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king_n and_o prince_n who_o he_o charge_v not_o to_o hinder_v such_o as_o be_v come_v to_o the_o council_n under_o the_o penalty_n of_o incur_v god_n displeasure_n and_o his_o own_o in_o the_o last_o of_o those_o two_o session_n 116._o divinae_fw-la maj_n statis_fw-la tuus_fw-la conspectus_fw-la vutilanti_fw-la cujus_fw-la fulgore_fw-la imbecille_n oculi_fw-la mei_fw-la caligant_fw-la etc._n etc._n et_fw-la paulo_fw-la post_fw-la in_o te_fw-la uno_fw-la legitimo_fw-la christi_fw-la &_o dei_fw-la vicario_n pâ—opheticum_fw-la illud_fw-la debuerit_fw-la â—uâ—sus_fw-la impleri_fw-la adorabunt_fw-la cum_fw-la omnes_fw-la reges_fw-la terrae_fw-la omnes_fw-la gentes_fw-la seruient_fw-fr ci_fw-fr ibid._n sess_n 9_o p._n 114_o 116._o antonius_n puccius_n tell_v leo_n how_o his_o eye_n be_v darken_v by_o the_o rutilant_a brightness_n of_o his_o divine_a majesty_n in_o he_o alone_o as_o the_o vicar_n of_o god_n and_o of_o christ_n that_o say_v of_o the_o prophet_n ought_v again_o to_o have_v 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