Selected quad for the lemma: opinion_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
opinion_n	church_n	heresy_n	heretical_a	602	5	10.5324	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A13298	A rejoynder to the reply published by the Iesuites vnder the name of William Malone. The first part. Wherein the generall answer to the challenge is cleared from all the Iesuites cavills	Synge, George, 1594-1653.	1632 (1632)	STC 23604; ESTC S118086	381,349	430

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but_o neither_o do_v augustine_n origen_n eusebius_n alexander_n b._n of_o alexandria_n athanasius_n cyrill_n b._n of_o jerusalem_n or_o philo_n carpathius_n etc._n etc._n who_o he_o urge_v 650_o urge_v reply_v pag_n 64_o &_o pag_n 650_o say_v any_o thing_n for_o the_o roman_a but_o for_o the_o catholic_a church_n to_o which_o they_o bear_v testimony_n that_o it_o can_v fail_v so_o that_o our_o jesuite_n fall_v under_o bellarmine_n censure_n who_o affirm_v that_o they_o do_v but_o trifle_v away_o the_o time_n who_o contend_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n can_v absolute_o fail_v because_o it_o be_v grant_v by_o the_o protestant_n themselves_o concedunt_fw-la themselves_o bellarm._n de_fw-fr ecclesia_fw-la mil_fw-mi l._n 3._o c._n 13._o notandum_fw-la autem_fw-la est_fw-la mulu●_n ex_fw-la nostris_fw-la tempus_fw-la 〈◊〉_d dum_fw-la probant_fw-la absolute_a ecclesiam_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la d●ficere_fw-la 〈◊〉_d cal●●●●_n &_o e●teri_fw-la 〈◊〉_d ●i_fw-la id_fw-la concedunt_fw-la which_o the_o jesuite_n know_v though_o dissemble_v after_o he_o have_v produce_v s._n chrysostome_n for_o the_o perpetuity_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n argue_v f●r_v she_o but_o what_o church_n do_v this_o holy_a father_n mean_v think_v you_o surely_n none_o other_o than_o peter_n church_n ●●_o church_n reply_v pag._n ●●_o etc._n etc._n peter_n churchy_n pro●_n nef●●_n be_v the_o church_n espouse_v to_o peter_n purchase_v by_o peter_n redeem_v by_o peter_n at_o antioth_n the_o church_n be_v first_o call_v christian_n 26._o christian_n act_n 1._o v._o 26._o which_o name_n it_o have_v retain_v and_o shall_v it_o loose_v its_o title_n and_o 〈◊〉_d now_o and_o be_v denominate_v from_o peter_n the_o spouse_n of_o christ_n the_o mystical_a body_n of_o christ_n the_o house_n of_o god_n the_o lord_n granary_n and_o 〈◊〉_d etc._n staple●_n relect_v count_v 1._o q._n ●_o be_v 1._o not_o 5_o ut_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la in_o uno_fw-la sensu_fw-la propter_fw-la internam_fw-la gratiam_fw-la ita_fw-la est_fw-la domus_fw-la magna_fw-la cheisti_fw-la ●st_a area_n &_o agre_z dominicus_fw-la in_o alio_fw-la sensu_fw-la propter_fw-la externam_fw-la collectionem_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o peter_n church_n be_v somewhat_o harsh_a chrysostome_n near_o give_v the_o church_n no_o such_o title_n only_o their_o poor_a forge_a cyrill_n have_v ecclesia_fw-la apostolica_fw-la petri_n a_o evidence_n answerable_a to_o the_o cause_n yet_o not_o convince_a for_o the_o same_o title_n may_v be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n of_o antioch_n but_o can_v the_o word_n of_o chrysostome_n stretch_v to_o the_o roman_a church_n ●et_z the_o jesuite_n show_v it_o if_o he_o be_v able_a that_o church_n whereof_o chrysostome_n speak_v be_v the_o church_n of_o christ_n not_o of_o peter_n that_o church_n whereof_o he_o be_v a_o pastor_n constituit_fw-la pastor_n chrys_n in_o mat_n hom●●●_n ecclesiae_fw-la futurae_fw-la pastorem_fw-la constituit_fw-la not_o a_o monarch_n the_o rock_n upon_o which_o it_o be_v build_v be_v not_o peter_n but_o christ_n believe_v &_o confess_v by_o peter_n confessionem_fw-la ibid._n et_fw-la super_fw-la hanc_fw-la petram_fw-la aedificabo_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la meam_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la fidem_fw-la atque_fw-la confessionem_fw-la peter_n have_v no_o gift_n give_v he_o to_o preserve_v this_o church_n from_o amid_o ●●erce_a assault_n and_o rage_a flood_n in_o this_o father_n opinion_n though_o the_o jesuite_n will_v persuade_v it_o but_o peter_n be_v confirm_v in_o his_o faith_n confess_v by_o this_o promise_n make_v that_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o the_o churchy_n neither_o have_v peter_n power_n give_v he_o to_o make_v the_o church_n invincible_a but_o to_o declare_v it_o monstravit_fw-la ibid_fw-la petrus_n ecclesiam_fw-la per_fw-la universum_fw-la orbem_fw-la amplificatam_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d validi●●●●_n monstravit_fw-la and_o as_o the_o father_n ground_n this_o privilege_n of_o the_o unspotted_a crucifix_n ●_o non_fw-fr enim_fw-la turbari_fw-la te_fw-la con_fw-mi ven●●_n cùm_fw-la audicris_fw-la quia_fw-la tratar_n &_o crucifix_n integrity_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n upon_o the_o promise_n of_o christ_n to_o peter_n matt_n 16._o so_o also_o they_o oftentimes_o deduce_v the_o same_o from_o the_o virtue_n of_o that_o prayer_n which_o christ_n make_v to_o his_o father_n for_o peter_n faith_n that_o it_o shall_v never_o fail_v luc_n 22._o wherein_o doubtless_o he_o be_v hear_v for_o his_o reverence_n heb._n 5._o 7._o ●●_o reply_v pag._n ●●_o there_o be_v no_o ground_n why_o the_o roman_a shall_v enjoy_v this_o privilege_n either_o from_o christ_n promise_n or_o his_o prayer_n &_o as_o the_o jesuite_n have_v fail_v in_o deduce_v any_o thing_n from_o the_o former_a so_o do_v he_o show_v his_o ability_n in_o this_o latter_a at_o his_o first_o entrance_n for_o first_o he_o bring_v in_o forge_a epistle_n under_o the_o name_n of_o lucius_n ●_o lucius_n bellarm._n l._n 2_o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n ●_o dare_v not_o affirm_v this_o epistle_n to_o be_v undoubted_a &_o it_o be_v dare_v gallo_n &_o volus●_n ano_fw-la cos●_n when_o as_o they_o be_v not_o consul_n at_o that_o time_n as_o appear_v by_o baron_n annal._n to_o ●_o a_o ●_o and_o felix_n 273._o felix_n the_o epistle_n be_v date_v claudio_n &_o paterno_n coss_n when_o as_o there_o be_v none_o such_o in_o his_o time_n baron_fw-fr ad_fw-la a●_n 273._o good_a bishop_n who_o will_v have_v 〈◊〉_d the_o pride_n that_o they_o be_v urge_v here_o to_o 〈…〉_o the_o rest_n he_o cite_v 〈◊〉_d good_a bishop_n we_o will_v not_o deny_v yet_o his_o goodness_n do_v not_o declare_v itself_o at_o all_o time_n when_o he_o speak_v of_o s._n peter_n or_o the_o roman_a church_n but_o his_o infirmity_n for_o as_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n both_o before_o and_o after_o he_o desire_v more_o than_o be_v fit_a so_o it_o will_v be_v no_o difficulty_n to_o show_v that_o they_o contend_v to_o justify_v their_o desire_n by_o unfit_a mean_n and_o 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square_a valeat_fw-la etc._n etc._n idem_fw-la c._n 12._o trans●o_o simoniacal_a a●●d_n papa●_n intercessione●_n patrocinia_fw-la ve●alia_fw-la corruptiones_fw-la aut_fw-la promotione●●●●pis●im●●_n &_o damna●is●●●s_n quae_fw-la omnes_fw-la ferè_fw-la istis_fw-la auctoribus_fw-la &_o suasoribus_fw-la ●i●bant_fw-la etc._n etc._n ne●_n enum●rare_fw-la volo_fw-la c●rum_fw-la adulteria_fw-la flupra_fw-la ●o●●ic●●●ones_fw-la quibus_fw-la romanam_fw-la curi●●●●●am_fw-la nu●●_n inc●●●ant_a etc._n etc._n ne●_n refero_fw-la vsuras_fw-la etc._n etc._n quâ_fw-la ex_fw-la causa_fw-la n●●mulario●_n supreme_a 〈…〉_o non_fw-it incongru●n●er_a ●o●_n quidam_fw-la vocant_fw-la and_o for_o their_o clergy_n how_o be_v they_o esteem_v among_o themselves_o aventine_n term_n they_o in_o his_o time_n great_a wolf_n lustful_a per_fw-la son_n adulterer_n ravisher_n of_o virgin_n and_o nun_n theive_v and_o usurper_n drone_n lecherous_a perfidious_a perjure_a ignorant_a ass_n wolf_n hypocrite_n narro_fw-la 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