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A07967 The Christians manna. Or A treatise of the most blessed and reuerend sacrament of the Eucharist Deuided into tvvo tracts. Written by a Catholike deuine, through occasion of Monsieur Casaubon his epistle to Cardinal Peron, expressing therin the graue and approued iudgment of the Kings Maiesty, touching the doctrine of the reall presence in the Eucharist. R. N., fl. 1613. 1613 (1613) STC 18334; ESTC S113011 204,123 290

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pretend_v when_o first_o it_o afore_o it_o when_o first_o it_o begin_v i_o know_v well_o that_o most_o of_o the_o vulgar_a sacramentary_n diwlge_v in_o their_o writing_n that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n first_o come_v in_o in_o the_o lateran_n council_n hold_v under_o innocentius_n the_o 3._o yea_o doctor_n whitaker_n himself_o be_v not_o ashamed_a to_o teach_v so_o much_o lib._n 7._o contra_fw-la duraeum_n pag._n 480._o the_o falsehood_n of_o which_o common_a error_n be_v by_o several_a mean_n discover_v first_o because_o that_o council_n be_v gather_v chief_o to_o condemn_v the_o contrary_a doctrine_n of_o berengarius_fw-la than_o first_o broach_v this_o heresy_n so_o as_o this_o council_n do_v then_o suppress_v and_o disallow_v all_o innovation_n of_o doctrine_n which_o very_a point_n be_v acknowledge_v by_o fox_n himself_o act_n and_o monurn_v pag._n 1121._o who_o thus_o there_o write_v about_o the_o year_n of_o our_o lord_n 1060._o the_o deny_v of_o 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