use_n of_o reason_n 1._o tim._n 3_o 5._o 1._o cor._n 14._o 34_o 35._o a_o 3d._a absurdity_n be_v that_o the_o church_n government_n upon_o earth_n may_v be_v monarchical_a and_o that_o one_o man_n may_v be_v her_o supreme_a head_n legislator_n and_o architectonick_a monarch_n and_o ruler_n for_o aquatenus_fw-la ad_fw-la omne_fw-la valet_fw-la consequentia_fw-la upon_o the_o same_o ground_n that_o the_o suprem_fw-mi civil_a ruler_n be_v chieff_n head_n and_o ruler_n over_o the_o church_n in_o his_o dominion_n the_o church_n in_o all_o other_o place_n be_v a_o body_n of_o the_o same_o nature_n shall_v the_o christian_a church_n be_v contract_v within_o his_o dominion_n he_o be_v her_o supreme_a universal_a head_n and_o it_o be_v so_o if_o his_o civil_a dominion_n shall_v be_v extend_v over_o all_o the_o church_n by_o this_o same_o reason_n of_o his_o headship_n over_o one_o he_o may_v be_v head_n over_o all_o and_o exercise_v one_fw-mi arbitrary_a at_o least_o a_o legislative_a power_n over_o all_o her_o ordinance_n and_o officer_n and_o if_o this_o will_v not_o clear_o set_v the_o pope_n treeple_n croun_n upon_o his_o head_n and_o disowne_v all_o that_o ever_o the_o protestant_n church_n have_v write_v and_o act_v against_o his_o blasphemous_a supremacy_n let_v common_a discretion_n judge_n ambrose_n epist_n 33._o ad_fw-la valentinianum_fw-la imperatorem_fw-la say_v noli_fw-la gravare_fw-la imperator_fw-la ut_fw-la pute_fw-la in_o ea_fw-la quae_fw-la divina_fw-la sunt_fw-la aliquod_fw-la imperiale_a jus_o habere_fw-la opliticorum_fw-la tibi_fw-la munerum_fw-la jus_o concessum_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la sacrorum_fw-la grieve_v not_o o_o emperor_n so_o as_o to_o think_v that_o you_o have_v any_o imperial_a authority_n over_o these_o thing_n which_o be_v divine_a the_o right_a or_o authority_n of_o political_a office_n be_v commit_v unto_o thou_o but_o not_o of_o sacred_a chap._n vii_o the_o informer_n deceitful_a shift_v and_o obscure_v the_o true_a state_n of_o the_o question_n anent_o episcopacy_n and_o flinch_v from_o the_o point_n debatable_a discover_v several_a way_n he_o decline_v a_o direct_a plead_n for_o prelate_n civil_a office_n yet_o offer_v some_o argument_n defence_n thereof_o wherein_o his_o prevarication_n and_o contradiction_n to_o himself_o be_v make_v appear_v to_o come_v now_o to_o examine_v what_o this_o new_a dialogist_n have_v produce_v in_o defence_n of_o the_o present_a prelacy_n establish_v among_o we_o and_o to_o examine_v his_o answer_n to_o our_o plea_n against_o it_o we_o shall_v not_o stand_v upon_o the_o trifle_a debate_n about_o the_o personal_a good_a quality_n of_o some_o that_o have_v be_v prelate_n with_o which_o he_o preface_v this_o dialogue_n it_o be_v altogether_o extrinsic_a to_o the_o question_n anent_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o office_n itself_o and_o will_v be_v no_o argument_n in_o our_o case_n against_o he_o as_o this_o man_n can_v but_o acknowledge_v else_o he_o must_v give_v up_o the_o cause_n upon_o his_o concession_n of_o the_o unquestionable_a eminent_a piety_n and_o integrity_n of_o many_o burn_a and_o shine_v light_n who_o have_v be_v the_o lord_n constant_a witness_n against_o prelacy_n that_o which_o be_v here_o main_o considerable_a be_v his_o prevarication_n in_o state_v the_o question_n anent_o prelacy_n viz._n whither_o the_o ancient_a bishope_n have_v a_o superiority_n over_o other_o minister_n wherein_o he_o utter_o â—…ches_v away_o from_o the_o point_n debeatable_a 1._o in_o make_v this_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n what_o bishopes_n be_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n whereas_o the_o true_a state_n of_o our_o question_n be_v whither_o the_o prelate_n now_o existent_a in_o this_o church_n be_v a_o scripture_n bishop_n and_o consonant_n thereunto_o or_o one_fw-mi officer_n appoint_v by_o christ_n in_o his_o house_n yea_o or_o not_o and_o not_o whither_o there_o have_v be_v bishop_n or_o such_o as_o we_o now_o have_v in_o the_o ancient_a church_n the_o question_n be_v not_o of_o the_o mater_fw-la of_o
and_o likeways_o in_o the_o very_a manner_n of_o these_o designation_n and_o their_o circumstance_n when_o atribut_n to_o such_o inferior_a officer_n do_v state_n the_o distinction_n betwixt_o they_o and_o one_fw-mi apostle_n in_o his_o proper_a acception_n clear_o hold_v out_o that_o they_o have_v neither_o name_n nor_o thing_n of_o the_o apostolic_a office_n proper_o so_o call_v but_o that_o minister_n be_v so_o improper_o only_o call_v bishop_n he_o will_v never_o prove_v but_o now_o what_o be_v his_o last_o shift_n it_o maybe_o say_v he_o their_o be_v no_o bishop_n settle_v as_o yet_o at_o philippie_a &_o so_o it_o may_v very_o well_o be_v but_o our_o informer_n here_o suppose_v two_o thing_n in_o question_n which_o he_o will_v prove_v ad_fw-la calendas_fw-la graecas_fw-la 1._o that_o their_o be_v bishop_n superior_a in_o office_n &_o degree_n to_o presbyter_n appointedby_o the_o apostle_n the_o first_o and_o second_o answer_n tell_v we_o of_o bishop_n he_o mean_v diocesian_a 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diocesian_a prelate_n which_o be_v the_o very_a quaesitum_fw-la &_o the_o thing_n in_o question_n 2._o he_o suppose_v that_o the_o bishop_n over_o presbyter_n the_o chimaera_n of_o his_o own_o brain_n though_o he_o be_v not_o settle_v at_o this_o time_n yet_o be_v to_o be_v settle_v afterward_o at_o philippi_n but_o how_o prove_v he_o that_o the_o apostle_n be_v to_o settle_v after_o ward_v such_o a_o prelate_n there_o this_o be_v another_o of_o their_o shift_n that_o the_o apostle_n first_o set_v up_o prebyter_n keep_v still_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n in_o their_o owned_a hand_n till_o at_o last_o towards_o their_o end_n they_o set_v up_o prelate_n commit_v the_o government_n to_o they_o but_o how_o do_v he_o or_o they_o prove_v this_o after-institution_n of_o the_o diocesian_a bishop_n we_o have_v already_o abundant_o evince_v the_o contrary_a both_o that_o the_o presbyter_n be_v the_o high_a ordinary_a officer_n establish_v by_o the_o apostle_n &_o that_o without_o any_o such_o fancy_a reserve_n as_o this_o be_v the_o whole_a power_n both_o of_o order_n &_o jurisdiction_n be_v commit_v to_o they_o &_o exercise_v by_o they_o &_o suppose_v by_o the_o apostle_n to_o continow_v so_o in_o their_o last_o farewelle_n to_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o may_v conclude_v that_o the_o bishop_n of_o philippi_n be_v mere_a presbyter_n and_o that_o paul_n acknowledge_v &_o know_v no_o other_o arnold_n in_o his_o lux_fw-la in_o tinebr_n on_o act._n 20._o 17._o he_o call_v the_o elder_n etc._n etc._n represent_v the_o orthodox_n opinion_n thus_o episcopos_fw-la &_o presbyteros_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n be_v not_o name_n of_o diverse_a gift_n in_o the_o church_n but_o of_o one_o and_o the_o same_o office_n because_o they_o who_o be_v here_o call_v presbyter_n verse_n 28._o be_v call_v bishop_n the_o papist_n object_n say_v he_o as_o this_o informer_n that_o in_o these_o time_n the_o name_n be_v common_a but_o yet_o the_o office_n of_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n diverse_a he_o answer_v 1._o this_o be_v to_o affirm_v not_o to_o prove_v 2._o when_o office_n be_v distinct_a there_o also_o the_o name_n be_v diverse_a 3._o there_o be_v one_o office_n both_o of_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n viz._n the_o office_n of_o teach_v 4._o upon_o the_o papist_n supposition_n there_o can_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v only_o one_o bishop_n in_o one_o city_n but_o so_o it_o be_v that_o there_o be_v here_o many_o therefore_o bishop_n signify_v presbyter_n thus_o arnold_n class_n our_o informer_n among_o the_o papist_n in_o this_o point_n and_o represent_v our_o principle_n as_o the_o orthodox_n principle_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n and_o so_o in_o several_a other_o passage_n as_o we_o may_v after_o show_v chamier_n de_fw-la oecum_fw-la pontif_n lib._n 10._o cap._n 3._o have_v represent_v the_o papist_n gloss_n upon_o matth._n 20_o 25_o the_o king_n of_o the_o gentile_n etc._n etc._n the_o same_o with_o our_o informer_n viz._n that_o our_o lord_n discharge_v only_o that_o sort_n of_o tyrannical_a domination_n &_o have_v answer_v and_o confute_v they_o as_o we_o hear_v junius_n and_o whittaker_n do_v before_o and_o have_v prefix_v to_o the_o 7._o chap._n this_o cirle_n a_o jure_fw-la divino_fw-la etc._n etc._n whether_o the_o bishop_n be_v great_a than_o the_o presbyter_n by_o divine_a right_n he_o represent_v the_o affirmative_a answer_n as_o beauty_n together_o with_o his_o argument_n and_o confut_v they_o and_o have_v prove_v presbyter_n power_n in_o ordination_n from_o their_o impose_v of_o hand_n upon_o timothy_n he_o afterward_o confut_v the_o papist_n &_o this_o informer_n pretence_n for_o prelacy_n from_o the_o government_n of_o the_o jewish_a church_n &_o the_o apostle_n superiority_n to_o the_o seventy_o disciple_n and_o adduce_v bellarmin_n argument_n from_o this_o passage_n act_n 20_o 28._o to_o prove_v that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n set_v up_o bishop_n he_o answer_v thus_o locus_fw-la exactis_fw-la 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