Selected quad for the lemma: opinion_n

Word A Word B Word C Word D Occurrence Frequency Band MI MI Band Prominent
opinion_n body_n bread_n transubstantiation_n 642 5 10.9009 5 true
View all documents for the selected quad

Text snippets containing the quad

ID Title Author Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication) STC Words Pages
A10442 A confutation of a sermon, pronou[n]ced by M. Iuell, at Paules crosse, the second Sondaie before Easter (which Catholikes doe call Passion Sondaie) Anno D[omi]ni .M.D.LX. By Iohn Rastell M. of Art, and studient in diuinitie Rastell, John, 1532-1577. 1564 (1564) STC 20726; ESTC S102930 140,275 370

There are 4 snippets containing the selected quad. | View original text

do_v you_o may_v be_v poison_v the_o host_n may_v chaunse_v not_o to_o be_v consecrate_v and_o then_o allege_v there_o be_v dawnger_n of_o idolatry_n and_o so_o the_o people_n shall_v be_v dimiss_v with_o scruple_n of_o conscience_n as_o m._n juell_n understand_v the_o schoolman_n which_o be_v nothing_o so_o ▪_o for_o the_o conclusion_n of_o school_n and_o answer_v unto_o that_o objection_n which_o master_n juell_n allege_v be_v that_o the_o people_n be_v withowt_n all_o danger_n in_o so_o much_o that_o the_o opinion_n of_o worshyp_v the_o sacrament_n under_o a_o condition_n be_v refuse_v of_o the_o best_a learn_v now_o as_o concern_v duns_n and_o durand_n master_n juell_n report_v of_o they_o by_o these_o word_n that_o they_o thowght_fw-mi it_o best_o to_o remove_v away_o the_o bread_n juell_n and_o to_o bring_v in_o transubstantiation_n for_o it_o be_v remain_v the_o substance_n of_o 〈…〉_o and_o how_o 〈◊〉_d unto_o 〈◊〉_d what_o be_v he_o which_o ●●●ring_v 〈◊〉_d word_n and_o know_v neither_o the_o place_n where_o dun●_n and_o durand_n say_v 〈◊〉_d or_o any_o good_a learn_v beside_o wol●_n not_o 〈…〉_o duns_n and_o durand_n do_v so_o cast_v their_o head_n to_o gather_v as_o thowgh_a they_o be_v able_a to_o bring_v th●●●_n opinion_n in_o to_o the_o article_n of_o owr_n crede_fw-la and_o as_o thowgh_a transubstantiation_n be_v invent_v and_o authorise_v by_o they_o and_o not_o rather_o confirm_v by_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o christ._n it_o be_v a_o shameful_a kind_n of_o lye_v when_o the_o true_a orderer_n of_o christ_n his_o church_n shall_v be_v suppress_v with_o silens_fw-la and_o when_o the_o ve●●tyes_n of_o the_o catholyke_a faith_n shall_v be_v attribute_v unto_o the_o disputation_n of_o schoolman_n saint_n thomas_n indeed_o have_v this_o argument_n 2._o that_o it_o be_v against_o the_o worship_v of_o the_o sacrament_n if_o any_o crea●ed_a substance_n which_o may_v not_o be_v worship_v with_o godly_a honour_n shall_v be_v there_o ergo_fw-la say_v he_o no_o substance_n of_o bread_n remain_v against_o which_o reason_n of_o he_o duns_n and_o durand_n both_o do_v argue_v very_o busy_o and_o they_o do_v think_v that_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n may_v be_v grant_v to_o remain_v and_o yet_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n may_v be_v worship_v in_o the_o sacrament_n withowt_n all_o danger_n of_o idolatry_n note_n therefore_o m._n juell_n as_o cunning_a as_o he_o make_v himself_o in_o duns_n and_o durand_n do_v so_o far_o and_o fowlie_a go_v ●●de_v of_o their_o meaning_n and_o opinion_n that_o they_o argue_v the_o plain_a contrary_n unto_o that_o which_o he_o report_v of_o they_o for_o whereas_o he_o interprete_v then_o say_n after_o thi●_n manner_n juell_n that_o for_o avoid_v of_o idolatry_n in_o the_o sacrament_n the_o substance_n of_o bread_n must_v be_v remove_v they_o reason_v a_o plain_a contrary_a way_n ▪_o and_o argue_v their_o obedience_n unto_o the_o church_n always_o reserve_v that_o for_o all_o the_o remain_v of_o ●read_n durand_n yet_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n may_v be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o withowt_n danger_n honour_v but_o they_o speak_v therein_o like_o schoolman_n and_o also_o like_o adversary_n of_o saint_n thomas_n who_o argument_n ▪_o while_o they_o discuss_v to_o the_o uttermost_a ▪_o they_o have_v fall_v some_o time_n in_o to_o the_o suspicion_n either_o of_o envy_n or_o curiosity_n and_o see_v again_o how_o little_a it_o hang_v together_o that_o which_o m._n juell_n will_v father_n upon_o they_o if_o there_o be_v any_o substance_n of_o bread_n in_o the_o sacrament_n juell_n say_v master_n juell_n in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o duns_n and_o durand_n there_o must_v be_v danger_n of_o idolatry_n ergo_fw-la by_o transubstantiation_n let_v we_o take_v the_o substance_n of_o bread_n away_o and_o then_o will_v all_o thing_n be_v safe_a and_o su●e_a and_o the_o people_n shall_v be_v clean_o void_a of_o jeopardy_n but_o how_o can_v this_o sense_n and_o conclusion_n seem_v agreeable_a to_o a_o school_n man_n for_o if_o as_o m._n juell_n have_v tell_v we_o out_o of_o their_o write_n there_o be_v danger_n of_o idolatry_n when_o consecration_n be_v omit_v how_o much_o have_v duns_n holpen_v the_o people_n by_o bring_v in_o of_o transubstantiation_n where_o as_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n never_o so_o much_o take_v away_o yet_o there_o may_v lack_v consecration_n and_o that_o fail_v as_o master_n juell_n ween_v idolatry_n may_v be_v commit_v and_o duns_n and_o durand_n shall_v miss_v of_o their_o purpose_n for_o which_o they_o devyse_v transubstantiation_n wherefore_o i_o wonder_v at_o the_o liberty_n which_o master_n juell_n take_v upon_o he_o in_o make_v as_o please_v he_o free_a report_n upon_o the_o learned_a as_o thowgh_a they_o be_v easy_a to_o be_v understand_v or_o he_o have_v ever_o great_a mind_n to_o read_v they_o or_o as_o thowgh_a his_o report_n be_v of_o such_o authority_n that_o as_o he_o say_v so_o it_o must_v be_v in_o they_o now_o as_o concern_v saint_n thomas_n which_o prove_v that_o no_o bread_n do_v remain_v in_o the_o sacrament_n because_o godly_a honour_n be_v give_v unto_o it_o the_o authority_n and_o present_a practice_n of_o the_o church_n do_v move_v he_o thereunto_o as_o though_o he_o shall_v say_v on_o this_o wise_a the_o church_n do_v geve_v godly_a honour_n unto_o that_o transubstantiation_n which_o be_v under_o the_o form_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n but_o no_o godly_a honour_n be_v due_a unto_o any_o pure_a creature_n ergo_fw-la except_o the_o church_n shall_v commit_v idolatry_n which_o be_v impossible_a not_o other_o substance_n beside_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n can_v be_v contain_v in_o the_o sacrament_n in_o which_o his_o conclusion_n the_o honour_n which_o the_o church_n give_v to_o the_o sacrament_n be_v sufficient_a unto_o he_o to_o infer_v that_o no_o bread_n remain_v and_o not_o his_o desire_n to_o have_v the_o sacrament_n worship_v be_v the_o motyve_a and_o occasion_n to_o invent_v that_o no_o bread_n remain_v for_o to_o speak_v the_o truth_n the_o schoolman_n as_o they_o be_v for_o the_o great_a part_n man_n of_o excellent_a wit_n and_o holiness_n so_o thorowghe_o the_o ghift_n of_o understanding_n and_o cumpass_v weighty_a matter_n they_o go_v very_o far_o in_o search_v out_o the_o treasure_n of_o all_o divinity_n and_o yet_o thorowgh_n the_o grace_n of_o holiness_n which_o qualify_v their_o deep_a invention_n they_o always_o submit_v their_o conclusion_n unto_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o catholyke_a church_n in_o so_o much_o that_o if_o a_o thousand_o dunce_n and_o durande_n shall_v so_o decide_v this_o question_n and_o matter_n as_o master_v juell_n report_v of_o they_o yet_o need_v not_o the_o catholyke_a for_o that_o cause_n to_o be_v trouble_v or_o the_o heretyke_a crake_v of_o any_o victory_n against_o the_o practice_n and_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n but_o let_v we_o behold_v how_o master_n juell_n play_v the_o school_n man_n and_o utter_v such_o a_o insight_n in_o the_o sacrament_n as_o the_o great_a doctor_n for_o subtilitye_n have_v never_o mark_v throwgh_n their_o dulness_n for_o upon_o this_o which_o he_o suppose_v duns_n and_o durand_n to_o say_v the_o sacrament_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v ergo_fw-la no_o bread_n must_v be_v remain_v he_o infer_v a_o contrary_a conclusion_n juell_n as_o that_o there_o be_v bread_n remain_v ergo_fw-la it_o must_v not_o be_v worship_v wherein_o both_o the_o argument_n conclude_v not_o if_o he_o will_v follow_v duns_n and_o durand_n and_o the_o formar_n proposition_n be_v heretical_a if_o he_o will_v submit_v his_o understanding_n unto_o the_o catholyke_a church_n the_o argument_n i_o say_v and_o the_o consequence_n be_v nawght_fw-mi because_o for_o sooth_n by_o his_o doctor_n duns_n and_o durand_n the_o school_n man_n for_o all_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n remain_v yet_o may_v the_o sacrament_n be_v adore_v and_o worship_v but_o that_o be_v one_o doctor_n opinion_n then_o also_o his_o antedent_n be_v false_a because_o the_o church_n have_v so_o receive_v and_o tawght_fw-mi we_o that_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n be_v clean_o convert_v and_o as_o concern_v master_n juell_n his_o profess_v of_o his_o antecedent_n where_o as_o he_o allege_v saint_n augustyne_n in_o a_o sermon_n of_o his_o ad_fw-la insante_n say_v that_o which_o you_o see_v upon_o the_o table_n be_v bread_n it_o do_v conclude_v that_o the_o other_o thing_n which_o we_o believe_v to_o be_v under_o those_o form_n of_o bread_n be_v not_o christ_n his_o natural_a body_n and_o i_o trow_v saint_n augustyne_n do_v not_o mean_v such_o bread_n to_o be_v there_o as_o childerne_a spread_v their_o butter_n upon_o for_o it_o be_v write_v by_o the_o same_o bless_a doctor_n prosperi_n we_o honour_v thing_n which_o we_o see_v not_o that_o be_v to_o say_v flessh_v and_o blood_n in_o the_o form_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n which_o we_o see_v the_o church_n also_o herself_o fear_v not_o to_o
call_v the_o sacrament_n bread_n 〈…〉_o which_o yet_o condemn_v all_o lutheran_n and_o zuin_n glean_v and_o she_o call_v the_o sacrament_n bread_n because_o the_o sacrament_n have_v the_o form_n of_o bread_n and_o because_o bread_n in_o the_o scripture_n signifi_v any_o food_n and_o because_o christ_n his_o body_n be_v in_o deed_n true_a bread_n and_o bread_n of_o life_n and_o heavenly_a bread_n therefore_o because_o it_o be_v call_v bread_n upon_o that_o only_o to_o conclude_v that_o it_o contynu_v baker_n bread_n it_o be_v the_o argument_n of_o thinker_n tailor_n and_o cobbler_n and_o not_o of_o learned_a scholar_n then_o as_o concern_v gelasius_n which_o say_v that_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n or_o nature_n of_o wine_n do_v not_o cease_v to_o be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n he_o expownd_v he_o self_n by_o that_o which_o follow_v straight_o after_o in_o th●_n same_o sentence_n add_v these_o plain_a word_n but_o they_o remain_v in_o the_o propriety_n of_o their_o nature_n which_o propriety_n be_v these_o follow_v whiteness_n thickness_n bread_v weight_n taste_n and_o power_n to_o norissh_v and_o feed_v the_o body_n with_o such_o like_a which_o he_o call_v the_o substance_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n and_o more_o playnelie_o the_o property_n of_o their_o nature_n the_o like_a be_v to_o be_v answer_v unto_o theodoretus_n which_o say_v that_o christ_n honour_v the_o bread_n and_o wine_n which_o we_o see_v contrahaerese_n with_o the_o name_n of_o his_o body_n and_o blood_n not_o cha_v the_o nature_n of_o they_o that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o natural_a propriety_n because_o in_o all_o point_n it_o appear_v unto_o owr_a eye_n to_o be_v even_o as_o it_o be_v before_o consecration_n but_o join_v grace_n unto_o that_o nature_n over_o and_o above_o all_o this_o a_o most_o true_a and_o ready_a answer_n be_v that_o the_o faithful_a do_v consider_v always_o not_o what_o one_o or_o two_o do_v say_v but_o what_o the_o whole_a cumpanye_n of_o learned_a man_n or_o the_o great_a part_n do_v testify_v again_o before_o the_o church_n have_v express_v it_o and_o open_v by_o her_o sentence_n the_o manner_n of_o christ_n his_o be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n it_o be_v no_o heresy_n if_o proud_a obstinacy_n do_v not_o make_v it_o to_o say_v that_o bread_n remain_v or_o that_o it_o vanish_v in_o to_o nothing_o because_o both_o opinion_n do_v hold_v with_o real_a presence_n and_o the_o author_n of_o they_o be_v content_v to_o yield_v unto_o their_o better_n judgement_n and_o so_o if_o we_o shall_v grant_v unto_o the_o heret●kes_n that_o which_o they_o do_v require_v about_o gelasius_n or_o theodoretus_n they_o both_o defend_v the_o real_a presence_n it_o be_v no_o small_a matter_n against_o the_o heretic_n other_o opinion_n and_o it_o be_v nothing_o at_o all_o against_o the_o catholykes_n but_o in_o these_o dare_v now_o when_o it_o have_v be_v decree_v according_a unto_o scripture_n lateranese_n and_o ancient_a father_n in_o a_o general_a council_n that_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n be_v convert_v in_o to_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n now_o to_o deny_v transubstantiation_n and_o to_o revyle_v the_o decree_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n this_o be_v great_o against_o the_o faith_n and_o this_o be_v it_o which_o make_v heretic_n s._n cyprian_n which_o defend_v the_o rebaptise_v of_o they_o who_o heretic_n have_v baptize_v before_o be_v no_o heretyke_a in_o so_o do_v because_o the_o question_n be_v not_o then_o determine_v by_o the_o church_n unto_o who_o judgement_n he_o submit_v his_o learning_n and_o authority_n but_o now_o if_o it_o shall_v come_v in_o to_o a_o idle_a head_n to_o bring_v that_o bless_a martyr_n reason_n and_o to_o withstand_v the_o catholic_a church_n he_o shall_v do_v nothing_o else_o in_o wise_a man_n judgement_n but_o declare_v his_o own_o vain_a gloriouse_a folly_n and_o yet_o i_o do_v not_o ne_o will_v not_o use_v this_o defence_n but_o plain_o answer_v that_o gelasius_n and_o theodoretus_n do_v mean_v well_o and_o speak_v as_o papist_n may_v do_v that_o the_o substance_n or_o natural_a property_n of_o bread_n remain_v that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o same_o quantity_n virtue_n and_o quality_n which_o it_o have_v before_o the_o consecration_n wherefore_o to_o conclude_v the_o clean_a contrary_n unto_o master_n juells_n assertion_n i_o say_v that_o neither_o the_o ancient_a doctor_n do_v affirm_v that_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n remain_v understand_v by_o substance_n the_o essential_a and_o internal_a form_n or_o nature_n of_o bread_n neither_o duns_n and_o durand_n do_v say_v that_o if_o bread_n remain_v there_o be_v danger_n of_o idolatry_n far_o yet_o the_o schoolman_n say_v quod_fw-la m._n juell_n juell_n that_o if_o a_o man_n happen_v to_o worship_v the_o accident_n of_o bread_n idolatry_n may_v be_v do_v to_o the_o sacrament_n no_o good_a sir_n not_o to_o the_o sacrament_n but_o to_o the_o accident_n wherein_o if_o fault_n shall_v be_v commit_v it_o be_v not_o the_o fault_n of_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n but_o of_o the_o silence_n of_o priest_n or_o simplicity_n of_o the_o people_n neither_o be_v adoration_n therefore_o to_o be_v forbid_a but_o the_o manner_n of_o adoration_n be_v discretelie_o to_o be_v open_v while_o owr_a saviour_n himself_o walk_v visible_o upon_o the_o earth_n if_o one_o shall_v have_v worship_v his_o very_a face_n or_o garment_n not_o able_a to_o distinct_a between_o the_o two_o nature_n of_o god_n and_o man_n neither_o in_o what_o diversity_n and_o degree_n the_o face_n and_o the_o garment_n appertein_a unto_o oneself_o same_o person_n whereas_o in_o truth_n it_o be_v idolatry_n to_o worship_v that_o face_n with_o godly_a honour_n in_o that_o respect_n and_o consideration_n as_o it_o be_v only_o a_o holy_a and_o graciouse_a visaige_a of_o a_o right_n excellent_a and_o perfect_a man_n because_o herein_o may_v be_v danger_n shall_v we_o not_o worship_v jesus_n christ_n at_o all_o or_o not_o worship_v he_o before_o we_o understand_v the_o distinction_n between_o latria_n and_o dulia_n that_o be_v honour_v due_a and_o proper_a unto_o god_n and_o honour_n which_o may_v be_v geaven_v unto_o any_o holy●_n creature_n o_o miserable_a people_n say_v master_n juell_n that_o thus_o be_v lead_v to_o worship_n they_o know_v not_o what_o for_o alas_o how_o many_o of_o they_o piety_n understand_v these_o distinction_n or_o care_n for_o they_o how_o many_o of_o they_o understand_v after_o what_o sort_n accidentia_fw-la be_v sine_fw-la subiecto_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o o_o miserable_a world_n say_v i_o also_o then_o and_z alas_o alas_o that_o any_o wise_a man_n shall_v be_v so_o take_v to_o think_v that_o what_o so_o ever_o be_v conclude_v in_o school_n shall_v be_v open_v in_o the_o pulpite_n alas_o alas_o the_o church_n do_v teach_v open_o that_o the_o father_n be_v unbegotten_a the_o son_n only_o beget_v the_o holy_a ghost_n procede_v and_o this_o who_o so_o ever_o do_v not_o believe_v shall_v not_o be_v save_v o_o miseserable_a people_n that_o this_o be_v lead_v to_o believe_v they_o know_v not_o what_o for_o what_o know_v they_o or_o what_o care_n have_v they_o of_o procede_v or_o beget_v or_o how_o can_v they_o understand_v those_o mystery_n of_o the_o school_n man_n as_o for_o example_n christ_n take_v the_o nature_n of_o man_n he_o take_v not_o the_o person_n of_o man_n as_o concern_v christ_n his_o person_n god_n die_v for_o man_n as_o concern_v the_o divine_a nature_n god_n can_v not_o die_v and_o he_o which_o beleve_v not_o those_o thing_n shall_v never_o be_v save_v o_o miserable_a people_n that_o this_o be_v l●●d_v to_o believe_v they_o know_v not_o what_o for_o which_o of_o they_o understand_v the_o distinction_n between_o substance_n and_o person_n but_o what_o shall_v we_o say_v must_v the_o learned_a man_n of_o the_o church_n o_o master_n juell_n believe_v no_o more_o than_o the_o people_n be_v able_a to_o conceive_v or_o because_o the_o people_n understand_v not_o what_o be_v accidence_n or_o what_o be_v substance_n or_o what_o be_v quantity_n or_o quality_n relation_n or_o action_n be_v it_o therefore_o no_o matter_n whether_o it_o be_v fish_n or_o flesh_n square_a or_o round_o white_a or_o black_a worldly_a or_o everlasting_a for_o the_o 〈◊〉_d this_o be_v sufficient_a to_o believe_v that_o christ_n be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n under_o form_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n the_o bread_n b●●ng_v chainge_v by_o his_o almightiness_n in_o to_o his_o bo●●e_n and_o the_o wine_n in_o to_o his_o blood_n or_o if_o some_o can_v not_o bear_v away_o all_o this_o let_v he_o clean_o to_o the_o catholyke_a faith_n and_o hold_v up_o his_o hand_n at_o sacring_a as_o other_o do_v and_o believe_v more_o excellent_a thing_n to_o be_v present_a then_o he_o selue_fw-mi can_v see_v or_o feel_v and_o be_v content_a to_o be_v reform_v if_o perchaunse_v he_o shall_v be_v in_o any_o error_n and_o god_n will_v 〈◊〉_d
by_o many_o miracle_n that_o have_v be_v well_o know_v unto_o the_o church_n not_o hasty_o to_o judge_v of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n with_o who_o you_o be_v not_o so_o well_o acquaint_v as_o saint_n benet_n be_v but_o humble_o and_o reverent_o to_o hear_v the_o miracle_n of_o god_n in_o his_o saint_n and_o to_o confess_v that_o m._n juell_n do_v not_o know_v all_o thing_n where_o you_o have_v it_o that_o saint_n benet_n do_v geve_v the_o communion_n unto_o a_o dead_a woman_n i_o know_v not_o very_o but_o saint_n gregory_n report_v a_o like_a thing_n of_o he_o 24._o that_o a_o lad_n of_o saint_n benet_n his_o monasterye_n depart_v unto_o his_o parent_n without_o the_o blessing_n of_o saint_n benet_n and_o before_o his_o return_n depart_v also_o the_o world_n after_o he_o be_v commit_v to_o the_o earth_n the_o next_o day_n he_o be_v cast_v up_o again_o where_o upon_o saint_n benet_n after_o moan_v make_v unto_o he_o send_v the_o communion_n and_o will_v it_o to_o be_v put_v upon_o the_o breast_n of_o the_o lad_n after_o which_o do●e_n there_o be_v no_o more_o trouble_n which_o thing_n be_v so_o sad_o write_v by_o saint_n gregory_n we_o may_v not_o well_o lawgh_fw-mi at_o it_o and_o the_o same_o find_v no_o fault_n with_o the_o matter_n let_v not_o we_o murmur_v against_o the_o work_n and_o inspiration_n of_o god_n in_o deed_n it_o be_v not_o for_o every_o man_n so_o to_o do_v but_o when_o so_o singular_a virtuous_a man_n be_v move_v thereunto_o and_o when_o a_o great_a effect_n do_v follow_v we_o must_v judge_v that_o god_n be_v the_o author_n thereof_o and_o that_o the_o party_n do_v it_o not_o upon_o his_o own_o opinion_n and_o boldness_n the_o which_o answer_n serve_v also_o satyri_fw-la that_o we_o be_v not_o to_o bold_a in_o condemn_v any_o one_o his_o devotion_n and_o faith_n which_o use_v the_o sacrament_n for_o his_o defence_n in_o any_o kind_n of_o cause_n for_o s._n ambrose_n praise_v his_o brother_n satyrus_n which_o mind_v to_o go_v over_o the_o sea_n do_v take_v of_o the_o christian_n which_o be_v in_o the_o ship_n with_o he_o the_o sacrament_n and_o hang_v it_o about_o his_o neck_n whereupon_o afterwards_o when_o a_o tempest_n do_v rise_v and_o break_v the_o ship_n he_o commit_v himself_o to_o the_o defence_n of_o christ_n in_o his_o sacrament_n and_o so_o miraculouslye_o escape_v drown_v and_o like_v as_o saint_n peter_n take_v comfort_n and_o strength_n of_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n 14._o say_v lord_n if_o thou_o be_v he_o bid_v i_o come_v unto_o the_o upon_o the_o water_n and_o do_v walk_v upon_o they_o as_o upon_o firm_a land_n so_o the_o catholic_n which_o certain_o believe_v that_o this_o be_v he_o himself_o who_o they_o see_v cover_v under_o form_n of_o bread_n although_o he_o be_v always_o present_a yet_o they_o be_v more_o out_o of_o fear_n when_o they_o have_v he_o within_o their_o hand_n and_o reach_v and_o throwgh_n the_o grace_n which_o come_v from_o he_o they_o walk_v secure_o and_o peaceable_o as_o contrary_a wise_n unto_o other_o which_o doubt_n of_o christ_n his_o word_n and_o make_v such_o a_o sense_n of_o they_o as_o they_o be_v able_a without_o difficulty_n to_o attain_v unto_o say_v that_o he_o be_v present_a by_o a_o certain_a conceive_v thowght_fw-mi of_o we_o and_o remembrance_n only_o i_o wondre_fw-fr not_o if_o it_o seem_v folly_n unto_o such_o to_o make_v any_o store_n of_o the_o sacrament_n or_o to_o reserve_v it_o for_o a_o stay_n of_o their_o waver_a faith_n in_o jeopardy_n for_o what_o be_v bread_n but_o bread_n and_o what_o can_v it_o do_v more_o than_o comfort_v the_o body_n but_o now_o again_o because_o in_o s._n benet_n his_o time_n more_o beside_o he_o as_o m._n juell_n collect_v do_v geve_v the_o sacrament_n even_o unto_o dead_a person_n ergo_fw-la they_o certain_o do_v confess_v a_o more_o lively_a real_a mighty_a and_o bless_a thing_n therein_o to_o be_v than_o our_o protestants_n will_v admit_v so_o that_o put_v a_o side_n the_o question_n whether_o they_o do_v well_o therein_o or_o no_o yet_o this_o appear_v that_o they_o take_v the_o sacrament_n to_o be_v as_o christ_n have_v say_v his_o very_o own_o body_n and_o that_o faith_n be_v in_o the_o church_n within_o the_o five_o or_o six_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n which_o m._n juell_n receave_v for_o incorrupt_a but_o alas_o what_o if_o they_o juell_n which_o most_o of_o all_o defend_v the_o mass_n themselves_o find_v fault_n with_o the_o mass_n as_o albertus_n pigghius_n by_o name_n the_o great_a pillar_n of_o that_o part_n first_o i_o answer_v that_o the_o church_n do_v not_o take_v he_o for_o the_o great_a pillar_n in_o so_o much_o that_o in_o three_o or_o four_o point_n she_o note_v he_o to_o have_v have_v his_o error_n &_o a_o catholic_a faith_n be_v not_o bind_v unto_o any_o private_a man_n opinion_n but_o you_o be_v accustom_v to_o this_o kind_n then_o i_o say_v further_o that_o it_o appear_v hereby_o of_o what_o good_a conscience_n pigghius_n be_v who_o do_v not_o write_v for_o favour_n of_o his_o side_n or_o hatred_n of_o the_o contrary_n which_o if_o he_o have_v mind_v he_o will_v never_o have_v yield_v one_o inch_n unto_o a_o heretic_n which_o have_v that_o manner_n of_o stoutness_n that_o if_o one_o of_o they_o deny_v never_o so_o manifest_a a_o thing_n as_o for_o example_n that_o s._n peter_n be_v ever_o at_o rome_n upon_o which_o thing_n all_o writer_n agree_v upon_o althowghe_o they_o differ_v somewhat_o in_o the_o time_n but_o as_o i_o say_v be_v the_o thing_n never_o so_o manifest_a to_o the_o contrary_a of_o that_o which_o any_o of_o they_o do_v affirm_v or_o impugn_v yet_o will_v the_o rest_n defend_v he_o in_o their_o wise_n not_o perchance_o in_o allow_v the_o opinion_n assertion_n but_o in_o sa_v that_o it_o be_v a_o disputable_a question_n and_o so_o that_o be_v grant_v ergo_fw-la say_v they_o it_o be_v no_o matter_n of_o faith_n whether_o the_o one_o part_n or_o other_o be_v take_v but_o the_o catholic_n because_o they_o be_v plain_a they_o do_v utter_v their_o own_o opinion_n and_o nothing_o dissemble_v with_o the●r_a fellow_n if_o it_o be_v not_o true_a wherein_o they_o be_v suffer_v so_o to_o reason_v one_o against_o a_o other_o that_o they_o be_v both_o of_o they_o obedient_a unto_o the_o church_n who_o voice_n we_o do_v harken_v unto_o &_o not_o what_o albertus_n pigghius_n say_v three_o they_o i_o answer_v that_o more_o beside_o pigghius_n confess_v abuse_v to_o have_v creep_v into_o the_o service_n of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o appear_v by_o the_o catholic_n canonicis_fw-la which_o consult_v upon_o reformation_n of_o disorder_n in_o a_o certain_a meeting_n at_o ausburg_n also_o ●●ofmesterus_a in_o the_o expound_v of_o the_o mass_n service_n deme_v not_o but_o some_o trifle_n have_v be_v put_v in_o but_o what_o abuse_n &_o trifle_n do_v he_o mean_a forsooth_o such_o as_o be_v in_o some_o prose_n antiphony_n repetition_n and_o rehersall_n of_o thing_n not_o autentike_a which_o be_v in_o deed_n in_o the_o compass_n of_o the_o mass_n but_o be_v the_o outward_a garment_n as_o it_o be_v of_o the_o body_n now_o whereas_o you_o say_v that_o pigghius_n have_v find_v out_o error_n and_o abuse_n in_o the_o mass_n it_o make_v a_o catholic_a man_n to_o fear_v by_o and_o by_o lest_o that_o either_o by_o pigghius_n opinion_n christ_n his_o body_n be_v not_o real_o present_a or_o be_v not_o to_o be_v adore_v &_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n be_v not_o to_o be_v use_v in_o the_o mass_n or_o water_n and_o wine_n not_o to_o be_v mengle_v or_o the_o bread_n not_o to_o be_v take_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o priest_n when_o he_o shall_v consecrat_v or_o lest_o some_o other_o thing_n worth_a the_o talk_n of_o be_v omit_v or_o abuse_v as_o for_o a_o versicle_n or_o lesson_n or_o some_o one_o ceremony_n there_o may_v be_v cause_n perchance_o to_o alter_v it_o and_o yet_o the_o mass_n continue_v never_o the_o worse_a and_o therefore_o true_o m._n juell_n seem_v unto_o i_o not_o to_o play_v a_o bold_a part_n and_o upright_o for_o whereas_o proper_o as_o he_o can_v not_o but_o know_v except_o he_o be_v to_o much_o unlearned_a whereas_o i_o say_v the_o mass_n be_v proper_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o new_a law_n be_v in_o the_o which_o christ_n his_o very_o own_o body_n be_v offer_v by_o himself_o throwgh_n the_o ministry_n of_o priest_n unto_o god_n his_o father_n for_o the_o purge_n preserve_v and_o beutify_v of_o his_o church_n m._n juell_n yet_o set_v himself_o to_o talk_v against_o the_o mass_n i_o will_v not_o speak_v say_v he_o of_o transubstantiation_n juell_n of_o real_a presence_n of_o sacrifice_n i_o be_o content_a to_o disavantage_n myself_o at_o this_o time_n in_o those_o thing_n but_o i_o will_v talk_v
all_o fowl_n of_o the_o air_n and_o to_o be_v short_a all_o creature_n be_v call_v upon_o to_o praise_n god_n may_v you_o wise_o now_o object_n and_o say_v the_o moon_n can_v not_o hear_v i_o the_o wild_a beast_n be_v never_o the_o soon_o obedient_a for_o i_o the_o bird_n will_v sing_v no_o loud_o for_o all_o i_o with_o prince_n of_o the_o earth_n what_o be_v there_o to_o do_v for_o i_o young_a m●n_z and_o virgin_n old_a man_n with_o youngling_n let_v they_o praise_v the_o name_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o who_o make_v i_o a_o officer_n to_o command_v so_o many_o i_o will_v go_v no_o further_o but_o brief_o will_v i_o conclude_v there_o be_v never_o kind_a of_o argument_n more_o pernicious_a worldling_n than_o this_o one_o to_o examine_v the_o devotion_n and_o prayer_n of_o good_a man_n by_o the_o rule_n of_o worldly_a civilitye_n and_o to_o jest_v at_o the_o homlines_n and_o heartiness_n of_o catholic_n when_o they_o speak_v to_o god_n as_o one_o friend_n will_v unto_o a_o other_o familiar_o or_o when_o they_o speak_v according_a to_o the_o world_n childishe_o or_o according_a to_o the_o nature_n of_o thing_n absurd_o off_o all_o which_o point_n you_o may_v find_v example_n in_o the_o book_n of_o cantica_fw-la canticorum_fw-la if_o ever_o you_o have_v either_o read_v they_o or_o can_v with_o all_o your_o wit_n understand_v they_o and_o then_o to_o bring_v those_o say_n before_o the_o people_n to_o be_v judge_n thereof_o which_o have_v no_o taste_n almost_o of_o heavenly_a thing_n it_o be_v most_o vain_a and_o unreasonable_a beside_o this_o he_o dosire_v god_n juell_n that_o a_o angel_n may_v come_v and_o carry_v christ_n his_o body_n away_o into_o heaven_n what_o a_o fable_n be_v this_o that_o christ_n shall_v be_v bear_v upon_o a_o angel_n and_o so_o carry_v up_o away_o into_o heaven_n it_o be_v beside_o the_o person_n of_o he_o which_o have_v be_v bring_v up_o among_o learned_a man_n and_o for_o opinion_n of_o learning_n and_o gravity_n be_v call_v a_o bishop_n so_o to_o dissemble_v and_o so_o to_o counterfaict_v the_o vice_n in_o make_v of_o sport_n with_o a_o fable_n of_o his_o own_o and_o first_o the_o canon_n be_v not_o true_o english_v in_o this_o part_n which_o he_o jest_v at_o for_o the_o word_n of_o the_o latin_a canon_n be_v these_o report_n jube_fw-la haec_fw-la perferri_fw-la per_fw-la manus_fw-la sancti_fw-la angeli_fw-la tui_fw-la in_o sublime_a altar_n tuum_fw-la which_o be_v to_o say_v command_v o_o lord_n these_o thing_n to_o be_v bring_v by_o the_o hand_n of_o thy_o holy_a angel_n in_o to_o thy_o high_a altar_n yet_o m._n juell_n to_o make_v more_o sport_n english_v perferri_fw-la to_o be_v carry_v away_o not_o to_o be_v bring_v or_o carry_v up_o as_o the_o truth_n be_v and_o because_o the_o canon_n make_v mention_n of_o the_o angel_n hand_n he_o fable_v as_o though_o christ_n shall_v be_v carry_v upon_o a_o angel_n back_n or_o shoulder_n or_o as_o though_o the_o catholic_a do_v mean_a that_o christ_n shall_v be_v bear_v upon_o a_o angel_n back_o and_o carry_v up_o away_o into_o heaven_n but_o what_o a_o fable_n be_v this_o say_v he_o for_o soothe_v a_o very_a foolish_a gross_a fable_n in_o deed_n invent_v by_o the_o devil_n and_o utter_v by_o melhoserus_fw-la and_o translate_v in_o to_o english_a by_o m._n juell_n a_o foolish_a gross_a fable_n i_o say_v because_o the_o church_n of_o god_n have_v no_o such_o carnal_a base_a understand_v of_o the_o place_n but_o desire_v god_n that_o by_o the_o ministry_n of_o angel_n which_o wait_v upon_o we_o and_o his_o mystery_n he_o will_v command_v the_o body_n of_o his_o son_n our_o lord_n to_o be_v carry_v up_o not_o according_a to_o the_o change_n of_o place_n but_o according_a to_o his_o gracious_a acceptation_n of_o our_o service_n in_o to_o his_o high_a altar_n which_o be_v heaven_n for_o think_v m._n juell_n that_o when_o the_o angel_n do_v carry_v up_o good_a man_n alm_n deade_v or_o their_o prayer_n or_o fasting_n or_o tear_n or_o any_o such_o like_a in_o to_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n that_o they_o make_v those_o thing_n up_o in_o fardel_n and_o cast_v they_o upon_o their_o back_n and_o make_v haste_n to_o heaven_n ward_n and_o there_o undo_v their_o pack_n spiritual_o for_o the_o word_n of_o carry_v up_o sound_v in_o the_o ear_n of_o a_o carnal_a man_n as_o though_o there_o be_v change_v of_o place_n there_o about_o or_o hevine_v of_o a_o burden_n or_o use_v of_o arm_n shoulder_n or_o back_o or_o some_o stay_n upon_o which_o the_o carriage_n may_v rest_v which_o member_n be_v not_o in_o angel_n and_o yet_o the_o scripture_n speak_v after_o the_o fashion_n of_o man_n testify_v our_o alm_n dede_n fasting_n and_o prayer_n to_o be_v carry_v up_o before_o the_o face_n of_o god_n in_o heaven_n and_o present_v before_o his_o majesty_n by_o the_o ministry_n of_o angel_n now_o if_o one_o do_v not_o understand_v the_o sense_n of_o those_o word_n right_o it_o be_v wisdom_n for_o he_o to_o hold_v his_o peace_n rather_o than_o to_o utter_v his_o grossness_n in_o understand_v they_o so_o base_o and_o folishelye_o especial_o whereas_o saint_n ambrose_n so_o bless_v and_o learn_v a_o doctor_n have_v like_o word_n unto_o these_o which_o m._n juell_n contemn_v sa_v in_o his_o book_n which_o he_o make_v of_o the_o sacrament_n 6._o we_o beseech_v the_o and_o pray_v the_o that_o thou_o will_v receive_v this_o oblation_n up_o to_o they_o high_a altar_n by_o the_o hand_n of_o thy_o angel_n as_o thou_o have_v vouchsafe_v to_o receive_v the_o gift_n of_o thy_o just_a servant_n abel_n and_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o our_o patriarch_n abraham_n and_o that_o which_o the_o high_a priest_n melchisedech_n offer_v up_o unto_o the._n loe_o sir_n if_o it_o please_v you_o to_o show_v the_o fineness_n of_o your_o wit_n you_o may_v find_v fault_n with_o saint_n ambrose_n and_o ask_v of_o your_o audience_n more_o foolish_a than_o yourself_o what_o a_o tale_n be_v this_o that_o the_o oblation_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v bear_v upon_o a_o angel_n on_o pick_v pack_n perchance_o and_o so_o carry_v up_o away_o into_o heaven_n but_o see_v the_o good_a nature_n of_o the_o man_n he_o confess_v his_o folly_n and_o say_v he_o will_v not_o stand_v so_o long_o upon_o they_o if_o force_n drive_v he_o not_o there_o unto_o but_o what_o force_n trow_v you_o audience_n i_o think_v because_o a_o wanton_a audience_n be_v most_o delit_v with_o jest_v against_o other_o and_o because_o a_o gross_a audience_n conceive_v thing_n speak_v after_o a_o carnal_a sort_n and_o think_v that_o preacher_n which_o so_o do_v to_o be_v a_o very_a 〈◊〉_d that_o to_o serve_v his_o audience_n he_o can_v not_o leave_v of_o so_o plausible_a a_o matter_n therefore_o say_v he_o after_o he_o have_v do_v his_o worst_a i_o leave_v to_o speak_v far_o of_o the_o canon_n juell_n geve_v you_o occasion_n by_o these_o few_o thing_n the_o better_a to_o judge_v of_o the_o rest_n which_o word_n i_o note_v because_o in_o deed_n as_o the_o whole_a canon_n may_v have_v be_v mistrust_v if_o any_o certain_a fault_n have_v be_v note_v in_o it_o so_o when_o with_o all_o his_o power_n and_o cunning_a he_o have_v speak_v the_o worst_a and_o yet_o have_v reprove_v nothing_o but_o his_o own_o misunderstanding_n a_o imagination_n which_o he_o feign_v to_o be_v in_o the_o canon_n therefore_o we_o may_v judge_v all_o well_o of_o the_o rest_n when_o no_o evil_n be_v find_v in_o those_o point_n which_o he_o take_v to_o be_v far_a from_o the_o best_a the_o ●owerth_o matter_n that_o remain_v to_o be_v tow●hed_v juell_n be_v the_o adoration_n it_o be_v agreeable_a with_o the_o rest_n of_o their_o doctrine_n and_o it_o follow_v consequentlye_o that_o no_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n there_o shall_v be_v no_o adoration_n use_v at_o all_o so_o that_o the_o very_a sure_a way_n to_o disprove_v adoration_n be_v to_o disprove_v the_o real_a presence_n which_o because_o they_o can_v not_o do_v against_o so_o manifest_a word_n of_o our_o saviour_n therefore_o how_o so_o ever_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o presence_n do_v stand_v yet_o will_v they_o assay_v to_o take_v away_o the_o worship_v or_o adore_v of_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n but_o that_o be_v do_v with_o so_o light_a and_o unfytt_n argument_n that_o they_o may_v serve_v by_o change_v of_o a_o few_o word_n against_o all_o kind_n of_o order_n in_o the_o church_n and_o consequentlye_o of_o owr_a faith_n for_o what_o be_v it_o that_o you_o say_v good_a master_n i_o against_o adoration_n christ_n say_v he_o which_o know_v best_o what_o owght_fw-mi to_z be_v do_v juell_n when_o he_o ordain_v and_o deliver_v the_o sacrament_n of_o his_o body_n and_o blood_n give_v no_o commandment_n that_o any_o man_n shall_v fall_v down_o to_o