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20._o the_o occasion_n of_o their_o first_o spring_v up_o 128._o how_o and_o by_o who_o begin_v at_o rome_n 10_o 11_o heretic_n who_o and_o who_o not_o 105._o none_o to_o be_v rash_o condemn_v for_o such_o 17._o that_o some_o may_v pertain_v to_o the_o church_n 105._o who_o they_o be_v that_o teach_v that_o faith_n give_v to_o heretic_n be_v not_o to_o be_v keep_v 92_o 93_o s._n hierome_n explain_v 6_o 88_o in_o what_o esteem_n he_o have_v bishop_n 115_o hooker_n right_v 56_o 57_o 158_o ay_o st._n james_n believe_v to_o have_v be_v successor_n of_o our_o lord_n in_o the_o principality_n of_o the_o church_n 122_o idolater_n their_o god_n how_o put_v down_o by_o christian_a religion_n 50_o 51._o idolatry_n how_o maintain_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o with_o what_o evil_a consequent_n 181_o etc._n etc._n of_o jeremias_n the_o greek_a patriarch_n 〈◊〉_d censure_n 145_o jesuitesâ—_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o deal_n in_o this_o conference_n 211._o their_o cunning_a in_o expound_v the_o father_n to_o their_o own_o purpose_n 7._o their_o confidence_n 15._o their_o arrogancy_n 111._o their_o subtle_a malignity_n 244._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o themselves_o infallibility_n 61._o their_o desire_n of_o have_v one_o king_n 〈◊〉_d one_o pope_n 65_o 66._o their_o late_a cunning_a argument_n to_o draw_v protestant_n to_o they_o answer_v etc._n etc._n 194._o their_o falsification_n of_o the_o author_n word_n 86_o 87._o a_o perfect_a jesuitism_n 84_o jew_n the_o ground_n of_o their_o belief_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n 79_o image_n how_o worship_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n 12._o against_o adoration_n of_o they_o 181._o cassander_n his_o complaint_n of_o it_o 182._o the_o fly_v from_o image-worship_n shall_v not_o make_v 〈◊〉_d to_o run_v into_o profaneness_n and_o irreverence_n against_o god_n 183_o infallible_a two_o acception_n of_o it_o 80_o infallible_a and_o firm_a how_o they_o differ_v 127._o the_o evil_n ensue_v the_o opinion_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o pope_n infallibility_n 143_o etc._n etc._n 170_o 175._o what_o a_o infallibility_a of_o the_o church_n stapleton_n be_v force_v to_o acknowledge_v 166_o 167_o vid._n counsel_n and_o pope_n and_o church_n innocent_n the_o three_o â—â—â—_o extol_n the_o pope_n above_o the_o emperor_n 134_o etc._n etc._n against_o invocation_n of_o saint_n 181_o irenâ—â—â—_n vindicate_v 118_o etc._n etc._n 249_o 250_o 251_o israel_n a_o church_n after_o her_o separation_n from_o judah_n 97_o judge_n who_o to_o be_v in_o controversy_n touch_v faith_n and_o manner_n 101_o 102_o etc._n etc._n 108_o 253._o what_o judge_n of_o this_o kind_a the_o church_n have_v 127_o 253._o who_o to_o judge_v when_o a_o general_a council_n can_v be_v have_v 129._o that_o no_o visible_a judge_n can_v prevent_v or_o remedy_v all_o heresy_n and_o schism_n 130._o a_o visible_a live_a judge_n of_o all_o controversy_n whether_o always_o necessary_a 130._o etc._n etc._n wherein_o private_a man_n may_v judge_v and_o wherein_o not_o 2_o 149_o 160_o k_o the_o key_n to_o who_o give_v and_o how_o 123_o 167_o king_n custodes_fw-la utriúsque_fw-la tabulae_fw-la 134._o not_o to_o be_v tyrannize_v over_o by_o the_o pope_n 125._o their_o supremacy_n in_o thing_n spiritual_a 134._o some_o romanist_n for_o the_o depose_n and_o kill_v of_o they_o 221_o knowledge_n of_o god_n how_o difficult_a 71_o 72._o what_o knowledge_n needful_a to_o breed_v faith_n 55_o 56._o what_o degree_n of_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n hard_o to_o determine_v 212_o 236._o the_o apostle_n knowledge_n how_o different_a from_o that_o of_o their_o hearer_n 69_o l_o against_o limbus_n patrum_fw-la 198_o 213_o literae_fw-la communicatoriae_fw-la what_o they_o be_v and_o of_o what_o use_n 132_o peter_n lombard_n condemn_v of_o heresy_n by_o the_o pope_n 174_o m_o maldonate_fw-it answer_v 147_o manichee_n their_o soul_n heresy_n and_o what_o stumble_v they_o 151_o manner_n corruption_n in_o they_o no_o sufficient_a cause_n of_o separation_n 94_o 95_o martyr_n of_o the_o feast_n make_v of_o old_a at_o their_o oratory_n 182_o mass_n the_o english_a liturgy_n better_a and_o safe_a than_o it_o 201._o what_o manner_n of_o sacrifice_n it_o be_v make_v by_o they_o of_o rome_n 200_o matrix_fw-la and_o radix_fw-la in_o s._n cyprian_n not_o the_o roman_a church_n 238_o 240_o merit_n against_o their_o condignity_n 185_o miracle_n what_o proof_n of_o divine_a truth_n 48_o 69._o not_o wrought_v by_o all_o the_o writer_n of_o scripture_n 69._o what_o kind_n of_o assent_n be_v common_o give_v to_o they_o ibid._n multitude_n no_o sure_a mark_n of_o the_o truth_n 198_o n_o novatian_n their_o original_n 3_o 10._o novatian_n how_o deal_v with_o by_o saint_n cyprian_n 23_o 239_o etc._n etc._n o_o obedience_n of_o that_o which_o be_v due_a to_o the_o church_n &_o her_o pastor_n 155_o occam_n his_o true_a resolution_n touch_v that_o which_o make_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n 254_o origen_n his_o error_n obtrude_v by_o ruffinus_n 6._o he_o the_o first_o founder_n of_o purgatory_n 227_o 231_o p_o papist_o there_o deny_v possibility_n of_o salvation_n to_o protestant_n confute_v and_o their_o reason_n answer_v 185_o 186_o 187._o of_o their_o go_v to_o protestant_a church_n and_o join_v themselves_o to_o their_o assembly_n 244_o parent_n their_o power_n over_o their_o child_n 103_o parliament_n what_o matter_n they_o treat_v of_o and_o decree_n 138_o 139_o pastor_n lawful_o send_v what_o assistance_n promise_v to_o they_o 61_o 62._o their_o embassy_n of_o what_o authority_n 64_o patriarch_n all_o alike_o supreme_a 111_o 112_o 116._o no_o appeal_n from_o they_o 117_o 111_o 1â—2_n people_n the_o unlearned_a of_o they_o save_v by_o the_o simplicity_n of_o faith_n 105_o perfidia_fw-la the_o different_a signification_n of_o it_o 4_o 5_o 6_o s._n peter_n of_o christ_n prayer_n for_o he_o 106_o 107_o 124_o 125._o of_o his_o primacy_n preeminency_n and_o power_n 121_o etc._n etc._n 123_o 152._o in_o what_o sense_n the_o church_n be_v say_v to_o be_v build_v upon_o he_o 122._o that_o he_o fall_v but_o not_o from_o the_o faith_n 123_o 124._o whether_o he_o be_v universal_a pastor_n 125._o the_o high_a power_n ecclesiastical_a how_o give_v to_o he_o and_o how_o to_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n 109_o 110_o 247_o 248_o pope_n not_o infallible_a 2_o 3_o 4_o 5_o 6_o 11_o 12_o 58_o 59_o 124_o 147_o 253._o how_o improbable_a and_o absurd_a it_o be_v to_o say_v he_o be_v so_o 174_o 175_o etc._n etc._n he_o make_v more_o infallible_a by_o the_o romanist_n than_o a_o general_a council_n 172._o his_o infallibility_n hold_v by_o some_o against_o conscience_n 174_o 175._o if_o he_o have_v any_o it_o be_v useless_a 177._o how_o oppose_v by_o alphonsus_n à _fw-fr castro_n 172_o 173._o the_o belief_n and_o knowledge_n of_o it_o both_o of_o they_o impossible_a 177._o that_o he_o may_v err_v and_o have_v err_v 136._o that_o he_o may_v err_v as_o pope_n 174_o 175._o prefer_v by_o some_o before_o a_o general_a council_n 172._o not_o monarch_n of_o the_o church_n 132._o he_o have_v not_o a_o negative_a voice_n in_o counsel_n 253._o make_v by_o some_o as_o infallible_a without_o as_o with_o a_o general_a council_n 172_o 173._o his_o confirmation_n of_o general_a counsel_n of_o what_o avail_n 180._o of_o his_o power_n in_o france_n and_o spain_n 132_o 133_o 136._o how_o much_o great_a he_o be_v make_v by_o some_o than_o the_o emperor_n 132_o 133_o etc._n etc._n 137._o his_o power_n slight_v by_o some_o great_a prince_n 132_o 133_o 136._o whether_o he_o may_v be_v a_o heretic_n and_o be_v one_o how_o to_o be_v deal_v with_o 176._o all_o his_o power_n prerogative_n etc._n etc._n indirect_o deny_v by_o stapleton_n 30_o pope_n the_o fall_n of_o some_o of_o they_o and_o the_o consequent_n thereof_o 95_o of_o their_o power_n and_o principality_n 109_o 110_o etc._n etc._n 253._o their_o subjection_n to_o the_o emperor_n 115_o 116._o and_o how_o lose_v by_o the_o emperor_n
providè_fw-la in_o quibâ—â—dâ—m_fw-la ecclesiis_fw-la observatur_fw-la ut_fw-la popule_n sanguis_fw-la non_fw-la detiâ—_n thom._n p._n 3._o q._n 80._o a._n 12._o c._n so_o it_o be_v but_o in_o some_o church_n in_o his_o time_n negare_fw-la non_fw-la possumuâ—_n etiam_fw-la in_o ecclesiâ_fw-la lâ—tinâ_fw-la fuisse_fw-la usum_fw-la utriusque_fw-la speciei_fw-la &_o usque_fw-la ad_fw-la tempora_fw-la s._n tâ—omâ—_n durasse_n vasq._n in_o â—_o disput._n 216._o c._n 3._o â—_o 38._o 38._o refecti_fw-la cibo_fw-la potâ—â—_n câ—lesti_fw-la deus_fw-la â—oster_fw-la teâ—supplices_fw-la exâ—ramuâ—_n etc._n etc._n in_o proprio_fw-la missarum_fw-la de_fw-fr sa_o 〈…〉_z jan._n 15._o orat._n post_fw-la communionem_fw-la 〈◊〉_d jan._n â—1_n â—1_n ad_fw-la quod_fw-la sacâ—â—ficium_fw-la svo_fw-la loco_fw-la &_o ordine_fw-la homines_fw-la dei_fw-la nomindâ—tur_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la a_o sacerdote_v quâ—_n saâ—râ—â—â—caâ—_n invocantur_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n 22._o civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 10._o 10._o bellarm._n l._n 1_o de_fw-fr sanctor_n bedtitud_n c._n 20._o §_o ad_fw-la primum_fw-la ergo_fw-la locum_fw-la etc._n etc._n etc._n sunt_fw-la redemptores_fw-la nostri_fw-la aliquo_fw-la modo_fw-la &_o secun_fw-la 〈…〉_z aliquid_fw-la bellar._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr indulgent_a c._n 4._o et_fw-la sanctos_fw-la appellat_fw-la numina_fw-la l._n 2._o the_o imagine_v sanctorum_fw-la c._n 20._o §_o 3._o now_o if_o this_o word_n numen_fw-la signify_v any_o thing_n else_o beside_o god_n himself_o or_o the_o power_n of_o god_n or_o the_o oraole_n of_o god_n let_v bellarmine_n show_v it_o or_o a._n c_o for_o him_z him_z ut_fw-la ejuâ—_n meritis_fw-la &_o precibusâ—_n â—_z geheâ—ne_n â—â—cendiis_fw-la liberemur_fw-la in_o proprio_fw-la missarum_fw-la de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la decemb._n 6._o 6._o ut_fw-la aâ—borum_fw-la meritis_fw-la aeternitatis_fw-la glorâ—am_fw-la consequamâ—â—_n ibid._n julii_n 6._o 6._o ejus_fw-la intercedentibus_fw-la meritis_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la nos_fw-la absolve_v peccatis_fw-la ibid._n julli_fw-la 14._o 14._o in_o optatus_n his_o time_n the_o christian_n be_v much_o trouble_v upon_o but_o a_o false_a report_n that_o a_o image_n be_v to_o be_v place_v upon_o the_o altar_n what_o will_v they_o have_v do_v if_o adoration_n have_v be_v command_v etc._n etc._n et_fw-la rectè_fw-la dictum_fw-la erat_fw-la si_fw-la tasem_fw-la famam_fw-la similis_fw-la veritas_fw-la sequeretur_fw-la optat._n l._n 3._o ad_fw-la finem_fw-la finem_fw-la sicut_fw-la non_fw-la licet_fw-la cum_fw-la ethnicis_fw-la idola_fw-la colere_fw-la becan_n l._n the_o side_n haeret._n servunda_fw-la c._n 8._o 8._o coâ—â—iâ—git_fw-la aliqâ—aâ—do_n heretic_n â—irâ—a_n plura_fw-la errare_fw-la quam_fw-la gentiles_n ut_fw-la manichâ—os_fw-la inquit_fw-la thomas_n quòd_fw-la nos_fw-la possumus_fw-la verè_fw-la dicere_fw-la â—e_n nostri_fw-la temporis_fw-la sectariis_fw-la qui_fw-la culpabilâ—â—èr_fw-la in_o pluribus_fw-la videntur_fw-la errare_fw-la valentia_n in_o 2._o 2_o â—_o disp._n 1_o â—_o 1â—_n punct_a 3._o 3._o quod_fw-la quidem_fw-la à _fw-la christianis_fw-la mâ—lioribus_fw-la non_fw-la â—it_n s_o aug._n l._n 8._o de_fw-la civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 27._o 27._o illa_fw-la quasi_fw-la parâ—uâ—alia_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la gentilium_fw-la simillima_fw-la lud._n vives_n ibid._n ibid._n quod_fw-la ergo_fw-la mortuis_fw-la litabatur_fw-la utique_fw-la parentationi_fw-la deputabatur_fw-la quâ—_n species_n proinde_fw-la idololatriae_fw-la est_fw-la quoniam_fw-la &_o idololatriâ—_n parentationis_fw-la â—â—t_n species_n tert._n l._n de_fw-fr speâ—â—acuâ—is_n c._n 12._o 12._o manifestus_fw-la est_fw-la quam_fw-la ut_fw-la multis_fw-la verbis_fw-la explicari_fw-la deâ—eat_fw-la imaginum_fw-la &_o simulachrorum_fw-la cultum_fw-la nimium_fw-la invaluisse_fw-la &_o affectioni_fw-la seâ—_n potiùs_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la populi_fw-la plus_fw-la saâ—â—â—_n indultum_fw-la esse_fw-la it_o à _fw-la ut_fw-la ad_fw-la summam_fw-la adorationem_fw-la quae_fw-la vel_fw-la à _fw-la paganis_fw-la suis_fw-la simulachris_fw-la â—xbibert_n consutvit_fw-la etc._n etc._n cassand_n consult_v art_n 21._o c._n de_fw-fr imagibibuâ—_n where_o he_o name_v divers_a of_o your_o own_o â—s_v namely_o â—urantâ—s_fw-la minatensis_fw-la episcoâ—us_fw-la john_n billet_v gerson_n durand_n holkot_n and_o biel_n reject_v the_o opinion_n of_o thomas_n and_o other_o superstition_n concern_v image_n ibid._n ibid._n non_fw-la quod_fw-la credatur_fw-la â—nesse_fw-la aliqua_fw-la in_o iis_fw-la divinitas_fw-la &_o velutâ—_n olim_fw-la fiebat_fw-la à _fw-la gentibus_fw-la conc._n trid._n sess._n 25._o decret_n de_fw-fr invocat_n invocat_n et_fw-la â—â—dibus_fw-la periculosi_fw-la erroris_fw-la occasiovem_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n ibid._n et_fw-la adâ—ò_fw-la gens_n affecta_fw-la est_fw-la trancis_fw-la corrosis_fw-la &_o deformibus_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la ut_fw-la i_o testae_fw-la quoâ—â—es_fw-la episcopi_fw-la decentiores_fw-la ponere_fw-la jubent_fw-la veteres_fw-la svas_fw-la petant_fw-la plorantes_fw-la etc._n etc._n hieron_n lamas_n sâ—mma_n p._n 3._o c._n 3_o 3_o imagine_v christi_n &_o s._n matris_fw-la â—jâ—â—s_fw-la &_o sanctorum_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la uâ—nerandâ—_n acsi_fw-la in_o ipsis_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la esset_fw-la divinit_fw-la aâ—_n seeundùm_fw-la quod_fw-la sunt_fw-la materia_fw-la arte_fw-la â—ffigiata_fw-la &_o non_fw-la secundùm_fw-la quod_fw-la repraesentant_fw-la christum_fw-la &_o sanctos_fw-la etc._n etc._n sic_fw-la enim_fw-la adorare_fw-la vel_fw-la petere_fw-la aliquid_fw-la ab_fw-la iis_fw-la esset_fw-la idololatria_fw-la lam._n ibid._n quis_fw-la ferat_fw-la populum_fw-la in_o templum_fw-la irruentem_fw-la 〈◊〉_d haram_fw-la sue_v certè_fw-la non_fw-la obsâ—â—t_fw-la populo_fw-la câ—â—â—moniâ—_n sed_fw-la prosunt_fw-la si_fw-la modus_fw-la in_o â—is_fw-la servetâ—r_fw-la &_o caveamusâ—è_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d loco_fw-la habeaatur_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la nè_fw-la precipuam_fw-la pietatem_fw-la in_o illis_fw-la collocemus_fw-la rhen._n annot._n in_o tâ—rtul_n de_fw-fr cor._n â—â—il_n â—â—il_n cave_fw-la nè_fw-la dum_fw-la uâ—s_fw-la alium_fw-la notare_fw-la culpae_fw-la ipse_fw-la voteris_fw-la calum_fw-la 〈…〉_z s._n hier._n â—_o 3._o advers._fw-la pelagianos_fw-la a._n c._n p._n 64._o 64._o nos_fw-la fatemur_fw-la sub_fw-la papatu_fw-la pluâ—imum_fw-la esse_fw-la boni_fw-la imò_fw-la omne_fw-la bonum_fw-la christianum_fw-la atque_fw-la etiam_fw-la illinc_fw-la ad_fw-la nos_fw-la devenisse_fw-la etc._n etc._n luther_n contra_fw-la anabaptist_n citante_fw-la bellarmino_fw-la l._n 4._o de_fw-fr notis_n eccles._n c._n 16._o §._o penult_n etâ—â—â—eld_n â—â—â—eld_z appendicâ—_n par_fw-fr 3._o c._n 2._o et_fw-fr jos._n hall_n bishop_n of_o exeter_n l._n of_o the_o old_a religion_n c._n 1._o many_o hold_v christ_n the_o foundation_n aright_o and_o groan_v under_o the_o burden_n of_o popish_a trash_n etc._n etc._n by_o a_o general_a repentance_n and_o assure_a faith_n in_o their_o saviour_n do_v find_v favour_n with_o the_o lord_n d._n gro._n abbot_n late_a archbishop_n of_o cant._n answer_v to_o hill_n ad_fw-la ration_n 1._o §._o 30._o for_o my_o part_n i_o dare_v not_o deny_v the_o possibility_n of_o their_o salvation_n who_o have_v be_v the_o chief_a instrument_n of_o we_o etc._n etc._n hooker_n in_o his_o discourse_n of_o justificat_fw-la §._o 17._o in_o former_a time_n a_o man_n may_v hold_v the_o general_a doctrine_n of_o those_o church_n wherein_o our_o father_n live_v and_o be_v save_v and_o yet_o since_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n some_o be_v find_v in_o it_o in_o such_o degree_n of_o orthodoxy_n as_o we_o may_v well_o hope_v of_o their_o salvation_n field_n l._n 3._o eccl._n c_o 47._o the_o latin_a or_o western_a church_n subject_n to_o the_o romish_a tyranny_n be_v a_o true_a church_n in_o which_o a_o save_a profession_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o christ_n be_v find_v jos._n hall_n bishop_n of_o exeter_n l._n of_o the_o old_a religion_n fine_a in_o his_o advertisement_n to_o the_o reader_n p._n 202._o non_fw-la pauci_fw-la retinuerunt_fw-la christum_fw-la fundamentum_fw-la etc._n etc._n mornaeus_n tract_n de_fw-fr ecclesia_fw-la c._n 9_o fine_a inter_fw-la sordes_fw-la istas_fw-la ista_fw-la quae_fw-la summo_fw-la cum_fw-la periculo_fw-la expectetur_fw-la salus_fw-la non_fw-la ipsorum_fw-la additamentis_fw-la sed_fw-la iis_fw-la quae_fw-la nobiscum_fw-la habent_fw-la communia_fw-la fundamentis_fw-la est_fw-la attribuenda_fw-la jo._n prideaux_n lectione_n 9_o fine_n papa_n aliquam_fw-la adhuc_fw-la religionis_fw-la formam_fw-la relinquit_fw-la spem_fw-la aquavitae_fw-la aeternae_fw-la non_fw-la tollit_fw-la etc._n etc._n calv._n instruct._n advers._fw-la libertinos_fw-la c._n 4._o 4._o here_o a._n c._n get_v another_o snatch_n and_o tell_v we_o that_o to_o grant_v a_o possibility_n of_o salvation_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v the_o free_a confession_n of_o a_o adversary_n and_o therefore_o be_v of_o force_n against_o we_o and_o extort_a by_o truth_n but_o to_o say_v that_o salvation_n be_v more_o secure_o and_o easy_o to_o be_v bad_a in_o the_o protestant_a faith_n that_o be_v but_o their_o partial_a opinion_n in_o their_o own_o behalf_n and_o of_o no_o force_n especial_o with_o roman_a catholic_n i_o easy_o believe_v this_o latter_a part_n that_o this_o as_o a._n c._n and_o the_o rest_n use_v the_o matter_n with_o their_o proselyte_n shall_v be_v of_o little_a or_o no_o force_n with_o roman_a catholic_n but_o it_o will_v behoove_v they_o that_o it_o be_v of_o force_n for_o let_v any_o indifferent_a man_n weigh_v the_o necessary_a requisite_n to_o salvation_n and_o he_o shall_v find_v this_o no_o partial_a opinion_n but_o very_o plain_a and_o real_a verity_n that_o the_o protestant_a living_n according_a to_o his_o belief_n be_v upon_o the_o safe_a way_n to_o heaven_n and_o as_o for_o my_o confession_n let_v they_o enforce_v it_o as_o far_o as_o they_o
valentinus_n cerdon_n appelles_n etc._n etc._n tertull._n the_o prescript_n advers._fw-la haerâ—t_fw-la c._n 46_o 48_o 49_o 51_o etc._n etc._n etc._n libertini_n rident_fw-la â—â—em_fw-la omnem_fw-la quam_fw-la de_fw-la resurrectione_n habemus_fw-la idque_fw-la jam_fw-la nobis_fw-la evenâ—sse_fw-la dicunt_fw-la quod_fw-la adhuc_fw-la expectamus_fw-la etc._n etc._n ut_fw-la homo_fw-la sciat_fw-la animam_fw-la svam_fw-la spiritum_fw-la 〈◊〉_d esse_fw-la perpetuâ—_n viventem_fw-la in_o coelis_fw-la etc._n etc._n calv._n instructione_n advers._fw-la libertinos_fw-la c._n 22._o prinâ—_n sunt_fw-la etiam_fw-la hodie_fw-la libertini_n qui_fw-la eam_fw-la irrident_fw-la &_o resurrectionem_fw-la quae_fw-la tractatur_fw-la in_o scripture_n tantùm_fw-la ad_fw-la animas_fw-la referunt_fw-la pet._n mart._n loc._n com._n class_n 3._o ca._n 15._o nu._n 4._o punct_a 3._o punct_a 4._o 4._o hebr._n 11._o 37._o cyrillus_n alexandrinus_n malè_fw-la audivit_fw-la quod_fw-la ammonium_n martyrem_fw-la appellavit_fw-la quem_fw-la constitit_fw-la teâ—eritatis_fw-la poenas_fw-la dedisse_fw-la &_o non_fw-la necessitate_v negandi_fw-la christi_fw-la in_o tormentis_fw-la esse_fw-la mortuum_fw-la socr._n hist._n eccl._n l._n 7._o c._n 14._o 14._o optatus_n l._n 4._o cont._n parmen_fw-la parmen_fw-la tertul._n l._n the_o praescrip_n c._n 48._o 48._o tertul._n ibid._n ibid._n tertul._n l._n de_fw-la carne_n christi_fw-la c._n 14._o 14._o si_fw-mi ad_fw-la jesus_n christi_fw-la respicias_fw-la essentiam_fw-la atque_fw-la naturam_fw-la non_fw-la nisi_fw-la hominem_fw-la eum_fw-la fuisse_fw-la constantèr_fw-la affirmamus_fw-la volkelius_n lib._n 3._o de_fw-la religione_fw-la christianâ_fw-la cap._n 1._o 1._o §._o 35._o nu._n 2._o fine_a fine_a extra_n ecclesiam_fw-la neminem_fw-la vivificat_fw-la spiritus_fw-la sanctus_n s._n aug._n epist._n 50._o ad_fw-la finem_fw-la field_n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr eccles._n c._n 13._o una_fw-la est_fw-la fidelium_fw-la universalis_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la extra_fw-la quam_fw-la nullus_fw-la salvatur_fw-la conc._n lateran_n can._n 1._o and_o yet_o even_o there_o there_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n church_n and_o so_o do_v a._n c._n too_o out_o of_o the_o catholic_a roman_a church_n there_o be_v no_o possibility_n of_o salvation_n a._n c._n p._n 65._o 65._o and_o daughter_n zion_n be_v god_n own_o phrase_n of_o old_a of_o the_o church_n isa._n 1._o 8._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d hyppol_n orat._n de_fw-fr consume_v mundi_fw-la et_fw-la omnis_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la virgo_fw-la appellata_fw-la est_fw-la s._n aug._n tr._n 13._o in_o s._n joh._n joh._n for_o christ_n be_v to_o be_v preach_v to_o all_o nation_n but_o that_o preach_v be_v to_o begin_v at_o jerusalem_n s._n luc._n 24._o 47._o according_a to_o the_o prophecy_n mic._n 4._o 2._o and_o the_o disciple_n be_v first_o call_v christian_n at_o antioch_n act_v 11._o 26._o and_o therefore_o there_o be_v a_o church_n there_o before_o ever_o s._n peter_n come_v thence_o to_o settle_v one_o at_o rome_n nor_o be_v it_o a_o opinion_n destitute_a either_o of_o authority_n or_o probability_n that_o the_o faith_n of_o christ_n be_v preach_v and_o the_o sacrament_n administer_v here_o in_o england_n before_o any_o settlement_n of_o a_o church_n in_o rome_n for_o s._n gildas_n the_o ancient_a monument_n we_o have_v and_o who_o the_o romanist_n themselves_o reverence_v say_v express_o that_o the_o religion_n of_o christ_n be_v receive_v in_o britain_n tempore_fw-la ut_fw-la scimus_fw-la summo_fw-la tiberii_n caesaris_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o the_o latter_a time_n of_o tiberius_n caesar._n gildas_n the_o excid_n brit._n whereas_o s._n peter_n keep_v in_o jewry_n long_o after_o tiberius_n his_o death_n therefore_o the_o first_o conversion_n of_o this_o island_n to_o the_o faith_n be_v not_o by_o s._n peter_n nor_o from_o rome_n which_o be_v then_o a_o church_n against_o this_o rich._n broughton_n in_o his_o ecclesiastical_a history_n of_o great_a britain_n centur._n 1_o c._n 8._o §._o 4._o say_v express_o that_o the_o protestant_n do_v free_o acknowledge_v that_o this_o clause_n of_o the_o time_n of_o tiberius_n tempore_fw-la summo_fw-la tiberii_n caesaris_fw-la be_v want_v in_o other_o copy_n of_o that_o holy_a writer_n and_o namely_o in_o that_o which_o be_v set_v forth_o by_o pol._n virgil_n and_o other_o whereas_o first_o these_o word_n be_v express_v in_o a_o most_o fair_a and_o ancient_a manuscript_n of_o gildas_n to_o be_v see_v in_o sir_n rob._n cotton_n study_n if_o any_o doubt_v it_o second_o these_o word_n be_v as_o express_v in_o the_o print_a edition_n of_o gildas_n by_o polyd._n virg._n which_o edition_n be_v print_v at_o london_n an._n 1525._o and_o be_v never_o reprint_v since_o thrid_o these_o word_n be_v as_o express_v in_o the_o edition_n of_o gildas_n by_o jo._n joselin_n print_a at_o london_n also_o an._n 1568._o and_o this_o falsehood_n of_o broughton_n be_v so_o much_o the_o more_o foul_a because_o he_o boast_v praefat._n to_o his_o reader_n fine_a that_o he_o have_v see_v and_o diligent_o peruse_v the_o most_o and_o best_a monument_n and_o antiquity_n extant_a etc._n etc._n for_o if_o he_o do_v not_o see_v and_o peruse_v these_o he_o be_v vain_o false_a to_o say_v it_o if_o he_o do_v see_v they_o he_o be_v most_o malicious_o false_a to_o belie_v they_o and_o last_o whereas_o he_o say_v the_o protestant_n themselves_o confess_v so_o much_o i_o must_v believe_v he_o be_v as_o false_a in_o this_o as_o in_o the_o former_a till_o he_o name_v the_o protestant_n to_o i_o which_o do_v confess_v it_o and_o when_o he_o do_v he_o shall_v gain_v but_o this_o from_o i_o that_o those_o protestant_n which_o confess_v it_o be_v mistake_v for_o the_o thing_n be_v mistake_v mistake_v return_v of_o untruth_n upon_o m._n jewel_n art_n 4._o untruth_n 105._o 105._o for_o i_o be_o sure_a there_o be_v a_o roman_a church_n that_o be_v but_o a_o particular_a bellarm_n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n 4._o and_o then_o you_o must_v either_o show_v i_o another_o roman_a church_n which_o be_v the_o catholic_a or_o you_o must_v show_v how_o one_o and_o the_o same_o roman_a church_n be_v in_o different_a respect_n or_o relation_n a_o particular_a and_o yet_o the_o catholic_a which_o be_v not_o yet_o do_v and_o i_o do_v not_o say_v a_o particular_a and_o yet_o a_o catholic_a but_o a_o particular_a and_o yet_o the_o catholic_a church_n for_o so_o you_o speak_v for_o that_o which_o card._n peron_n have_v that_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v the_o catholic_a causal_o because_o it_o insuse_v universality_n into_o all_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n can_v i_o think_v satisfy_v no_o man_n that_o read_v it_o that_o a_o particular_a shall_v insuse_v universality_n into_o a_o universal_a peron_n l._n 4._o of_o his_o reply_n c._n 9_o 9_o rom._n 14._o 4._o 4._o caeteram_fw-la turbam_fw-la non_fw-la intelligendi_fw-la vivacitas_fw-la sed_fw-la credendi_fw-la simplicitas_fw-la tutissiniâ—â—_n fâ—tiâ—_n s._n aug._n cont._n fund_z c._n 4._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d naz._n orat._n 21._o omission_n of_o inquiry_n many_o time_n save_v the_o people_n people_n heretic_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o profession_n of_o sundry_a divine_a verity_n which_o they_o still_o retain_v in_o common_a with_o right_a believer_n etc._n etc._n do_v still_o pertain_v to_o the_o church_n field_n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr eccles._n c._n 14._o potest_fw-la aliquis_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la membrum_fw-la esse_fw-la secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la qui_fw-la tamen_fw-la simpliciter_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la haereticus_fw-la recedens_fw-la à _fw-la fide_fw-la non_fw-la dimittitur_fw-la ut_fw-la paganiâ—â—_n sed_fw-la propter_fw-la baptismi_fw-la characterem_fw-la punitur_fw-la ut_fw-la transfuga_fw-la &_o excommunicationis_fw-la gladio_fw-la spiritualitèr_fw-la occiditur_fw-la stapl._n controu._n 1._o q._n 2._o a._n 3._o notabil_n 3._o the_o apostle_n pronounce_v some_o go_v out_o s._n joh._n 2._o 19_o from_o the_o fellowship_n of_o sound_a believer_n when_o as_o yet_o the_o christian_a religion_n they_o have_v not_o utter_o cast_v off_o in_o like_a sense_n and_o meaning_n throughout_o all_o age_n heretic_n have_v just_o be_v hate_v as_o branch_n cut_v off_o from_o the_o true_a vine_n yet_o only_o so_o far_o forth_o cut_v off_o as_o the_o heresy_n have_v extend_v for_o both_o heresy_n and_o many_o other_o crime_n which_o whole_o sever_v from_o god_n do_v sever_v from_o the_o church_n of_o god_n but_o in_o part_n only_o hooker_n l._n 5._o eccles._n pol._n §_o 68_o 68_o ipsis_fw-la magistris_fw-la perevatibus_fw-la nisi_fw-la fortè_fw-la ante_fw-la mortem_fw-la resipuerint_fw-la luth._o do_v seru._n arbit_n hâ—resiarche_n plâ—s_v peccant_a quam_fw-la alii_fw-la qui_fw-la heresin_n aliquam_fw-la secuti_fw-la supplem_fw-la tho._n q._n 99_o a._n 4._o c._n c._n si_fw-mi mihi_fw-la videretur_fw-la uâ—â—s_fw-la &_o idem_fw-la haereticus_fw-la &_o haereticis_fw-la credens_fw-fr homo_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr util_a cred._n c._n 1._o et_fw-la epist_n 162._o ad_fw-la donatist_n episc._n episc._n s._n mat._n 18._o 17._o qui_fw-fr oppugnaut_fw-fr regulam_fw-la veritatis_fw-la s._n aug_n l._n de_fw-la haeresibus_fw-la versus_fw-la sinem_fw-la sinem_fw-la cypriaâ—us_fw-la reatus_fw-la &_o martyr_n s._n aug._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr bapt._n cont_n doâ—at_fw-la c._n 18._o
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