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A73011	Looke beyond Luther: or An ansvvere to that question, so often and so insultingly proposed by our aduersaries, asking vs; where this our religion was before Luthers time? VVhereto are added sound props to beare vp honest-hearted Protestants, that they fall not from their sauing-faith. By Richard Bernard, of Batcombe in Sommersetshire.	Bernard, Richard, 1568-1641.	1623 (1623)	STC 1956.3; ESTC S123041	43,757	64

perfection or of merit but to beleeue the forgiuenesse of sinnes And in reading the Law truly vnderstood it doth cause a mans conscience euen in the best to acknowledge himselfe guiltie I might here goe thorow many other points which they teach to which from either plaine Scriptures or from the Catechisme or from these considerations thou maist make answere in thine owne defence But yet for all this though thou also hast gotten helpe to stand for thy selfe beware of Seducers run not easily into disputes with them but rather put them ouer to learned men to be answered It is not good for Eue for to fall into conference with the subtill Serpent Be bold vpon these grounds with ordinarie Papists if they will attempt to set vpon thee but consider thy abilitie presume not aboue thy measure continue in Gods Word and the Lord will vphold thee To whose blessed guide and Fatherly protection I commit thee Pray we all continually FINIS 1. Cor. 2.11 1. Cor. 2.14 Rom. 8.7 Verse 5. * Origen vpon Numb Tertul. de resur Carnis Epiphaen de Haeres lib. 1. cap. 23 24 38. Irae li. 1. cap. 23. Tertul. de praescript A●bana orat 2. contra Arianos Ier. 36. 2. Thes 2. In the Popes Bull before the Catechisme of the Councell of Trent a De Eccles pa. 308. b Apol. Catho cap. 66. c Lib. de Antichrist c. 24. d In his second pillar of Pop. e Against Hart. cap. 8. diuis 4. pa. 567.568.569 572. f Ca. 1. vers 25. pa. 200 Lib. de Antichr cap. 6. to cap. 33. Lib. de eccles cont 2. quaest 5. pa. 300. 308. Obiect Answ Obiect Answ De continu statu Ecclesiae See Doct. Hall his peace of Rome In his Symphonia Cathol In his reformed Catholike Cambden in Brit. p 40.157 * Harison before Hollins Chron. Midleton in his Papistomastix pag 202. See the Protestants Apol. vnder Brerelys name Brerely his Appeale Trac 1. Sect. 2. pag. 69. Beda histor lib. 2. cap. 2. Beda lib. 2. ca. 4. Bish Vshers letter pag. 80.81.82.83 Galfridus Monumentisis Centur 6 p. 689. Beda lib. 3. Hist cap. 3.6 Ibi. c. 21.22.24 Bish Vsher in his late Epistle added to Sir Chr. Sybthorps booke Se Archb. Parker his booke de anti Brit. cap. 18. Se Bishop Morton his Catholike Appeale lib. 1. cap. 2. sect 8. pag. 11. Ibidem lib. 1. ca. 12. sec 1.2 See Catol Test veritat pag. 26. to 69. last edition 1608. See the Epist in the booke of the Lawes of the Saxon Kings in the Saxons language Also in Fox Acts and Monum fol. 69. For the authoritie of this Epistle I take it as they approue of it a witnesse good against themselues See for all these in Cat. Test verit lib. 6. p. 558. See for these Bish Mortons Catho Appeal l. 1. c. 2.3.4.4 Doct. Feild of the Church b. 5. cap. 34 Catol Test verit lib. 1. p. 93. See his Epistle before named Ier. 6.14 The Papist cannot make a true Catalogue from Christ of their present Religion What to demand of them and to presse them vnto What are the things which in their Catalogue from Christ they must proue those in the first Age to haue maintained Protestants are of the Catholike Church though no Romanists In Can. 3. de bapt Part. 1. Act. 9. cap 10. q. 8. What sorts are out of the Church Protestants no Heretikes In his booke of equiuocation Part. 1. Art 9. cap. 10. q. 1. Protestants hold no impious opinions condemned for heresie Protestants are not conuicted of obstinacie See the Historie of the Councell of Trent Protestants do not neglect the authority of the Catholike Church Protestants are no Schismatikes Eph. 3.20 Let them answer the books which prooue her the great Whore Babylon and the Pope Antichrist if any denie these things In summa part 2. cap. 39. de Schismate Reuel 18.4 See for these Catal. Test verit pa. 27. to 70. in the last Edition 2. Ch. 11.13 14 Protestants not excommunicate persons How a man must be qualified which wil continue in the truth Prou. 1. 2. Thes 2.10 11 12. Ioh. 7.17 Iam. 1.5 Luk. 11.13 By what helpes to oppose the aduersaries Plaine Scriptures Aug. l. 2. de doct Chr. cap. 6. Chrysost 3. hom in 2. Thes Lib. 4. de verbo Dei non scripto cap. 11. The parts of the Catechisme Nine considerations Obserue two things in the aduersaries dealing with thee Three things beyond ordinarie mens capacitie which they must take heed they be not deceiued by Ordinarie me● cannot iudge of Councels and why Not of the allegation of Fathers and why Not of the allegation of the Churches custome and why Against the Popes headship Against his vnerring spirit Against transubstantiation Exod. 4.3 7.10 20 21 24. 8.17 Ioh. 2.9 10. Luke 24.39 The euill of the doctrine of transubstantiation Against Purgatorie Against Images and their worship Against praying to Saints Matth. 6. Against the Romanists condemning all that are not of their Church Against their vrging as necesary to make a Catalogue of our professors in all Ages Against their error of veniall sinnes Against mans power to doe well Against their error of mans abilitie to fulfil the Law

To hold seuen Sacraments that Baptisme is to bee administred with hallowed Water with Chrysme Salt Spittle Coniuring and other deuices IV. To beleeue that the Priest may receiue the Sacrament alone and yet many other Christians to be there present looking on that the Bread without the Cup is to bee giuen to the people that after the words of consecration the Bread is turned into the very naturall body of Christ the accidents of Bread and Wine onely remaining but not the substance that it is to be adored and prayed vnto and to be carried about in Procession that it is to bee administred with such varietie of garments alterations of gestures and change of voyce that it is a propitiatorie sacrifice for the quicke and the dead V. To make prayer to administer the Sacraments and to say all diuine Seruice in an vnknowne Tongue to say the Creed amongst Prayers the Aue Marie as a prayer with the Pater noster vpon Beades with Crosses and that to a certaine number repeating the Aue Marie fortie times and the Pater noster foure times with a Creed at the end that many thus praying though they vnderstand not the words which they vtter yet hauing a good intent they do a work pleasing to God VI. To hold the Church of Rome to bee the Mother Church the onely One Holy Catholike and Apostolike Church that it could not erre and that all which should not beleeue euer as it beleeueth should not bee held for sound Christians and such as should not submit to her authoritie to be held Heretikes VII To hold the Pope of Rome to bee Christs Vicar and Peters successor that all should depend vpon him as vpon their Head that he as Pope cannot erre è Cathedrâ that to him as of right belongeth the spirituall and temporall iurisdiction and so hath authoritie to make Lawes to bind conscience to depose Kings and to dispose of their Kingdomes that he and his Clergy are exempt from the authoritie of Secular power VIII To hold seuen degrees of Priesthood that there are sacrifizing Priests in the time of the Gospell that all the Clergie are to liue a single life IX To set vp high and worldly dignities in the Church as Kingly Cardinals Prince-like vnpreaching Prelates and Pastors ouer Congregations not able to teach them to allow infinite Orders of Monkes Friers and Nunnes X. To beleeue that there is a Limbus Patrum a Limbus Infantium and a place called Purgatorie In their Catalogue they are to bring Christ his Apostles and all the rest therein named for teachers and professours of these things and the like else are they not to be reputed of this their present Religion Vrge them friendly Reader vnto the proofe of these particular differences till then keepe thy right standing and be not mooued with a shew of names In the meane space that thou mayest be well assured that thou art a true member of the Catholike Church of Christ though no Romane Catholike haue recourse vnto thy baptisme and the Couenant which God made with thee and thou with him therein Aske them when any of them goeth about to seduce thee whether they thinke that thou hast receiued true baptisme If they say Yea as they cannot answere truly otherwise though wee were baptized of very condemned Heretikes as the Trent Councel decreeth then demand of them againe Whether true baptisme doth admit the baptized into the true Church of God or no If it doe know of them that then being thereby receiued into the true Church why thou and wee so baptized should not still be of it in their account Will them to shew what we teach and beleeue differing from them that hath disannulled our Couenant with God and how we come to bee out of the Church The Romane Catechisme which with them is of great authority telleth vs that men are out of the Church as Infidels which neuer were in it as Heretikes Schismatiks and Excommunicated persons once of it whereto may be added such as be Apostates wholly renouncing Christ Taking this for granted that these be all and then that we be none of these it must needs follow that we are through Baptisme yet in the true Church I hope our aduersaries will not say that wee be either of the first or last sort let them cleare vs of that and wee will well enough acquit our selues of the rest I. We are not though they so call vs commonly Heretikes If they please let the Catholike Moderator pleade for vs or let them beleeue their owne moderate Answerer to whom my L. of Couentry and Lichfield maketh reply who saith that he supposeth that no one particular learned Catholike in this Kingdome doth or will defend this opinion That Protestants are Heretikes and excommunicate If these on their side will not be sufficient to cleare vs let vs learne from them what an Heretike is and so cleare our selues thereby An Heretike saith the Romane Catechisme is he which neglecting the Churches authority doth maintaine impious opinions obstinately By this wee cannot be proued to bee Heretikes this cannot agree to vs. For first we may demand What impious opinions either affirmatiue or negatiue doe we hold which they can iustly task vs of Let them instance what pleaseth them and then prooue the same to be heresie first by plaine and pregnant places of holy Scripture which may conuince the conscience of indifferēt men Secondly by general Councels or by any one generall Councell within 600. yeres after Christ in which space were most famous renowned Councels that hath condemned any maine doctrine of our Faith for heresie Thirdly by the vnanimous consent and generall voyce of the Greeke and Latine Fathers for that space condemning the same for heresie and for an impious opinion Let them if they be able shew first in our faith that wee hold any thing against any Article of our Creed which is the summe of our beliefe Secondly in our prayers any thing against the patterne of all true prayers commonly called The Lords Prayer Thirdly in our deeds which we teach to be done or bid to be left vndone any thing against any of the Commandements in the Decalogue the rule of our obedience If they can thus fairely and euidently proceede they should doe well so to conuince vs. Secondly if any impious opinions could be found among vs it must be considered whether they be broched by priuate persons or tenents held of the Church in her publike Records If the former then are they not the Churches if the Church should hold any such how can they proue that she maintaineth them obstinately For obstinacy is not to be imputed vnto vs till all lawfull good and sufficient meanes haue been vsed to conuince our iudgement and the same also by such as haue lawfull and full authority to iudge and determine thereof But hitherto this hath not been done neither can it be but by a