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on_o all_o christian_n and_o her_o own_o infallibility_n for_o the_o first_o of_o they_o num._n 9_o the_o same_o i_o can_v as_o free_o affirm_v of_o all_o other_o national_a church_n that_o i_o know_v of_o confine_v my_o discourse_n still_o to_o the_o small_a yet_o in_o the_o apostle_n opinion_n sufficient_a number_n of_o head_n of_o special_a force_n to_o the_o plant_n of_o christian_a life_n through_o the_o world_n num._n 10_o and_o so_o as_o this_o gentleman_n be_v much_o disappoint_v in_o his_o expectation_n that_o i_o shall_v not_o be_v able_a to_o name_v any_o church_n that_o have_v not_o betray_v the_o trust_n deposit_v so_o i_o must_v profess_v to_o he_o i_o think_v it_o as_o reasonable_a that_o they_o that_o agree_v in_o believe_v and_o conserve_n those_o few_o precious_a head_n of_o truth_n design_v to_o so_o glorious_a a_o end_n as_o be_v the_o people_n a_o world_n with_o a_o peculiar_a colony_n of_o inhabitant_n all_o uniform_o zealous_a of_o good_a work_n shall_v all_o 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sober_a christian_n to_o consider_v and_o if_o he_o judge_v not_o as_o i_o do_v yet_o i_o shall_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d number_n it_o among_o the_o prodigy_n of_o the_o age_n or_o indeed_o think_v stranger_n of_o it_o than_o i_o have_v long_o do_v of_o the_o great_a distance_n betwixt_o reason_n and_o passion_n in_o the_o same_o sort_n of_o creature_n man_n and_o god_n know_v too_o oft_o in_o the_o same_o individual_a creature_n the_o same_o man_n and_o christian_n num._n 12_o have_v go_v thus_o far_o in_o ready_a obedience_n to_o this_o gentleman_n light_a intimation_n of_o his_o pleasure_n in_o satisfaction_n to_o his_o first_o demand_n i_o shall_v in_o the_o same_o humour_n proceed_v without_o all_o reserve_n to_o the_o next_o doubt_v as_o little_a as_o he_o but_o that_o these_o few_o thing_n all_o justice_n must_v allow_v our_o discourse_n to_o he_o coherent_a and_o so_o to_o adhere_v to_o the_o same_o subject_n with_o which_o we_o begin_v have_v be_v preserve_v in_o 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have_v my_o word_n put_v upon_o the_o rack_n as_o grotius_n have_v be_v to_o extort_v a_o more_o explicit_a confession_n from_o they_o sect._n iii_o submission_n without_o opinion_n of_o infallibility_n the_o appeal_n to_o the_o father_n of_o the_o first_o 300_o year_n and_o the_o four_o general_a conncel_n to_o what_o it_o belong_v the_o silence_n of_o the_o first_o time_n no_o advantage_n to_o the_o romanist_n two_o question_n of_o additament_n to_o faith_n the_o way_n of_o debate_v each_o of_o they_o num._n 1_o his_o last_o exception_n to_o this_o chapter_n be_v to_o our_o profession_n of_o humility_n and_o temper_n which_o it_o seem_v those_o of_o our_o religion_n must_v not_o be_v permit_v to_o assume_v to_o themselves_o and_o which_o i_o be_v no_o far_o so_o insolent_a to_o assume_v than_o as_o it_o be_v observable_a in_o the_o peculiarity_n of_o the_o frame_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n reformation_n thus_o num._n 2_o i_o can_v but_o admire_v indeed_o the_o great_a 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be_v deceive_v and_o there_o i_o acknowledge_v infallibility_n upon_o this_o ground_n whether_o of_o nature_n or_o of_o grace_n of_o common_a dictate_v or_o of_o religion_n that_o it_o be_v impossible_a for_o god_n to_o lie_v to_o deceive_v or_o to_o be_v deceive_v but_o that_o the_o whole_a canon_n of_o scripture_n as_o it_o be_v deliver_v to_o we_o by_o the_o laodicean_n council_n be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n though_o i_o full_o believe_v this_o also_o and_o have_v not_o the_o least_o doubt_n to_o any_o part_n of_o it_o yet_o i_o account_v not_o myself_o infallible_a in_o this_o belief_n nor_o can_v any_o church_n that_o affirm_v the_o same_o unless_o they_o be_v otherwise_o privilege_v by_o god_n be_v infallible_a in_o affirm_v it_o nor_o any_o that_o believe_v that_o church_n be_v infallible_a in_o their_o belief_n and_o as_o that_o privilege_n be_v not_o yet_o prove_v by_o any_o donation_n of_o god_n to_o belong_v to_o any_o church_n particular_o to_o the_o roman_a so_o till_o it_o be_v prove_v and_o prove_v infallible_o it_o can_v be_v no_o competent_a medium_n to_o induce_v any_o new_a act_n of_o infallible_a belief_n the_o want_n of_o which_o may_v denominate_v we_o either_o heretic_n or_o schismatics_n num._n 40_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n this_o be_v certain_a that_o i_o that_o do_v not_o pretend_v to_o believe_v any_o thing_n infallible_o in_o this_o matter_n not_o so_o much_o as_o that_o the_o church_n be_v not_o infallible_a must_v yet_o be_v acknowledge_v to_o believe_v her_o fallible_a or_o else_o i_o can_v not_o by_o this_o gentleman_n be_v adjudge_v a_o schismatic_a for_o so_o believe_v and_o then_o this_o suppose_v that_o i_o may_v believe_v what_o in_o his_o opinion_n i_o believe_v untrue_o that_o sure_o be_v that_o i_o may_v believe_v what_o i_o do_v not_o believe_v infallible_o the_o matter_n be_v visible_a i_o can_v think_v fit_a to_o enlarge_v on_o it_o num._n 41_o one_o thing_n only_o i_o must_v far_o take_v notice_n of_o the_o ground_n which_o he_o here_o have_v on_o which_o he_o find_v his_o exception_n against_o the_o solidity_n of_o my_o discourse_n call_v it_o my_o great_a evidence_n that_o we_o that_o do_v not_o acknowledge_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v infallible_a may_v be_v allow_v to_o make_v certain_a supposition_n that_o follow_v there_o num._n 42_o the_o matter_n in_o that_o place_n chap._n ii_o sect._n 12._o lie_n thus_o in_o examine_v the_o nature_n of_o schism_n i_o have_v occasion_n to_o mention_v one_o not_o real_a but_o fiction_n of_o case_n suppose_v first_o that_o our_o ancestor_n have_v criminous_o separate_v from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o suppose_v second_o that_o we_o their_o posterity_n repent_v and_o desire_v to_o reform_v their_o sin_n and_o to_o be_v reunite_v to_o they_o yet_o suppose_v three_o that_o they_o shall_v require_v to_o our_o reunion_n any_o condition_n which_o be_v unlawful_a for_o we_o to_o perform_v in_o this_o conjuncture_n i_o say_v we_o can_v not_o just_o be_v charge_v for_o continue_v that_o separation_n num._n 43_o this_o fiction_n of_o case_n i_o can_v not_o think_v have_v any_o weak_a part_n in_o it_o for_o as_o it_o suppose_v that_o on_o one_o side_n which_o i_o know_v a_o romanist_n will_v not_o grant_v viz_o that_o they_o shall_v require_v any_o condition_n unlawful_a for_o we_o to_o perform_v so_o it_o suppose_v on_o the_o other_o side_n that_o which_o we_o can_v no_o way_n grant_v viz_o that_o our_o ancestor_n criminous_o separate_v but_o this_o i_o know_v be_v ordinary_a to_o be_v do_v in_o fiction_n of_o case_n suppositio_fw-la non_fw-la ponit_fw-la be_v the_o acknowledge_a rule_n my_o suppose_v either_o of_o these_o be_v not_o the_o take_v they_o for_o grant_v and_o yet_o after_o all_o this_o i_o foresee_v that_o objection_n that_o the_o romanist_n who_o acknowledge_v not_o any_o such_o hard_a condition_n require_v to_o our_o reconciliation_n will_v conceive_v this_o a_o impossible_a case_n and_o to_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o we_o that_o acknowledge_v not_o their_o church_n to_o be_v infallible_a may_v be_v allow_v to_o make_v a_o supposition_n mean_v as_o before_o a_o fiction_n of_o case_n which_o be_v found_v in_o the_o possibility_n of_o her_o insert_v some_o error_n in_o her_o confession_n and_o make_v the_o acknowledgement_n of_o it_o the_o indispensable_a condition_n of_o her_o communion_n what_o i_o have_v offend_v herein_o i_o can_v imagine_v for_o 1._o i_o only_o set_v a_o fiction_n of_o case_n do_v not_o take_v their_o infallibility_n for_o a_o thing_n confest_o false_a nor_o in_o that_o place_n so_o much_o as_o dispute_v against_o it_o only_o i_o say_v that_o which_o be_v sufficient_o know_v before_o i_o say_v it_o that_o their_o infallibility_n be_v not_o acknowledge_v by_o we_o and_o so_o that_o her_o insert_v some_o error_n in_o her_o confession_n be_v to_o we_o i_o e._n in_o our_o opinion_n a_o thing_n possible_a and_o so_o for_o disputation_n sake_n supposable_a in_o the_o same_o manner_n as_o i_o suppose_v that_o which_o i_o be_o know_v not_o to_o believe_v and_o if_o this_o gentleman_n be_v thus_o severe_a i_o shall_v despair_v to_o approve_v my_o discourse_n to_o he_o num._n 44_o second_o that_o i_o make_v it_o my_o great_a evidence_n be_v not_o with_o any_o appearance_n of_o reason_n suggest_v by_o he_o it_o come_v in_o mere_o as_o a_o incidentall_a last_o branch_n the_o least_o necessary_a most_o unconsiderable_a of_o any_o and_o that_o which_o may_v have_v be_v spare_v then_o or_o leave_v out_o now_o without_o any_o weaken_n of_o or_o disturb_v the_o discourse_n num._n 45_o three_o whereas_o he_o add_v that_o i_o proceed_v to_o make_v certain_a supposition_n that_o follow_v there_o this_o be_v still_o of_o the_o same_o strain_n i_o make_v but_o one_o supposition_n viz_o in_o case_n she_o make_v any_o unlawful_a act_n the_o indispensable_a condition_n of_o her_o communion_n and_o that_o one_o certain_o be_v not_o in_o the_o plural_a more_o or_o indefinite_o certain_a supposition_n num._n 46_o that_o i_o put_v this_o one_o case_n as_o possible_a and_o then_o proceed_v to_o consider_v what_o be_v by_o the_o principle_n acknowledge_v by_o all_o particular_o by_o mr._n knot_n to_o be_v do_v in_o that_o one_o case_n be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o strict_a law_n of_o discourse_n which_o i_o have_v meet_v with_o and_o if_o in_o compliance_n with_o this_o gentleman_n i_o must_v deny_v myself_o such_o liberty_n and_o yet_o yield_v he_o so_o much_o great_a on_o the_o other_o side_n if_o i_o must_v at_o the_o begin_n of_o a_o defence_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v require_v to_o grant_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n infallible_a i._n e._n to_o yield_v not_o only_o that_o she_o speak_v all_o truth_n but_o also_o that_o it_o be_v impossible_a she_o shall_v speak_v any_o thing_n but_o truth_n who_o yet_o by_o enter_v on_o this_o theme_n i_o undertake_v to_o contradict_v and_o to_o prove_v injurious_a in_o censure_v we_o for_o 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