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faith_n be_v commend_v by_o the_o preach_a of_o the_o apostle_n to_o who_o falsehood_n can_v have_v access_n answ_n for_o s._n cyprian_n all_o the_o world_n know_v that_o he_o ratio_fw-la he_o it_o be_v confess_v by_o baronius_n anno._n 238._o n._n 41._o by_o bellarm_n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr r._n pont._n c._n 7._o §._o tertia_fw-la ratio_fw-la resolute_o oppose_v a_o decree_n of_o the_o roman_a bishop_n and_o all_o that_o adhere_v to_o he_o in_o the_o point_n of_o rebaptising_a which_o that_o church_n at_o that_o time_n deliver_v as_o a_o necessary_a tradition_n so_o necessary_a that_o by_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n firmilianus_n and_o other_o bishop_n of_o cappadocia_n cilicia_n and_o galatia_n and_o general_o all_o who_o persist_v in_o the_o contrary_a opinion_n ibid._n opinion_n confess_v by_o baronius_n a_o 258._o n._n 14._o &_o 15._o by_o card._n perron_n repl._n l._n 1._o c._n 25._o ibid._n be_v therefore_o deprive_v of_o the_o church_n communion_n which_o excommunication_n can_v 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be_v condemn_v as_o heretic_n for_o two_o thing_n first_o for_o employ_v woman_n in_o the_o place_n and_o office_n of_o priest_n to_o offer_v a_o cake_n not_o in_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o gift_n or_o present_a but_o in_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o participant_fw-la a_o ut_fw-la in_o nomen_fw-la virgin_n collyridem_fw-la quandam_fw-la sacrificarent_fw-la epiph._n haer_fw-mi 78._o offerunt_fw-la panem_fw-la in_o nomen_fw-la mariae_fw-la omnes_fw-la autem_fw-la pane_fw-la participant_fw-la sacrifice_n which_o be_v never_o lawful_a for_o any_o but_o 79._o but_o deo_fw-la enim_fw-la ab_fw-la aeterno_fw-la nulla_fw-la tenus_fw-la mulier_fw-la sacrificavit_fw-la idem_fw-la haeres_fw-la 79._o man_n and_o those_o ibid._n those_o diaconissarum_fw-la ordo_fw-la est_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la ad_fw-la sacrificandum_fw-la nam_fw-la neque_fw-la diaconis_fw-la concreditum_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la aliquod_fw-la mysterium_fw-la perficiant_fw-la id._n ibid._n consecrate_v second_o for_o offer_v this_o a_o this_o vid._n sup_v littera_fw-la a_o sacrifice_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n i._n e._n unto_o she_o herself_o direct_o and_o terminative_o as_o a_o act_n of_o ibid._n of_o mortuis_fw-la eultum_fw-la divinum_fw-la praestantes_fw-la id._n ibid._n and_o again_o revera_n virgo_fw-la erat_fw-la honorata_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la ad_fw-la adorationem_fw-la nobis_fw-la data_fw-la sed_fw-la ipsa_fw-la adorans_fw-la deum_fw-la and_o again_o non_fw-la ut_fw-la adoretur_fw-la virgo_fw-la nec_fw-la ut_fw-la deum_fw-la hanc_fw-la efficeret_fw-la etc._n etc._n sit_v in_o honore_fw-la maria_fw-la pater_fw-la &_o filius_fw-la &_o spiritus_fw-la s._n adoretur_fw-la mariam_n nemo_fw-la adoret_fw-la deo_fw-la debetur_fw-la hoc_fw-la mysterium_fw-la id._n ibid._n divine_a worship_n and_o adoration_n due_a unto_o she_o as_o unto_o a_o sovereign_a ibid._n sovereign_a pro_fw-la deo_fw-la hanc_fw-la
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