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lie_n but_o whether_o the_o bishop_n say_v the_o protestant_n do_v make_v the_o schism_n or_o the_o rent_n or_o a_o division_n or_o breach_n it_o be_v not_o a_o straw_n matter_n the_o word_n it_o be_v true_a be_v different_a but_o the_o sense_n be_v the_o same_o well_o therefore_o may_v the_o jesuit_n be_v say_v to_o relate_v at_o least_o in_o sense_n what_o the_o bishop_n utter_v without_o either_o enterfeir_a or_o shuffle_n his_o lordship_n therefore_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v boggle_v at_o this_o but_o clear_o have_v grant_v that_o protestant_n do_v depart_v from_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o get_v the_o name_n of_o protestant_n by_o protest_v against_o she_o for_o this_o be_v so_o apparent_a that_o the_o whole_a world_n acknowledge_v it_o and_o the_o relatour_n himself_o can_v deny_v it_o without_o retract_v his_o own_o word_n §_o 20._o num_fw-la 5._o pag._n 131._o where_o speak_v of_o luther_n he_o grant_v he_o make_v a_o breach_n from_o it_o and_o it_o be_v a_o very_a poor_a 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the_o creed_n and_o why_o 6._o no_o particular_a church_n have_v power_n to_o reform_v what_o be_v universal_o teach_v and_o receive_v 7._o the_o protestant_n synod_n at_o london_n 1562._o neither_o general_n nor_o free_n 8._o gerson_n and_o all_o his_o other_o proof_n fail_v the_o bishop_n 9_o protestant_n never_o yet_o have_v either_o true_a church_n or_o council_n 1._o we_o be_v again_o tell_v that_o protestant_n do_v not_o depart_v from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o be_v thrust_v out_o by_o she_o without_o cause_n what_o the_o cause_n of_o their_o expulsion_n be_v we_o have_v already_o declare_v and_o shall_v not_o refuse_v here_o again_o brief_o to_o repeat_v it_o be_v because_o by_o their_o heretical_a doctrine_n and_o schismatical_a proceed_n they_o have_v first_o separate_v themselves_o from_o the_o church_n and_o become_v both_o unworthy_a and_o uncapable_a any_o long_a of_o her_o communion_n they_o have_v raise_v a_o new_a separate_a and_o mutinous_a faction_n of_o 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point_n of_o christian_a religion_n believe_v by_o protestant_n with_o divine_a faith_n page_n 125_o 126_o 127_o 352_o their_o protestation_n at_o auspurgh_n 1529._o direct_o against_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o her_o doctrine_n page_n 146_o 147_o to_o protest_v against_o the_o roman_a church_n in_o the_o manner_n they_o then_o do_v be_v to_o protest_v against_o all_o true_a visible_a church_n in_o the_o world_n page_n 147_o protestant_n be_v chooser_n in_o point_n of_o faith_n as_o much_o as_o any_o other_o heretic_n page_n 353_o how_o far_a protestant_n rely_v upon_o the_o infallible_a authority_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n ibid._n why_o unlawful_a for_o catholic_n in_o england_n to_o go_v to_o protestant_a church_n page_n 401_o purgatory_n the_o council_n of_o florence_n unanimous_a in_o define_v the_o point_n of_o purgatory_n page_n 358_o the_o father_n as_o well_o within_o the_o first_o 300._o year_n as_o after_o constant_o teach_v purgatory_n p._n 359_o 360_o 361_o 362_o 363_o 364_o 365_o 366_o 367_o 368_o 369_o no_o real_a difference_n betwixt_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a use_v by_o the_o ancient_n and_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a use_v by_o the_o roman_a church_n at_o present_a p._n 360_o 361_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n in_o proof_n of_o purgatory_n make_v good_a page_n 358_o etc._n etc._n ut_fw-la supra_fw-la purgatory_n right_o esteem_v a_o apostolical_a tradition_n page_n 370_o reformation_n always_o and_o profess_o intend_v by_o the_o pope_n themselves_o in_o what_o be_v real_o needful_a p._n 147._o effect_v by_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n ibid._n the_o church_n of_o juda_n no_o pattern_n of_o the_o protestant_n reformation_n p._n 160_o the_o parallel_n for_o they_o hold_v better_a in_o the_o revolt_a tribe_n page_n 161_o sacrilege_n the_o natural_a fruit_n of_o protestant_a reformation_n page_n 170_o regicide_n no_o doctrine_n of_o catholic_n page_n 212_o 348_o resolution_n of_o faith_n how_o catholic_n do_v necessary_o resolve_v their_o 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of_o prague_n be_v mere_o jure_fw-la communi_fw-la and_o secure_v they_o only_o against_o unjust_a violence_n ibid._n the_o safe-conduct_a grant_v to_o protestant_n by_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n be_v jure_fw-la speciali_fw-la and_o as_o full_a and_o absolute_a as_o themselves_o can_v desire_v or_o the_o council_n grant_v page_n 153_o 154_o the_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n touch_v safe-conduct_n grant_v by_o temporal_a prince_n what_o it_o intend_v page_n 154_o 156_o it_o contain_v nothing_o against_o keep_v faith_n with_o heretic_n ibid._n salvation_n attainable_a in_o the_o roman_a faith_n and_o church_n by_o our_o adversary_n own_o confession_n page_n 300_o 301_o etc._n etc._n catholic_a doctor_n in_o possibility_n of_o salvation_n by_o the_o bishop_n own_o ground_n page_n 323_o 324_o the_o roman_a religion_n demonstrate_v to_o be_v a_o more_o safe_a way_n to_o salvation_n then_o that_o of_o protestant_n page_n 301_o 302_o 303_o 307_o 308_o saint_n invocation_n 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scripture_n for_o its_o own_o pretend_a light_n imprudent_a p._n 88_o 89_o 90_o 91_o 116_o 125_o the_o father_n for_o some_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n 〈◊〉_d see_v no_o such_o light_n page_n 70_o 91_o no_o reason_n can_v be_v give_v why_o catholic_n shall_v not_o see_v that_o pretend_a light_n if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o page_n 90_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a make_v not_o scripture_n their_o only_a rule_n of_o faith_n in_o condemn_v the_o arian_n heresy_n page_n 125_o the_o scripture_n prerogative_n above_o the_o church_n page_n 60_o 64_o scripture_n in_o a_o proper_a sense_n no_o first_o principle_n p._n 51_o 90_o 114_o 118_o 119_o succession_n st._n james_n not_o successor_n to_o our_o lord_n in_o the_o principality_n of_o his_o church_n page_n 205_o our_o saviour_n prayer_n luc._n 22._o 32._o effectual_o extend_v both_o to_o st._n peter_n and_o his_o successor_n page_n 208_o lawful_a pastor_n visible_o succeed_v each_o other_o and_o handing_z down_o the_o same_o 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