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or_o lord_n who_o remain_v excommunicate_v for_o a_o whole_a year_n for_o neglect_v to_o purge_v their_o territory_n of_o heretical_a filth_n and_o thus_o much_o concern_v the_o apostle_n decree_n 22_o and_o the_o like_a also_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 5._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 179._o nu_fw-la 4._o 5._o may_v be_v say_v concern_v other_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n the_o impugner_n whereof_o have_v be_v hold_v and_o condemn_v by_o the_o church_n for_o heretic_n as_o for_o example_n it_o be_v decree_v 83._o decree_v baron_fw-fr a_o 159_o euseb_n lib._n 23._o cap._n 22._o 23._o 24_o &_o 25._o theod._n lib._n 1._o c._n 9_o athan._n in_o epist_n de_fw-fr synod_n arimin_n ambros_n epist_n 83._o by_o pope_n pius_n the_o first_o and_o confirm_v by_o pope_n victor_n and_o after_o by_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a that_o the_o feast_n of_o easter_n shall_v be_v celebrate_v at_o the_o same_o time_n that_o now_o it_o be_v keep_v universal_o throughout_o christendom_n according_a to_o 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his_o book_n he_o more_o often_o cit_v for_o his_o opinion_n than_o any_o other_o be_v flat_a against_o he_o etc._n etc._n 36_o but_o first_o it_o be_v not_o true_a that_o the_o principal_a question_n which_o be_v in_o controversy_n be_v whether_o the_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o the_o temporal_n of_o all_o christian_n be_v necessary_a to_o the_o church_n for_o her_o end_n which_o be_v the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n but_o the_o principal_a question_n &_o controversy_n be_v whether_o christ_n our_o saviour_n give_v authority_n to_o his_o church_n as_o it_o be_v a_o spiritual_a kingdom_n &_o consist_v only_o of_o spiritual_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporal_n and_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n to_o prove_v that_o christ_n give_v unto_o his_o church_n this_o power_n bring_v this_o for_o a_o reason_n because_o this_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporal_n be_v necessary_a to_o her_o spiritual_a end_n to_o wit_n the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n which_o reason_n i_o say_v be_v not_o 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also_o of_o lateran_n or_o at_o least_o wise_a pope_n innocent_a in_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n perceive_v that_o many_o sensual_a man_n be_v more_o afraid_a of_o sensible_a and_o temporal_a punishment_n then_o of_o spiritual_a therefore_o to_o withdraw_v they_o more_o easy_o from_o sin_n they_o command_v enjoin_v and_o impose_v by_o their_o spiritual_a authority_n as_o it_o be_v directive_a corporal_a and_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o sensual_a man_n do_v most_o abhor_v and_o also_o they_o inflict_v the_o same_o punishment_n not_o by_o their_o spiritual_a authority_n as_o it_o be_v coercive_v which_o be_v extend_v only_o as_o i_o have_v often_o say_v to_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n but_o by_o the_o temporal_a authority_n which_o they_o have_v receive_v from_o the_o express_a or_o tacit_a consent_n grant_v and_o privilege_n of_o temporal_a prince_n see_v that_o it_o be_v well_o know_v as_o i_o have_v relate_v elsewhere_o out_o of_o john_n gerson_n 4._o gerson_n de_fw-fr 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of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n or_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o this_o doctor_n himself_o it_o be_v commendable_a or_o lawful_a first_o to_o depose_v prince_n and_o to_o thrust_v they_o out_o of_o their_o kingdom_n and_o afterwards_o to_o excommunicate_v they_o and_o to_o declare_v they_o to_o be_v account_v as_o heathen_n and_o publican_n be_v like_o this_o doctor_n be_v persuade_v that_o all_o his_o idle_a conceit_n must_v go_v for_o a_o undoubted_a oracle_n but_o he_o be_v deceive_v for_o howsoever_o his_o favourite_n will_v applaud_v all_o his_o say_n esteem_v he_o as_o a_o other_o pythagoras_n yet_o other_o man_n will_v require_v of_o he_o a_o more_o sufficient_a reason_n than_o a_o bare_a ipse_fw-la dixit_fw-la 47._o last_o it_o be_v not_o true_a that_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n do_v first_o command_n that_o prince_n who_o favour_n heretic_n shall_v be_v excommunicate_v and_o afterward_o if_o this_o remedy_n do_v not_o avail_v their_o subject_n shall_v be_v 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dispensation_n or_o declaration_n of_o the_o pope_n or_o church_n be_v forthwith_o dissolve_v 28_o all_o these_o question_n the_o lord_n cardinal_n of_o peron_n do_v so_o cunning_o involve_v in_o his_o question_n touch_v the_o oath_n of_o france_n that_o if_o we_o descend_v to_o particular_n i_o can_v see_v either_o what_o opinion_n he_o do_v follow_v concern_v the_o depose_n of_o heretical_a prince_n or_o how_o his_o doctrine_n impugn_v our_o english_a oath_n although_o he_o will_v seem_v to_o disproove_v the_o same_o which_o only_o deny_v the_o pope_n authority_n to_o deprive_v the_o king_n majesty_n of_o his_o royal_a dignity_n and_o to_o absolve_v his_o subject_n from_o the_o civil_a bond_n of_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o do_v not_o meddle_v at_o all_o with_o the_o temporal_a authority_n which_o a_o kingdom_n or_o commonwealth_n have_v to_o depose_v their_o prince_n 29_o wherefore_o these_o word_n of_o the_o cardinal_n of_o peron_n affirm_v that_o not_o only_o all_o the_o other_o part_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n 15._o page_n 15._o but_o likewise_o all_o the_o doctor_n that_o live_v in_o france_n from_o the_o first_o set_v up_o of_o school_n of_o divinity_n among_o they_o have_v hold_v that_o in_o the_o case_n of_o heretical_a or_o infidel_n prince_n and_o such_o as_o persecute_v christianity_n or_o catholic_a religion_n their_o subject_n may_v be_v absolve_v from_o their_o oath_n of_o allegiance_n and_o again_o 63._o page_n 63._o say_v he_o cite_v widdrington_n in_o the_o margin_n the_o english_a writer_n who_o have_v put_v their_o hand_n to_o pen_n for_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o oath_n make_v by_o the_o present_a king_n of_o england_n against_o the_o pope_n have_v use_v all_o their_o endeavour_n to_o find_v some_o doctor_n and_o in_o particular_a french_a who_o have_v hold_v their_o opinion_n before_o these_o last_o trouble_n can_v hitherto_o bring_v forth_o never_o any_o one_o neither_o divine_a 65._o page_n 65._o nor_o lawyer_n who_o say_v that_o in_o case_n
19_o c._n 17._o &_o iuo_o p._n 15._o c._n 88_o vide_fw-la binium_fw-la tom_fw-mi 1._o council_n in_o notis_fw-la in_o council_n eliber_n &_o baron_fw-fr tom_fw-mi 2._o annal._n anno_fw-la 305._o in_o fine_a but_o also_o in_o time_n of_o lent_n and_o easter_n assign_v for_o the_o late_a ayeeres_n penance_n or_o to_o pay_v five_o and_o twenty_o shilling_n to_o the_o church_n or_o to_o the_o poor_a and_o in_o another_o canon_n they_o ordain_v that_o bishop_n and_o their_o minister_n 115._o minister_n burchard_n l._n 11._o c._n 67._o iuo_o p._n 14._o c._n 115._o may_v whip_v husbandman_n with_o rod_n for_o great_a crime_n to_o make_v they_o do_v penance_n against_o their_o will_n lest_o they_o may_v perish_v eternal_o in_o which_o canon_n as_o also_o in_o the_o former_a decree_n of_o the_o pope_n callixtus_n and_o vrbanus_n the_o penalty_n impose_v be_v mere_a temporal_a albeit_o there_o be_v not_o then_o as_o i_o have_v say_v any_o christian_a prince_n to_o ratify_v the_o same_o 54_o but_o this_o proof_n also_o be_v as_o insufficient_a as_o the_o former_a first_o for_o that_o many_o learned_a man_n as_o the_o reader_n may_v see_v in_o binnius_n to_o who_o mr._n fitzherbert_n remit_v he_o do_v reject_v this_o council_n and_o account_v it_o erroneous_a for_o decree_a certain_a error_n so_o melchior_n canus_n 9_o canus_n l._n 5._o de_fw-la locis_fw-la c._n 4._o bellar._n l._n 2._o de_fw-la imaginib_fw-la c._n 9_o and_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o although_o baronius_n cite_v also_o by_o binnius_n excuse_v the_o father_n of_o that_o council_n yet_o for_o that_o they_o seem_v in_o diverse_a of_o their_o decree_n to_o favour_v the_o error_n of_o novatian_n which_o be_v displease_v to_o their_o successor_n his_o opinion_n be_v that_o there_o be_v no_o mention_n make_v by_o name_n of_o this_o synod_n by_o ancient_a writer_n and_o so_o it_o do_v remain_v almost_o abolish_v and_o yet_o my_o adversary_n will_v from_o this_o council_n bring_v forsooth_o a_o convince_a 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of_o city_n and_o other_o place_n if_o they_o neglect_v to_o help_v the_o church_n against_o heretic_n be_v deprive_v of_o their_o honour_n 15_o nevertheless_o these_o canon_n wherein_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v ordain_v for_o that_o they_o be_v make_v by_o sacred_a spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a person_n though_o not_o by_o sacred_a spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a but_o by_o temporal_a and_o civil_a authority_n grant_v they_o by_o the_o privilege_n gift_n or_o consent_v of_o temporal_a prince_n may_v be_v call_v sacred_a ecclesiastical_a and_o apostolical_a canon_n 4._o gerson_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la eccles_n consider_v 4._o according_a to_o that_o which_o i._n gerson_n write_v that_o there_o be_v some_o of_o opinion_n that_o excommunication_n be_v the_o last_o punishment_n which_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n by_o the_o first_o institution_n of_o christ_n can_v inflict_v so_o that_o it_o be_v not_o extend_v to_o imprisonment_n nor_o that_o any_o man_n be_v adjudge_v to_o death_n or_o corporal_a whip_n but_o when_o the_o ecclesiastical_a judge_n do_v this_o he_o do_v it_o by_o the_o grant_n of_o prince_n as_o the_o clergy_n by_o the_o devotion_n of_o prince_n have_v receive_v great_a authority_n of_o temporal_a jurisdiction_n which_o jurisdiction_n or_o censure_n be_v nevertheless_o call_v spiritual_a as_o also_o the_o temporal_a good_n of_o ecclesiastical_a person_n be_v call_v spiritual_a because_o they_o be_v dedicate_v and_o apply_v to_o they_o who_o serve_v the_o church_n as_o also_o the_o bread_n of_o proposition_n the_o first_o fruit_n the_o tithe_n also_o the_o vessel_n of_o the_o temple_n the_o vestment_n and_o such_o like_a be_v in_o the_o old_a law_n call_v sacred_a or_o holy_a so_o also_o the_o new_a law_n do_v observe_v the_o same_o thus_o gerson_n 16_o three_o the_o gloss_n itself_o do_v teach_v say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n publicat_fw-la fitzherbert_n pag._n 167._o num_fw-la 6._o glossa_fw-la in_o verb._n publicat_fw-la that_o by_o the_o former_a decree_n the_o church_n do_v ordain_v the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n and_o deposition_n from_o dignity_n say_v hìc_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la publicat_fw-la bona_fw-la laicorum_fw-la &_o quandoque_fw-la deponit_fw-la à _fw-la dignitatibus_fw-la here_o the_o church_n do_v confiscate_v the_o good_n of_o layman_n and_o sometime_o depose_v from_o dignity_n thus_o say_v the_o gloss_n here_o which_o widdrington_n whole_o dissemble_v because_o it_o make_v flat_o against_o he_o and_o he_o take_v hold_v as_o it_o seem_v of_o the_o word_n immediate_o follow_v though_o he_o do_v not_o allege_v they_o the_o word_n be_v well_fw-mi dic_fw-la etc._n etc._n or_o say_v that_o the_o church_n teach_v here_o what_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v wherein_o it_o can_v be_v with_o reason_n imagine_v that_o the_o gloss_n contradict_v the_o former_a interpretation_n see_v that_o it_o teach_v also_o in_o many_o other_o place_n that_o the_o church_n may_v and_o do_v use_v to_o impose_v temporal_a penalty_n by_o confiscation_n of_o good_n imprisonment_n infamy_n and_o banishment_n as_o it_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o gloss_n paenis_fw-la lib._n detret_fw-la cap._n licet_fw-la tit_n de_fw-fr paenis_fw-la upon_o 17._o q._n 4._o attendendum_fw-la est_fw-la 16._o q._n 1._o statuimus_fw-la 27._o q._n 4._o quisquis_fw-la and_o upon_o the_o decree_n licet_fw-la tit_n de_fw-fr poenis_fw-la where_o the_o gloss_n affirm_v express_o that_o if_o the_o law_n do_v ordain_v only_o a_o spiritual_a punishment_n or_o a_o corporal_a the_o judge_n can_v change_v it_o into_o another_o except_o he_o can_v dispense_v in_o the_o crime_n commit_v and_o that_o when_o the_o law_n determine_v nothing_o concern_v the_o penalty_n of_o the_o crime_n it_o be_v leave_v to_o the_o will_n of_o the_o judge_n whether_o he_o will_v impose_v a_o pecuniary_a penalty_n or_o any_o other_o and_o last_o when_o the_o judge_n can_v dispense_v touch_v the_o crime_n he_o may_v inflict_v a_o penalty_n of_o or_o some_o other_o thus_o say_v the_o gloss_n 17_o but_o first_o it_o be_v not_o true_a as_o you_o have_v see_v above_o that_o i_o either_o omit_v to_o allege_v the_o second_o answer_n of_o the_o gloss_n upon_o the_o canon_n hadrianus_n see_v that_o it_o be_v all_o one_o with_o that_o which_o i_o do_v allege_v upon_o the_o canon_n delatori_fw-la to_o which_o the_o gloss_n remit_v himself_o for_o his_o second_o answer_n or_o that_o i_o dissemble_v the_o first_o answer_n of_o the_o gloss_n which_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n do_v ordain_v the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n see_v that_o i_o only_o intend_v to_o bring_v there_o those_o answer_n of_o the_o gloss_n which_o make_v for_o my_o doctrine_n and_o not_o those_o which_o make_v against_o it_o as_o if_o a_o man_n intend_v only_o to_o set_v down_o author_n who_o favour_n any_o one_o opinion_n may_v without_o any_o dissimulation_n omit_v to_o relate_v those_o author_n who_o be_v against_o it_o 18_o second_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o mr._n fitzherbert_n can_v be_v so_o ignorant_a as_o to_o conceive_v that_o the_o gloss_n do_v then_o contradict_v
delatori_fw-la 28_o but_o this_o have_v be_v at_o large_a already_o answer_v and_o first_o that_o albeit_o the_o former_a gloss_n do_v acknowledge_v that_o the_o church_n do_v by_o this_o canon_n ordain_v the_o confiscation_n of_o layman_n good_n and_o deprivation_n of_o their_o dignity_n which_o be_v also_o confirm_v by_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o the_o former_a gloss_n do_v not_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o church_n do_v ordain_v this_o by_o that_o authority_n which_o she_o have_v receive_v from_o christ_n and_o not_o from_o the_o grant_n and_o privilege_n of_o christian_a prince_n whereof_o only_o we_o now_o dispute_v second_o that_o those_o word_n of_o the_o former_a gloss_n confiscate_v and_o depose_v may_v well_o be_v understand_v in_o that_o sense_n wherein_o the_o same_o glosser_n expound_v the_o word_n depose_v in_o the_o canon_n alius_fw-la 15._o q._n 6._o and_o so_o as_o i_o show_v before_o the_o late_a gloss_n do_v not_o contradict_v the_o former_a but_o it_o be_v rather_o a_o explication_n thereof_o and_o three_o that_o albeit_o we_o shall_v grant_v that_o the_o late_a gloss_n or_o exposition_n be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o former_a yet_o it_o be_v no_o absurdity_n for_o the_o same_o glosser_n or_o expositour_n to_o bring_v two_o contrary_a gloss_n or_o exposition_n when_o they_o be_v ground_v upon_o the_o contrary_a opinion_n of_o learned_a author_n which_o may_v without_o any_o error_n or_o absurdity_n be_v follow_v as_o i_o declare_v above_o by_o diverse_a example_n 29_o and_o therefore_o we_o must_v distinguish_v say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 8._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 169._o nu_fw-la 8._o betwixt_o the_o canon_n and_o the_o execution_n thereof_o and_o say_v that_o when_o he_o affirm_v in_o the_o former_a gloss_n that_o the_o church_n teach_v there_o what_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v and_o again_o in_o the_o late_a that_o the_o church_n teach_v what_o the_o secular_a judge_n ought_v to_o do_v he_o speak_v only_o as_o the_o very_a word_n import_v of_o the_o execution_n of_o these_o two_o canon_n give_v also_o to_o understand_v that_o the_o execution_n of_o penal_a law_n do_v belong_v sometime_o to_o the_o secular_a judge_n and_o not_o to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a especial_o in_o case_n touch_v life_n and_o death_n or_o effusion_n of_o blood_n albeit_o in_o many_o other_o case_n the_o ecclesiastical_a judge_n may_v not_o only_o ordain_v but_o also_o execute_v pecuniary_a and_o other_o temporal_a penalty_n in_o which_o respect_n the_o council_n of_o trent_n which_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n if_o he_o be_v a_o catholic_a as_o he_o pretend_v to_o be_v must_v needs_o admit_v for_o a_o lawful_a council_n decree_v that_o ecclesiastical_a judge_n shall_v abstain_v from_o censure_n when_o they_o may_v by_o their_o own_o authority_n proceed_v against_o the_o delinquent_n by_o real_a or_o personal_a execution_n so_o as_o i_o will_v conclude_v that_o these_o gloss_n which_o widdrington_n allege_v either_o do_v make_v nothing_o against_o we_o or_o if_o they_o do_v they_o do_v manifest_o contradict_v as_o well_o themselves_o as_o other_o gloss_n and_o many_o express_a canon_n and_o the_o doctrine_n of_o all_o learned_a canonist_n yea_o the_o whole_a course_n and_o continual_a practice_n of_o the_o canon_n law_n 30_o but_o first_o as_o no_o man_n make_v doubt_v but_o that_o we_o must_v distinguish_v betwixt_o canon_n or_o law_n and_o the_o execution_n thereof_o so_o also_o no_o doubt_n can_v be_v make_v but_o that_o the_o prince_n or_o lawmaker_n either_o spiritual_a or_o temporal_a who_o have_v authority_n to_o make_v the_o canon_n or_o law_n have_v also_o authority_n to_o execute_v the_o same_o for_o that_o the_o executioner_n of_o the_o law_n be_v a_o mere_a minister_n and_o officer_n of_o the_o prince_n who_o enact_v the_o law_n and_o what_o he_o do_v he_o do_v not_o by_o his_o own_o authority_n but_o by_o the_o authority_n commit_v to_o he_o by_o the_o prince_n and_o therefore_o whatsoever_o a_o prince_n 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be_v a_o great_a disparity_n betwixt_o
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