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A42386 A brief examination of the present Roman Catholick faith contained in Pope Pius his new creed, by the Scriptures, antient fathers and their own modern writers, in answer to a letter desiring satisfaction concerning the visibility of the protestant church and religion in all ages, especially before Luther's time. Gardiner, Samuel, 1619 or 20-1686. 1689 (1689) Wing G244; ESTC R29489 119,057 129

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