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A33359 Diocesan churches not yet discovered in the primitive times, or, A defence of the answer to Dr. Stillingfleets allegations out of antiquity for such churches against the exceptions offered in the preface to a late treatise called A vindication of the primitive church, where what is further produced out of Scripture and antient authors for diocesan churches is also discussed. Clarkson, David, 1622-1686. 1682 (1682) Wing C4571; ESTC R16204 84,843 132

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the_o principle_n and_o declaration_n of_o the_o ancients_n chrysostom_n ascribe_v to_o presbyter_n not_o only_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o power_n of_o order_n but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o power_n of_o government_n f_o giving_z this_o as_o the_o reason_n why_o the_o 11._o in_o 1_o tim._n jom_n 11._o apostle_n give_v the_o same_o rule_n for_o the_o order_n both_o of_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n there_o be_v but_o little_a difference_n betwixt_o they_o say_v he_o for_o they_o be_v ordain_v both_o to_o the_o teach_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o rule_v of_o the_o church_n now_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d denote_v jurisdiction_n or_o presidentiam_fw-la cum_fw-la potestate_fw-la and_o be_v as_o hesychius_n render_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v plain_a in_o chrysostome_n himself_o he_o tell_v we_o the_o apostle_n paul_n have_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 25._o 〈◊〉_d in_o 1_o cor._n hom._n 23._o &_o hom_o 25._o which_o he_o elsewhere_o express_v by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 25._o 〈◊〉_d in_o 2_o cor._n hom._n 25._o and_o speak_v of_o moses_n he_o say_v it_o be_v wonderful_a that_o he_o who_o be_v to_o be_v a_o ruler_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d shall_v be_v bear_v at_o such_o a_o time_n 16._o time_n in_o act._n hom._n 16._o theophilact_fw-mi make_v the_o difference_n as_o little_a between_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n and_o ascribe_v as_o much_o power_n to_o the_o late_a almost_o in_o the_o same_o word_n tim._n word_n in_o 1_o tim._n so_o theodoret_n declare_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d jurisdiction_n to_o belong_v to_o every_o presbyter_n 19_o presbyter_n in_o 1_o tim._n 5._o 19_o against_o a_o elder_a especial_o no_o less_o than_o two_o witness_n must_v be_v admit_v because_o he_o have_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n and_o in_o the_o exercise_n of_o it_o often_o grieve_v delinquent_n they_o be_v ill_o affect_v to_o he_o will_v be_v apt_a to_o bring_v false_a accusation_n and_o this_o be_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d include_v in_o the_o presbyter_n office_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o nazzanzen_n speak_v and_o much_o more_o to_o that_o purpose_n 1._o purpose_n orat._n 1._o and_o beside_o many_o other_o passage_n of_o like_a import_n the_o title_n of_o governor_n be_v all_o a_o long_a in_o ancient_a writer_n give_v to_o presbyter_n and_o all_o the_o expression_n which_o signify_v authority_n and_o government_n be_v ascribe_v to_o they_o thereby_o those_o that_o will_v curtail_v their_o power_n and_o make_v it_o no_o more_o of_o old_a than_o it_o be_v now_o be_v not_o a_o little_a encumber_a to_o extricate_v themselves_o a_o distinction_n be_v devise_v of_o a_o power_n internal_a and_o external_a the_o former_a they_o will_v allow_v to_o presbyter_n in_o their_o respective_a church_n not_o the_o late_a but_o this_o be_v devise_v to_o disentangle_v themselves_o and_o salve_v the_o deviation_n and_o irregularity_n of_o late_a time_n not_o that_o there_o be_v any_o ground_n for_o it_o in_o antiquity_n for_o the_o high_a act_n of_o that_o external_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n be_v excommunication_n and_o if_o this_o be_v in_o the_o presbyter_n power_n of_o old_a no_o other_o act_n of_o that_o power_n will_v or_o can_v in_o reason_n be_v deny_v they_o but_o this_o the_o ancients_n ascribe_v to_o they_o so_o jerome_n heliodorum_n jerome_n ad_fw-la heliodorum_n mihi_fw-la ante_fw-la presbyterum_fw-la sedere_fw-la non_fw-la licet_fw-la illi_fw-la si_fw-la peccavero_fw-la licet_fw-la i_o tradere_fw-la satanae_fw-la ad_fw-la interritum_fw-la carnis_fw-la ut_fw-la spiritus_fw-la salvus_fw-la sit_fw-la chrysostome_n threaten_v some_o of_o his_o auditory_a while_o he_o be_v a_o presbyter_n to_o excommunicate_v they_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d matth._n 〈◊〉_d hom._n 17._o in_o matth._n to_o wave_v all_o of_o like_a nature_n insist_v on_o by_o other_o justinian_n in_o the_o 6_o age_n signify_v plain_o that_o not_o only_a bishop_n but_o presbyter_n might_a excommunicate_a offender_n in_o his_o constitution_n he_o forbid_v bishop_n and_o presbyter_n to_o exclude_v any_o from_o communion_n till_o such_o cause_n be_v declare_v for_o which_o the_o canon_n appoint_v it_o to_o be_v do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n and_o will_v have_v the_o sentence_n of_o excommunication_n rescind_v which_o be_v pass_v by_o bishop_n or_o presbyter_n without_o cause_n 11._o cause_n novel_a 123._o c._n 11._o in_o the_o code_n both_o bishop_n and_o clergy_n be_v forbid_v to_o excommunicate_v in_o certain_a case_n and_o then_o mention_n the_o case_n for_o which_o they_o must_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d although_o they_o have_v be_v accustom_v to_o it_o clericis_fw-la it_o lex_fw-la 39_o sec._n 2._o tit._n de_fw-fr episc_n &_o clericis_fw-la now_o while_o presbyter_n have_v this_o power_n there_o can_v be_v no_o diocesan_n church_n whether_o they_o exercise_v it_o in_o common_a as_o be_v show_v before_o or_o particular_o in_o their_o several_a church_n as_o will_v now_o be_v make_v apparent_a for_o by_o virtue_n of_o these_o power_n the_o presbyter_n be_v real_o bishop_n though_o they_o have_v not_o always_o the_o title_n yea_o they_o be_v call_v bishop_n as_o a_o learned_a prelatist_n observe_v by_o the_o ancient_a author_n clemens_n ignatius_n tertullian_n 74._o tertullian_n thornd_v prim._n govern._n pag._n 73._o 74._o and_o have_v frequent_o the_o name_n and_o title_n which_o some_o will_v appropriate_v to_o bishop_n and_o which_o the_o father_n use_n to_o express_v the_o office_n of_o bishop_n by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d praepositi_fw-la antistites_fw-la praesidentes_fw-la 68_o praesidentes_fw-la idem_fw-la service_n pag._n 68_o etc._n etc._n and_o so_o there_o be_v as_o many_o bishop_n real_o in_o every_o diocese_n as_o there_o be_v particular_a church_n and_o presbyter_n there_o and_o well_o may_v they_o be_v say_v to_o be_v real_o the_o same_o since_o