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A61213 The unreasonableness of the Romanists, requiring our communion with present Romish church, or, A discourse drawn from the perplexity and uncertainty of the principles, and from the contradictions betwixt the prayers and doctrine of the present Romish church to prove that 'tis unreasonable to require us to joyn in commmunion with it. Squire, William, d. 1677. 1670 (1670) Wing S5102; ESTC R15456 70,903 210

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be_v absurd_a to_o make_v this_o profession_n always_o that_o she_o be_v the_o mother_n and_o mistress_n of_o all_o church_n for_o that_o can_v always_o be_v the_o mother_n and_o mistress_n of_o all_o church_n which_o may_v cease_v to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n but_o even_o by_o their_o own_o confession_n it_o be_v not_o the_o fide_fw-la that_o the_o roman_a particular_a church_n shall_v always_o remain_v or_o always_o adhere_v to_o the_o true_a faith_n for_o that_o rome_n shall_v be_v the_o seat_n of_o antichrist_n be_v the_o opinion_n of_o many_o romanist_n and_o if_o it_o be_v 17._o ribera_n &_o viega_n in_o apoc._n 17._o the_o seat_n of_o antichrist_n it_o be_v uncertain_a how_o it_o can_v remain_v the_o mistress_n of_o all_o church_n again_o that_o it_o shall_v not_o fail_v it_o be_v only_o pia_fw-la &_o probabilissima_fw-la opinio_fw-la 4._o opinio_fw-la bellar._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont_n c._n 4._o but_o not_o so_o certain_a that_o the_o contrary_n can_v be_v call_v heretical_a or_o manifest_o erroneous_a yea_o there_o be_v no_o promise_n if_o we_o look_v on_o that_o church_n precise_o that_o it_o shall_v never_o revolt_v from_o the_o catholic_n faith_n say_v suarez_n 5._o suarez_n desensfid_v cathol_n l._n 1._o 5._o 5._o now_o if_o it_o be_v not_o de_fw-mi fide_fw-la that_o the_o roman_a particular_a church_n shall_v never_o err_v in_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o that_o there_o be_v no_o promise_n to_o support_v it_o from_o fail_v then_o it_o be_v absurd_a to_o prosess_v always_o this_o article_n as_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n that_o she_o be_v the_o mother_n and_o mistress_n of_o all_o church_n three_o if_o the_o romanist_n shall_v say_v that_o the_o particular_a church_n take_v abstract_o from_o its_o bishop_n may_v err_v but_o consider_v as_o unite_v with_o its_o head_n the_o universal_a bishop_n than_o it_o can_v never_o err_v or_o fall_v away_o propter_fw-la cathedram_fw-la petri_n praesidentem_fw-la say_v suarez_n 7._o suarez_n defence_n fid_fw-we cathol_n etc._n etc._n l._n 1._o c._n 5._o n._n 6_o 7._o for_o the_o roman_a bishop_n be_v the_o vicar_n of_o christ_n and_o head_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n the_o father_n and_o teacher_n of_o all_o christian_n to_o who_o in_o st._n peter_n be_v deliver_v the_o full_a power_n of_o feed_v and_o govern_v the_o universal_a church_n as_o the_o florentine_a council_n determine_v so_o that_o whatsoever_o church_n be_v in_o union_n with_o he_o by_o virtue_n of_o the_o privilege_n derive_v to_o he_o by_o st._n peter_n can_v fall_v into_o any_o error_n hoc_fw-la habet_fw-la quaelibet_fw-la alia_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la sub_fw-la eadem_fw-la ratione_fw-la &_o vnione_fw-la spectata_fw-la say_v suarez_n 6._o suarez_n defence_n fid_fw-we etc._n etc._n ibi_fw-la n._n 6._o but_o now_o if_o the_o foundation_n of_o this_o article_n be_v doubtful_a and_o uncertain_a it_o will_v follow_v that_o this_o article_n itself_o be_v doubtful_a and_o uncertain_a also_o first_o then_o 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which_o be_v not_o yet_o