the_o book_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n till_o mr._n arnaud_n have_v show_v they_o to_o be_v invalid_a page_n 1_o chap._n ii_o that_o the_o author_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n method_n may_v be_v just_o suspect_v to_o be_v deceitful_a and_o that_o his_o manner_n of_o assault_a mr._n aubertin_n book_n be_v disingenuous_a 8_o chap._n iii_o the_o three_o observation_n justify_v viz._n that_o the_o author_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n have_v be_v to_o blame_v in_o pretend_v to_o overthrow_v the_o proof_n contain_v in_o mr._n aubertin_n book_n by_o argument_n which_o can_v amount_v to_o no_o more_o than_o mere_a conjecture_n 15_o chap._n iv_o my_o four_o observation_n justify_v viz._n that_o we_o need_v but_o oppose_v our_o proof_n of_o fact_n against_o the_o author_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n argument_n to_o make_v they_o invalid_a 25_o chap._n v._o the_o pretend_a advantage_n which_o mr._n arnaud_n attribute_n to_o the_o treatise_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n examine_v 34_o chap._n vi_o a_o far_a 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proof_n take_v from_o that_o the_o greek_n in_o their_o transaction_n with_o the_o latin_n have_v ever_o keep_v to_o their_o general_a expression_n mr_n arnaud_n eight_o delusion_n discover_v 119_o chap._n iu_o the_o six_o proof_n take_v from_o the_o greek_n employ_v on_o other_o subject_n the_o same_o expression_n as_o on_o the_o eucharist_n mr._n arnaud_n ten_o illusion_n manifest_v 129_o chap._n v._o the_o seven_o proof_n draw_v from_o that_o the_o greek_n do_v not_o believe_v the_o particle_n of_o the_o virgin_n mary_n and_o the_o saint_n ought_v to_o be_v consecrate_a on_o the_o great_a altar_n as_o be_v that_o of_o our_o saviour_n and_o yet_o they_o distribute_v they_o to_o the_o people_n in_o the_o same_o manner_n as_o they_o do_v the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n mr._n arnaud_n ten_o fallacy_n lay_v open_a the_o eight_o proof_n draw_v from_o their_o believe_v that_o the_o eucharist_n consecrate_a on_o holy_a thursday_n have_v a_o great_a virtue_n than_o that_o which_o be_v consecrate_a at_o other_o time_n the_o nine_o proof_n take_v out_o of_o several_a passage_n of_o their_o liturgy_n 134_o chap._n vi_o the_o ten_o proof_n take_v from_o that_o the_o greek_n do_v often_o use_v a_o extenuate_a term_n when_o they_o call_v the_o eucharist_n the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n the_o eleven_o from_o their_o not_o believe_v the_o wicked_a who_o partake_v of_o the_o eucharist_n do_v receive_v the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n the_o twelve_o from_o their_o believe_v the_o dead_a and_o those_o in_o desert_n remote_a from_o all_o commerce_n do_v receive_v the_o same_o as_o we_o do_v in_o the_o communion_n 143_o chap._n vii_o that_o the_o greek_n adore_v not_o the_o sacrament_n with_o a_o adoration_n of_o latria_n as_o the_o latin_n do_v and_o consequent_o believe_v not_o transubstantiation_n the_o thirteen_o proof_n mr._n arnaud_n eleven_o illusion_n 152_o chap._n viii_o the_o fourteen_o proof_n take_v from_o that_o the_o greek_n when_o ever_o they_o argue_v 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she_o not_o carry_v it_o about_o in_o procession_n why_o not_o dedicate_v a_o particular_a festival_n to_o it_o mr._n arnaud_n may_v tell_v we_o as_o long_o as_o he_o please_v that_o there_o be_v no_o natural_a 78._o book_n 10._o chap._n 9_o pag._n 78._o coherence_n between_o these_o thing_n and_o the_o adoration_n that_o the_o institution_n of_o these_o ceremony_n be_v pious_a and_o commendable_a but_o no_o wise_a necessary_a and_o that_o the_o adoration_n may_v subsist_v without_o they_o as_o it_o do_v in_o effect_n in_o all_o the_o east_n when_o there_o be_v not_o a_o natural_a coherence_n between_o adoration_n and_o each_o of_o these_o particular_a custom_n yet_o will_v it_o be_v i_o think_v contrary_a to_o nature_n that_o the_o adoration_n shall_v subsist_v separate_v from_o all_o these_o thing_n in_o general_n see_v these_o be_v in_o a_o manner_n almost_o the_o same_o external_a mark_n of_o divine_a worship_n which_o people_n have_v ever_o render_v to_o some_o visible_a object_n what_o likelihood_n be_v there_o if_o the_o greek_n have_v the_o same_o sentiment_n as_o the_o latin_n touch_v this_o sacrament_n but_o they_o will_v adopt_v some_o one_o of_o these_o devotion_n which_o be_v so_o familiar_a to_o the_o latin_n especial_o those_o that_o approach_v the_o near_a their_o usual_a custom_n and_o which_o be_v moreover_o very_o proper_a to_o express_v this_o sovereign_a honour_n now_o in_o question_n as_o be_v that_o solemn_a feast_n call_v god_n festival_n with_o all_o its_o pomp._n but_o so_o far_o have_v they_o be_v from_o imitate_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o this_o particular_a that_o they_o have_v on_o the_o contrary_n show_v the_o great_a aversion_n to_o it_o as_o appear_v by_o the_o confession_n of_o metrophanus_n citropulus_n make_v at_o helmstad_n in_o the_o year_n 1625._o we_o carry_v not_o about_o the_o street_n say_v he_o this_o holy_a mystery_n unless_o dom._n confess_v eccles_n orient_n cap._n 9_o de_fw-la coena_fw-la dom._n it_o be_v to_o the_o sick_a it_o be_v not_o give_v we_o to_o make_v a_o show_n of_o it_o but_o to_o be_v religious_o receive_v for_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n all_o historian_n be_v agree_v that_o the_o russian_n do_v not_o observe_v this_o festival_n sigismond_n in_o his_o commentary_n touch_v moscovia_n and_o gagnin_n in_o his_o description_n of_o this_o same_o country_n do_v express_o take_v notice_n of_o it_o but_o that_o which_o most_o considerable_a be_v that_o when_o those_o among_o they_o who_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o king_n of_o poland_n be_v force_v to_o reunite_v themselves_o to_o the_o roman_a church_n which_o happen_v in_o the_o year_n 1595._o under_o pope_n clement_n the_o eight_o they_o make_v this_o contract_n that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v compel_v to_o make_v any_o procession_n on_o the_o ibid._n hâ—mber_n sum_n conir_fw-fr t._n 11._o tho._n à _fw-fr jesus_n lib_n 6._o p._n 3._o c._n 1._o thom._n â—_o jesus_n ibid._n festival_n of_o the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n because_o they_o have_v other_o custom_n among_o they_o in_o reference_n to_o the_o sacrament_n whereupon_o a_o learned_a man_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v consult_v give_v this_o answer_n that_o as_o to_o the_o carry_v or_o not_o carry_v of_o the_o sacrament_n about_o in_o procession_n that_o be_v not_o to_o be_v much_o regard_v but_o there_o be_v several_a other_o thing_n of_o great_a importance_n touch_v the_o sacrament_n to_o be_v consider_v this_o person_n although_o he_o speak_v not_o full_o his_o mind_n yet_o say_v enough_o to_o make_v we_o understand_v he_o for_o he_o mean_v if_o i_o mistake_v not_o that_o do_v the_o matter_n concern_v only_o the_o festival_n of_o the_o sacrament_n it_o signify_v little_a but_o that_o the_o unwillingness_n these_o people_n show_v to_o observe_v this_o feast_n do_v sufficient_o evidence_n they_o have_v not_o the_o same_o sentiment_n in_o the_o main_a with_o the_o latin_n touch_v the_o eucharist_n and_o in_o effect_n wherefore_o shall_v they_o refuse_v to_o observe_v this_o feast_n do_v they_o believe_v the_o sacrament_n to_o be_v the_o proper_a substance_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n and_o adore_v it_o with_o a_o adoration_n of_o latria_n be_v they_o afraid_a of_o give_v it_o too_o much_o honour_n why_o not_o conform_v in_o this_o particular_a with_o the_o roman_a church_n see_v they_o be_v reunite_v to_o she_o and_o have_v leave_v the_o greek_n be_v not_o this_o a_o evident_a token_n that_o the_o greek_n can_v accommodate_v themselves_o to_o the_o adoration_n practise_v by_o the_o latin_n nor_o consequent_o to_o the_o doctrine_n they_o teach_v and_o on_o which_o this_o adoration_n be_v establish_v but_o when_o what_o i_o say_v shall_v have_v no_o ground_n and_o the_o adoration_n may_v subsist_v without_o these_o ceremony_n mr._n arnaud_n ought_v at_o least_o to_o show_v we_o they_o
he_o and_o so_o much_o the_o more_o because_o mr._n arnaud_n acknowledge_v this_o cardinal_n be_v very_o hot_a in_o this_o dispute_n and_o on_o the_o other_o it_o be_v very_o uncertain_a whether_o the_o greek_n go_v so_o far_o as_o this_o consequence_n beside_o this_o i_o say_v the_o consequence_n itself_o be_v neither_o demonstrative_a nor_o unavoidable_a for_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v from_o a_o man_n deny_v the_o eucharist_n be_v digest_v and_o break_v once_o fast_o that_o he_o acknowledge_v no_o other_o substance_n than_o that_o of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n he_o may_v believe_v the_o substance_n of_o bread_n become_v incorruptible_a as_o soon_o as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o stomach_n and_o that_o it_o pass_v immediate_o without_o digestion_n into_o our_o substance_n according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o damascen_n zonaras_n and_o almost_o all_o the_o eastern_a church_n as_o we_o shall_v see_v hereafter_o for_o in_o humbert_n sense_n all_o food_n that_o break_v our_o fast_a be_v digest_v and_o pass_v into_o excrement_n as_o the_o common_a nourishment_n do_v whence_o i_o conclude_v that_o mr._n arnaud_n deceive_v we_o when_o he_o say_v this_o dispute_n do_v invincible_o prove_v the_o roman_a church_n then_o believe_v transubstantiation_n and_o that_o her_o belief_n be_v sufficient_o make_v know_v to_o the_o greek_n for_o neither_o one_o nor_o the_o other_o of_o these_o do_v hence_o necessary_o follow_v neither_o can_v it_o be_v thence_o conclude_v she_o believe_v the_o real_a presence_n i_o mean_v this_o local_a and_o physical_a presence_n of_o the_o proper_a substance_n of_o the_o natural_a body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n as_o she_o do_v believe_v it_o at_o this_o day_n nor_o that_o humbert_n think_v the_o greek_n believe_v it_o and_o this_o mr._n arnaud'_v last_o consequence_n be_v moreover_o find_v defective_a although_o this_o be_v not_o the_o point_n in_o question_n betwixt_o we_o for_o suppose_v the_o bread_n remain_v bread_n become_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n by_o way_n of_o augmentation_n of_o this_o body_n be_v unite_v to_o the_o divinity_n and_o receive_v by_o the_o holy_a spirit_n the_o impression_n of_o the_o inlve_a virtue_n which_o be_v jesus_n christ_n according_a to_o the_o sentiment_n of_o the_o greek_n humbert_n may_v without_o be_v think_v senseless_a or_o extravagant_a tell_v nicetas_n that_o in_o teach_v the_o eucharist_n break_v our_o fast_n he_o expose_v the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n to_o the_o condition_n of_o common_a food_n for_o although_o on_o this_o hypothesis_n the_o bread_n be_v not_o the_o body_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n in_o propriety_n of_o substance_n yet_o be_v it_o his_o body_n in_o such_o a_o manner_n that_o seem_v to_o exempt_v it_o from_o the_o quality_n of_o other_o food_n which_o be_v sufficient_a to_o occasion_n humbert_n reproach_n and_o render_v ineffectual_a all_o these_o little_a subtlety_n of_o mr._n arnaud_n i_o reply_v in_o my_o answer_n to_o the_o perpetuity_n that_o this_o dispute_n of_o humbert_n treatise_n answer_v to_o the_o second_o treatise_n and_o nicetas_n furnish_v we_o wherewith_o to_o show_v that_o the_o greek_n do_v not_o believe_v the_o transubstantiation_n of_o the_o latin_n forasmuch_o as_o nicetas_n maintain_v therein_o that_o the_o eucharist_n break_v our_o fast_a which_o suppose_v it_o conserves_n its_o first_o nature_n of_o corporeal_a aliment_n and_o that_o he_o believe_v it_o descend_v into_o the_o stomach_n like_o other_o food_n which_o moreover_o show_v he_o hold_v it_o still_o for_o real_a bread_n i_o strengthen_v this_o proposition_n by_o the_o testimony_n of_o humbert_n algerus_n and_o cellot_n the_o jesuit_n i_o add_v likewise_o that_o durand_n abbot_n of_o troarn_v tell_v we_o that_o those_o heretofore_o call_v stercoranists_n be_v the_o berengarian_o which_o be_v to_o say_v those_o hold_v the_o bread_n keep_v its_o first_o nature_n and_o i_o confirm_v my_o proof_n by_o several_a weighty_a consideration_n as_o that_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v imagine_v man_n that_o be_v christian_n will_v expose_v the_o proper_a substance_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n to_o these_o accident_n of_o corporeal_a food_n that_o this_o opinion_n will_v be_v inconsistent_a with_o that_o state_n of_o glory_n wherein_o we_o all_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v as_o also_o with_o that_o sacramental_a state_n wherein_o it_o be_v make_v to_o be_v in_o the_o eucharist_n mr._n arnaud_n find_v he_o can_v not_o establish_v his_o own_o proof_n apply_v himself_o to_o the_o refute_v of_o i_o and_o immediate_o make_v use_n of_o his_o privilege_n he_o single_v out_o what_o he_o please_v and_o leave_v the_o rest_n he_o take_v no_o notice_n of_o cellot_n the_o jesuit_n testimony_n for_o what_o reason_n he_o best_a know_v he_o pass_v over_o in_o silence_n what_o i_o say_v touch_v the_o state_n of_o glory_n wherein_o the_o son_n of_o god_n now_o be_v and_o so_o likewise_o what_o i_o mention_v concern_v his_o sacramental_a state_n and_o from_o the_o remain_a part_n of_o my_o proof_n he_o be_v please_v to_o make_v this_o argument_n the_o greek_n be_v stercoranists_n according_a to_o humbert_n and_o algerus_n the_o stercoranist_n be_v berengarian_n according_a to_o durand_n the_o greek_n 153._o lib._n 2._o cap._n 6._o pag._n 153._o than_o be_v berengarian_n but_o see_v my_o proof_n be_v to_o be_v model_v i_o crave_v leave_n to_o take_v it_o out_o of_o his_o hand_n and_o state_n it_o myself_o observe_v here_o then_o how_o i_o reason_v those_o that_o believe_v the_o eucharist_n break_v our_o fast_a and_o give_v cause_n to_o charge_v they_o with_o stercoranism_n hold_v the_o substance_n of_o bread_n remain_v but_o the_o greek_n believe_v the_o eucharist_n break_v our_o fast_a and_o yield_v occasion_n to_o accuse_v they_o of_o stercoranism_n they_o hold_v then_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n remain_v and_o thus_o do_v i_o reason_n but_o by_o misfortune_n mr._n arnaud_n can_v neither_o deny_v the_o major_a minor_a nor_o conclusion_n of_o this_o argument_n he_o be_v constrain_v therefore_o to_o new_a mould_n it_o and_o then_o know_v not_o how_o to_o give_v it_o a_o direct_a answer_n it_o be_v true_a say_v he_o that_o humbert_n charge_v nicetas_n with_o believe_v the_o body_n ibid._n ibid._n of_o christ_n be_v digest_v but_o this_o be_v only_o as_o a_o consequence_n of_o what_o he_o offer_v touch_v the_o eucharist_n '_o be_v break_v our_o fast_a and_o not_o as_o a_o doctrine_n which_o he_o express_o assert_v it_o be_v all_o one_o to_o i_o whether_o he_o attribute_n to_o he_o this_o opinion_n either_o as_o a_o doctrine_n or_o a_o consequence_n either_o of_o they_o be_v sufficient_a to_o establish_v the_o solidity_n of_o my_o proof_n mr._n arnaud_n may_v dispute_v this_o point_n with_o cellot_n or_o algerus_n it_o not_o lie_v upon_o i_o to_o prove_v it_o when_o it_o shall_v be_v true_a this_o consequence_n be_v not_o well_o draw_v from_o the_o principle_n which_o nicetas_n lay_v down_o from_o the_o part_n of_o the_o greek_n and_o that_o the_o greek_n may_v reply_v thereunto_o there_o will_v be_v still_o enough_o in_o the_o principle_n itself_o to_o make_v my_o conclusion_n just_a and_o necessary_a for_o those_o that_o absolute_o and_o sincere_o believe_v the_o eucharist_n break_v our_o fast_a can_v but_o likewise_o believe_v that_o it_o nourish_v after_o the_o manner_n of_o food_n which_o be_v to_o say_v that_o it_o distribute_v itself_o through_o all_o the_o part_n of_o our_o body_n be_v add_v to_o our_o substance_n and_o consequent_o that_o it_o be_v still_o real_a bread_n and_o it_o will_v be_v to_o no_o purpose_n to_o say_v the_o greek_n may_v believe_v that_o the_o troublesomeness_n of_o fast_v be_v effectual_o ease_v thereby_o and_o that_o we_o be_v real_o 155._o ibid_fw-la pag._n 155._o nourish_v not_o with_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n but_o by_o some_o other_o mean_v know_v only_o to_o god_n for_o there_o be_v in_o the_o eucharist_n only_o the_o substance_n and_o accident_n those_o that_o believe_v it_o be_v in_o substance_n the_o proper_a body_n of_o christ_n and_o yet_o affirm_v it_o nourish_v must_v attribute_v this_o nourishment_n either_o to_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n or_o to_o the_o accident_n as_o to_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n it_o be_v absurd_a to_o affirm_v that_o a_o substance_n which_o exist_v after_o the_o manner_n of_o a_o invisible_a and_o insensible_a spirit_n can_v nourish_v our_o body_n that_o be_v to_o say_v augment_v the_o substance_n of_o they_o and_o as_o to_o the_o accident_n beside_o the_o absurdity_n there_o be_v in_o suppose_v accident_n alone_o nourish_v we_o the_o greek_n know_v not_o what_o belong_v to_o the_o existence_n of_o accident_n without_o a_o subject_a which_o mr._n arnaud_n himself_o grant_v when_o he_o say_v they_o trouble_v not_o themselves_o with_o these_o phylosophical_a consequence_n to_o affirm_v likewise_o as_o mr._n arnaud_n do_v that_o the_o greek_n perhaps_o only_o assert_v the_o 155._o lib._n 2._o
of_o the_o truth_n than_o solid_a philosophy_n and_o therefore_o the_o devil_n to_o keep_v the_o greek_n in_o this_o ignorance_n have_v so_o order_v it_o that_o the_o bishop_n be_v still_o elect_v from_o among_o the_o monk_n and_o that_o moreover_o the_o monk_n shall_v lay_v this_o necessity_n upon_o themselves_o of_o be_v ignorant_a it_o be_v likely_a person_n in_o these_o circumstance_n do_v not_o trouble_v themselves_o with_o inquiry_n into_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o latin_n touch_v the_o mystery_n of_o the_o eucharist_n and_o in_o effect_n among_o all_o those_o that_o have_v write_v since_o the_o eleven_o century_n to_o this_o present_a except_v the_o latinize_a greek_n there_o will_v be_v find_v very_o few_o that_o mention_v the_o belief_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n touch_v the_o conversion_n of_o substance_n which_o show_v that_o they_o be_v not_o well_o instruct_v in_o it_o yet_o do_v not_o i_o believe_v this_o ignorance_n have_v be_v so_o universal_a but_o that_o there_o have_v be_v some_o from_o time_n to_o time_n who_o sufficient_o understand_v the_o opinion_n of_o the_o latin_n and_o especial_o those_o that_o have_v have_v most_o commerce_n with_o they_o as_o for_o instance_n such_o as_o negotiate_v the_o reunion_n those_o that_o confer_v with_o the_o emissary_n and_o be_v assessor_n at_o the_o council_n of_o florence_n and_o such_o as_o be_v force_v to_o live_v under_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o latin_a bishop_n mr._n arnaud_n need_v not_o trouble_v himself_o with_o prove_v this_o for_o it_o be_v a_o thing_n we_o grant_v he_o so_o that_o here_o be_v already_o several_a of_o mr._n arnaud_n illsion_n and_o yet_o we_o be_v not_o at_o the_o end_n of_o all_o those_o he_o have_v impose_v on_o we_o touch_v this_o single_a article_n of_o the_o greek_n we_o may_v moreover_o reckon_v into_o this_o number_n the_o perpetual_a quotation_n of_o this_o form_n of_o a_o reunion_n which_o be_v so_o often_o offer_v to_o the_o greek_n and_o which_o the_o greek_n have_v sometime_o receive_v when_o they_o be_v at_o accord_n with_o the_o latin_a church_n he_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o emperor_n michael_n paleologus_fw-la his_o deputy_n 275._o lib._n 3._o cap._n 3._o pag_n 275._o be_v arrive_v at_o the_o council_n of_o lion_n present_v the_o emperor_n letter_n to_o the_o pope_n contain_v in_o express_a term_n the_o confession_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v send_v they_o by_o clement_n the_o four_o and_o gregory_n the_o ten_o wherein_o transubstantiation_n be_v express_o insert_v in_o these_o term_n sacramentum_fw-la eucharistae_fw-la ex_fw-la azymo_fw-la conficit_fw-la romana_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la tenens_fw-la &_o docens_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o ipso_fw-la sacramento_n panis_n verè_fw-la transubstantiatur_fw-la in_o corpus_fw-la &_o vinum_fw-la in_o sanguinem_fw-la domini_fw-la jesus_n christi_fw-la he_o add_v that_o this_o profession_n of_o faith_n be_v swear_v to_o on_o the_o emperor_n part_n by_o george_n acropolitus_n and_o that_o the_o legate_n of_o the_o council_n of_o the_o greek_n present_v likewise_o a_o letter_n to_o the_o pope_n as_o from_o the_o metropolitain_n of_o ephesus_n and_o thirty_o greek_a bishop_n and_o that_o he_o swear_v in_o their_o name_n after_o the_o same_o manner_n the_o ambassador_n have_v do_v to_o embrace_v entire_o the_o forementioned_a confession_n of_o faith_n wherein_o transubstantiation_n be_v express_v he_o tell_v we_o moreover_o that_o in_o the_o confession_n of_o eaith_n which_o 277._o ibid._n pag_n 277._o john_n veccus_n insert_v in_o his_o letter_n aswell_o in_o his_o own_o name_n as_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o greek_a bishop_n that_o transubstantiation_n be_v express_o contain_v in_o it_o although_o occasional_o upon_o account_n of_o the_o azyme_n credentes_fw-la &_o nos_fw-la ipsum_fw-la azymum_fw-la panem_fw-la in_o ipso_fw-la sacro_fw-la officio_fw-la eucharistae_fw-la verè_fw-la transubstantiari_fw-la in_o corpus_fw-la domini_fw-la nostri_fw-la jesus_n christi_fw-la &_o vinum_fw-la in_o 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raynoldus_n from_o who_o mr._n arnaud_n have_v borrow_v whatsoever_o he_o have_v allege_v concern_v it_o have_v indeed_o these_o word_n panis_n verè_fw-la transubstantiatur_fw-la in_o corpus_fw-la &_o vinum_fw-la in_o sanguinem_fw-la but_o as_o i_o alreay_n observe_v in_o the_o greek_a which_o allatius_n cite_v 17._o allat_n de_fw-fr perp._n council_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 17._o touch_v the_o reunion_n of_o the_o emperor_n john_n paleologus_fw-la there_o be_v these_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o bread_n be_v real_o change_v into_o the_o body_n and_o the_o wine_n into_o the_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n change_v be_v not_o transubstantiate_v i_o have_v already_o show_v there_o be_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o difference_n between_o these_o two_o term_n the_o greek_n hold_v that_o the_o bread_n be_v change_v into_o the_o body_n which_o be_v not_o the_o point_n in_o question_n but_o whether_o they_o believe_v it_o be_v transubstantiate_v mr._n arnaud_n be_v not_o 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neither_o gregory_n vii_o eugenius_n iii_o nor_o othon_n of_o trisinga_n make_v any_o mention_n which_o show_v there_o can_v be_v draw_v no_o conclusion_n from_o their_o silence_n and_o that_o mr._n arnaud_n may_v better_o employ_v his_o time_n than_o in_o collect_v these_o kind_n of_o proof_n the_o v._o be_v take_v from_o some_o expression_n of_o a_o catholic_n of_o armenia_n 460._o ibid._n p._n 460._o who_o say_v in_o the_o conference_n of_o theorien_n that_o the_o wine_n become_v by_o consecration_n the_o blood_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o that_o the_o son_n of_o god_n be_v sacrifice_v within_o the_o church_n for_o the_o salvation_n of_o the_o world_n but_o this_o proof_n be_v too_o weak_a to_o confirm_v what_o mr._n arnaud_n pretend_v for_o first_o we_o have_v already_o show_v he_o that_o this_o catholic_n speak_v of_o his_o own_o head_n and_o not_o from_o his_o church_n and_o moreover_o what_o he_o say_v do_v neither_o conclude_v the_o real_a presence_n nor_o transubstantiation_n the_o wine_n become_v by_o its_o consecration_n the_o blood_n of_o jesus_n christ_n in_o representation_n and_o mystery_n according_a to_o the_o exposition_n which_o the_o armenian_n themselves_o give_v to_o these_o way_n of_o speak_v as_o we_o have_v see_v in_o the_o forego_n chapter_n and_o the_o son_n of_o god_n be_v sacrifice_v in_o the_o church_n in_o commemortion_n inasmuch_o as_o the_o action_n of_o the_o eucharist_n be_v a_o mystery_n which_o represent_v his_o death_n let_v mr._n arnaud_n consult_v if_o he_o please_v the_o marginal_a note_n which_o be_v on_o the_o side_n of_o this_o last_o passage_n and_o he_o will_v find_v the_o solution_n of_o his_o difficulty_n the_o greek_a text_n have_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o latin_a mactatur_fw-la intus_fw-la armen_n theorien_n dial._n adver_o armen_n dei_fw-la filius_fw-la pro_fw-la totius_fw-la mundi_fw-la salute_n and_o the_o marginal_a note_n hoc_fw-la est_fw-la representatur_fw-la in_o sacra_fw-la caena_fw-la mactatio_fw-la christi_fw-la the_o vi_o proof_n be_v take_v from_o that_o during_o the_o croisado_n the_o pope_n 462._o ibid._n pag._n 462._o hold_v a_o last_a and_o strict_a union_n with_o the_o church_n of_o armenia_n that_o the_o catholic_n of_o armenia_n yield_v obedience_n to_o pope_n eugenius_n iii_o that_o this_o union_n be_v confirm_v under_o innocent_a iii_o who_o send_v a_o crown_n to_o leo_n king_n of_o armenia_n and_o that_o as_o well_o this_o king_n as_o gregory_z the_o patriarch_n of_o armenia_n send_v a_o ambassador_n to_o innocent_a to_o acknowledge_v the_o primacy_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n that_o there_o be_v alliance_n make_v between_o the_o latin_a prince_n and_o those_o of_o armenia_n that_o pope_n innocent_a excommunicate_v the_o king_n of_o armenia_n at_o the_o request_n of_o the_o templar_n and_o some_o time_n after_o give_v he_o absolution_n that_o this_o union_n last_v during_o gregory_n ix_o his_o time_n and_o clement_n vi_o but_o what_o be_v this_o but_o 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erudi_fw-la and_o simplicity_n can_v defend_v they_o against_o the_o enemy_n of_o their_o faith_n who_o they_o combat_v not_o with_o arm_n but_o patience_n and_o so_o remain_v faithful_a to_o jesus_n christ_n but_o i_o can_v bear_v with_o the_o ignorance_n and_o stupidity_n of_o our_o pastor_n and_o bishop_n and_o therefore_o i_o continual_o upbraid_v they_o with_o it_o but_o to_o no_o purpose_n the_o jesuit_n make_v their_o advantage_n thereof_o have_v settle_v themselves_o in_o constantinople_n to_o instruct_v youth_n and_o be_v like_o fox_n among_o goose_n it_o be_v certain_a we_o can_v find_v no_o book_n from_o this_o people_n worth_a our_o read_n write_v since_o photius_n time_n except_v some_o few_o history_n and_o collection_n of_o the_o ancient_a canon_n the_o rest_n only_o consist_v in_o explanation_n of_o their_o liturgy_n and_o some_o pitiful_a treatise_n wherein_o they_o transcribe_v one_o out_o of_o another_o word_n for_o word_n without_o any_o art_n or_o sense_n almost_o ii_o we_o shall_v likewise_o consider_v the_o temporal_a state_n of_o greece_n since_o the_o eleven_o century_n to_o this_o present_a for_o there_o can_v be_v nothing_o imagine_v more_o dreadful_a and_o miserable_a most_o of_o their_o emperor_n have_v be_v either_o lazy_a or_o effeminate_a continual_o accompany_v with_o misfortune_n or_o profane_a and_o impious_a person_n that_o make_v a_o mock_n of_o religion_n or_o villain_n that_o ascend_v the_o throne_n by_o sedition_n and_o murder_n by_o mean_n whereof_o greece_n become_v divide_v into_o faction_n and_o horrible_a confusion_n in_o the_o year_n 1034_o romanus_n argirus_n ibid._n peteau_fw-fr rat._n tempor_n ex_fw-la curopal_n l_o 8._o ch._n 18._o ibid._n the_o emperor_n have_v lose_v syria_n be_v cruel_o murder_v by_o the_o treachery_n of_o zoa_n his_o wife_n who_o give_v the_o empire_n afterward_o to_o her_o adulterer_n michael_n michael_n reign_v seven_o year_n possess_v by_o the_o evil_a spirit_n he_o lose_v sicily_n and_o bulgaria_n and_o at_o length_n turn_v monk_n in_o the_o year_n 1041._o zoa_o his_o wife_n adopt_v one_o michael_n calaphatus_n and_o make_v he_o emperor_n but_o four_o or_o five_o month_n ibid._n ibid._n after_o she_o cause_v his_o eye_n to_o be_v bore_v out_o and_o give_v the_o empire_n to_o constantin_n monomaque_fw-la who_o she_o espouse_v he_o lose_v poville_n and_o be_v terrible_o beat_v by_o the_o serviens_fw-la who_o kill_v forty_o thousand_o of_o his_o men._n constantin_n die_v in_o 1054_o and_o a_o woman_n name_v theodora_n succeed_v he_o who_o reign_v but_o one_o ibid._n ibid._n year_n after_o she_o come_v one_o name_v michael_n stratiotique_a who_o reign_v also_o but_o one_o year_n isaac_n comnenus_n dispossess_v he_o and_o take_v his_o place_n wherein_o he_o remain_v ibid_fw-la ibid_fw-la overwhelm_v with_o disease_n for_o the_o space_n of_o two_o year_n and_o some_o month_n he_o resign_v the_o empire_n in_o the_o year_n 1059_o to_o constantin_n ducas_n a_o dull_a ibid._n ibid._n and_o mean_a spirit_v prince_n who_o suffer_v the_o barbarian_n
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as_o mr._n arnaud_n do_v from_o that_o of_o the_o greek_n we_o may_v conclude_v she_o approve_v john_n of_o paris_n his_o opinion_n see_v she_o do_v not_o condemn_v it_o yet_o will_v i_o not_o go_v so_o far_o it_o suffice_v i_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v not_o condemn_v the_o proposition_n in_o question_n this_o be_v enough_o to_o hinder_v the_o greek_n from_o reproach_v the_o latin_a church_n with_o transubstantiation_n this_o affair_n of_o john_n of_o paris_n together_o with_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o faculty_n in_o theology_n and_o silence_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v of_o such_o importance_n that_o this_o alone_a be_v sufficient_a to_o decide_v the_o question_n and_o manifest_a to_o mr._n arnaud_n that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n have_v not_o be_v perpetual_a in_o the_o church_n for_o that_o a_o faculty_n so_o considerable_a as_o be_v that_o of_o paris_n shall_v assure_v we_o this_o manner_n of_o the_o existence_n of_o christ_n body_n in_o the_o eucharist_n be_v not_o determine_v by_o the_o church_n nor_o be_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n and_o whosoever_o shall_v assert_v that_o it_o be_v so_o aught_o to_o be_v anathematise_v that_o the_o affair_n have_v be_v carry_v to_o rome_n and_o that_o court_n be_v silent_a therein_o and_o determine_v nothing_o about_o it_o i_o say_v this_o be_v enough_o to_o refute_v this_o pretend_a perpetuity_n which_o mr._n arnaud_n have_v take_v upon_o he_o to_o defend_v but_o return_v we_o to_o the_o greek_n we_o may_v add_v to_o what_o i_o already_o mention_v this_o considerable_a remark_n which_o be_v that_o the_o latin_n never_o raise_v a_o dispute_n with_o the_o greek_n about_o the_o general_a expression_n which_o these_o last_o make_v use_n of_o touch_v the_o eucharist_n but_o before_o we_o carry_v on_o this_o consideration_n any_o far_a it_o be_v necessary_a that_o i_o put_v the_o reader_n again_o in_o mind_n that_o the_o question_n be_v not_o to_o know_v whether_o the_o greek_n have_v the_o same_o opinion_n with_o we_o touch_v the_o eucharist_n much_o less_o whether_o they_o explain_v themselves_o after_o the_o same_o manner_n this_o be_v mr._n arnaud_n perpetual_a illusion_n to_o suppose_v we_o make_v they_o berengarian_n and_o it_o be_v on_o this_o wrong_a ground_n whereon_o he_o build_v his_o whole_a discourse_n we_o scarce_o meet_v with_o any_o other_o but_o these_o kind_n of_o arguing_n in_o his_o dispute_n viz._n whether_o the_o greek_n be_v berengariens_n whether_o they_o believe_v the_o bread_n in_o the_o sacrament_n to_o be_v only_o a_o figure_n whether_o they_o understand_v our_o saviour_n word_n in_o the_o sense_n of_o significat_fw-la etc._n etc._n to_o the_o end_n then_o the_o reader_n may_v not_o be_v deceive_v i_o do_v here_o again_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o greek_n believe_v a_o great_a deal_n more_o touch_v the_o eucharist_n than_o we_o do_v that_o they_o express_v themselves_o otherwise_o about_o it_o and_o follow_v neither_o the_o sentiment_n 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reign_v so_o much_o in_o that_o council_n be_v that_o it_o oblige_v the_o greek_n to_o reunite_v themselves_o with_o the_o latin_n without_o a_o pre_n examination_n of_o all_o the_o difference_n between_o the_o two_o church_n in_o hope_n each_o of_o they_o shall_v keep_v their_o own_o doctrine_n and_o suffer_v no_o innovation_n this_o be_v the_o same_o policy_n michael_n paleologus_fw-la inspire_v his_o bishop_n with_o as_o we_o already_o observe_v and_o make_v they_o consent_v to_o the_o union_n at_o the_o council_n of_o lion_n under_o gregory_n the_o x._o now_o this_o be_v call_v in_o my_o dictionary_n for_o mr._n arnaud_n tell_v i_o too_o of_o dictionary_n of_o my_o own_o make_v this_o be_v call_v i_o say_v a_o plaster_a union_n a_o external_a agreement_n which_o have_v no_o more_o than_o the_o shadow_n and_o appearance_n of_o a_o union_n see_v that_o within_o there_o be_v a_o real_a separation_n the_o judgement_n which_o ought_v to_o be_v make_v of_o my_o answer_n depend_v on_o two_o question_n the_o first_o whether_o in_o effect_n policy_n have_v any_o share_n in_o this_o affair_n or_o not_o the_o second_o whether_o we_o may_v just_o say_v that_o it_o so_o far_o prevail_v on_o the_o greek_n as_o to_o make_v they_o silent_a in_o the_o point_n of_o transubstantiation_n although_o they_o do_v not_o believe_v it_o for_o the_o decide_n of_o the_o first_o question_n i_o desire_v no_o other_o person_n than_o mr._n arnaud_n himself_o it_o be_v no_o great_a mystery_n say_v he_o to_o tell_v we_o that_o in_o this_o design_n of_o a_o 337._o ibid_fw-la p._n 337._o union_n touch_v the_o difference_n which_o divide_v the_o greek_n from_o the_o latin_n there_o shall_v be_v politic_a respect_n and_o humane_a interest_n this_o be_v neither_o marvellous_a nor_o unjust_a but_o whether_o just_a or_o unjust_a be_v not_o the_o question_n it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o i_o there_o be_v such_o respect_n in_o this_o affair_n the_o turk_n say_v he_o likewise_o make_v great_a progress_n and_o reduce_v the_o emperor_n to_o the_o great_a extremity_n and_o a_o little_a low_o the_o emperor_n choose_v rather_o to_o treat_v with_o the_o pope_n and_o cardinal_n as_o be_v more_o able_a to_o procure_v he_o that_o assistance_n he_o need_v and_o hope_v to_o obtain_v by_o mean_n of_o the_o union_n than_o with_o the_o council_n of_o bale_n here_o than_o we_o have_v the_o policy_n and_o interest_n of_o the_o greek_n describe_v the_o father_n of_o bale_n say_v he_o moreover_o be_v very_o desirous_a to_o raise_v up_o the_o dignity_n of_o their_o council_n by_o a_o union_n with_o the_o greek_n and_o therefore_o they_o make_v the_o most_o advantageous_a offer_v they_o be_v able_a to_o the_o deputy_n of_o the_o emperor_n john_n paleologus_fw-la emanuel_n '_o s_o son_n and_o successor_n but_o eugenus_n the_o iv_o intend_v to_o transfer_v the_o council_n from_o bale_n to_o ferrara_n he_o make_v use_v of_o the_o reunion_n of_o the_o greek_n for_o a_o pretence_n of_o this_o translation_n 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make_v use_v of_o several_a passage_n of_o the_o father_n and_o at_o the_o end_n of_o each_o passage_n add_v some_o gloss_n to_o bring_v the_o sense_n of_o they_o to_o his_o purpose_n that_o among_o other_o john_n scot_n recite_v at_o length_n a_o orison_n of_o s._n gregory_n which_o begin_v with_o these_o word_n perficiant_fw-la in_o nobis_fw-la and_o have_v trifle_v with_o some_o place_n of_o s._n ambrose_n s._n jerom_n and_o s._n austin_n who_o he_o principal_o make_v use_v of_o as_o berenger_n insinuate_v he_o form_v his_o conclusion_n in_o these_o term_n specie_fw-la geruntur_fw-la ista_fw-la non_fw-la veritate_fw-la and_o these_o be_v the_o thing_n which_o as_o our_o author_n think_v agree_v with_o bertram_n book_n but_o these_o reflection_n which_o our_o author_n pretend_v one_o may_v also_o make_v on_o the_o book_n of_o bertram_n be_v either_o uneflectual_a for_o his_o design_n or_o want_v a_o foundation_n 1._o nothing_o hinder_v that_o two_o work_n touch_v the_o eucharist_n may_v have_v be_v short_a enough_o to_o be_v equal_o treat_v as_o small_a book_n 2._o i_o have_v show_v that_o our_o author_n be_v mistake_v when_o he_o call_v bertram_n book_n a_o obscure_a and_o intricate_a piece_n even_o ascelin_n do_v not_o scruple_n to_o treat_v john_n scot_n as_o a_o heretic_n by_o reason_n of_o his_o sentiment_n on_o the_o eucharist_n and_o our_o author_n have_v not_o well_o enough_o comprehend_v the_o text_n of_o ascelin_n 3._o two_o author_n who_o hold_v the_o same_o opinion_n shall_v likewise_o aim_v at_o the_o same_o mark_n they_o must_v if_o they_o be_v endue_v with_o common_a sense_n from_o the_o same_o reflection_n in_o substance_n on_o the_o passage_n of_o the_o father_n which_o they_o will_v have_v to_o serve_v their_o design_n these_o two_o character_n than_o be_v too_o general_a and_o wide_a and_o for_o the_o two_o last_o consideration_n 1._o who_o doubt_v that_o two_o author_n one_o of_o who_o have_v apparent_o read_v the_o book_n of_o the_o other_o as_o ratram_n may_v have_v read_v that_o of_o john_n scot_n may_v not_o cite_v the_o same_o authority_n ratram_n and_o raban_n have_v do_v it_o as_o we_o be_v inform_v by_o the_o anonymous_n of_o cellot_n 2._o it_o be_v not_o true_a berenger_n have_v insinuate_v that_o john_n scot_n cite_v principal_o s._n ambrose_n s._n jerom_n and_o s._n austin_n berenger_n say_v john_n scot_n can_v be_v respect_v as_o a_o heretic_n without_o throw_v this_o ignominy_n on_o these_o father_n and_o several_a other_o but_o he_o do_v not_o say_v that_o john_n scot_n cite_v particular_o these_o three_o holy_a doctor_n and_o shall_v he_o have_v say_v it_o this_o character_n will_v be_v too_o general_a there_o have_v be_v scarce_o any_o of_o the_o author_n of_o the_o 9th_o century_n who_o have_v not_o affect_v to_o follow_v chief_o these_o three_o doctor_n 3._o our_o author_n ought_v not_o to_o propose_v as_o a_o character_n of_o identity_n that_o bertram_n have_v draw_v the_o same_o conclusion_n from_o the_o orison_n perficiant_fw-la in_o nobis_fw-la as_o john_n scot_n have_v do_v for_o to_o speak_v proper_o this_o conclusion_n specie_fw-la geruntur_fw-la ista_fw-la non_fw-la veritate_fw-la be_v not_o of_o bertram_n nor_o of_o john_n scot_n but_o the_o text_n itself_o of_o the_o prayer_n which_o bear_v ut_fw-la quoe_fw-la nunc_fw-la specie_fw-la gerimus_fw-la veritate_fw-la capiamus_fw-la now_o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o they_o be_v equal_o oblige_v to_o conserve_v these_o term_n in_o their_o conclusion_n and_o that_o they_o can_v neither_o of_o they_o do_v it_o in_o a_o more_o natural_a manner_n than_o in_o form_v it_o thus_o specie_fw-la gerunter_n ista_fw-la non_fw-la veritate_fw-la we_o must_v also_o observe_v and_o that_o as_o ascelin_n relate_v that_o john_n scot_n cite_v this_o orison_n under_o the_o name_n of_o s._n gregory_n whereas_o bertram_n cite_v it_o as_o the_o common_a service_n of_o the_o church_n and_o that_o how_o great_a soever_o the_o conformity_n have_v be_v between_o the_o conclusion_n of_o these_o author_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o sense_n and_o word_n it_o be_v not_o so_o great_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o construction_n of_o '_o they_o bertram_z have_v these_o word_n in_o specie_fw-la geruntur_fw-la ista_fw-la non_fw-la in_o veritate_fw-la and_o john_n scot_n these_o specie_fw-la geruntur_fw-la ista_fw-la non_fw-la in_o veritate_fw-la which_o prove_v that_o these_o be_v two_o different_a author_n the_o second_o witness_n which_o our_o author_n produce_v be_v berenger_n who_o inform_v we_o that_o the_o book_n of_o john_n scot_n be_v write_v at_o the_o entreaty_n of_o a_o king_n of_o france_n and_o that_o this_o king_n be_v charlemagne_n our_o author_n pretend_v that_o these_o two_o particular_n be_v to_o be_v meet_v with_o in_o the_o book_n of_o bertram_n which_o be_v dedicate_v to_o charlemagne_n and_o be_v write_v by_o his_o order_n but_o these_o conformity_n conclude_v nothing_o not_o the_o first_o because_o it_o be_v very_o possible_a that_o charles_n the_o bald_n have_v at_o the_o same_o time_n oblige_v two_o learned_a man_n to_o write_v on_o the_o same_o subject_n one_o who_o dwell_v in_o his_o palace_n to_o wit_n john_n scot_n and_o the_o other_o who_o name_n be_v so_o illustrious_a in_o his_o kingdom_n that_o he_o have_v already_o oblige_v he_o to_o write_v on_o the_o question_n of_o predestination_n to_o wit_n ratramnus_n this_o character_n be_v too_o general_a not_o the_o second_o for_o it_o do_v not_o seem_v that_o the_o book_n of_o our_o lord_n body_n and_o blood_n nor_o that_o of_o john_n scot_n of_o the_o eucharist_n be_v inscribe_v ad_fw-la carolum_fw-la magnum_fw-la imperatorem_fw-la but_o only_o ad_fw-la carolum_fw-la regem_fw-la which_o be_v what_o one_o may_v recollect_v from_o sigebert_n from_o the_o abbot_n trithemius_n from_o john_n bishop_n of_o rochester_n and_o the_o belg._n de_fw-fr script_n eccl._n catai_fw-fr c._n 95._o catal._n fol._n 57_o prologue_n in_o
art_n 4._o 1._o 4._o 5._o photius_n de_fw-fr synod_n 1._o 3._o 7._o voyage_n of_o petro_n della_fw-it valle_n 1._o 2._o 1._o voyage_n of_o john_n plan_n carpin_n .1_o 2._o 4._o polidor_n virgil_n hist_n angl._n l._n 6._o 1._o 6._o 6._o port_n royal_a and_o geneve_n agree_v 2._o 6._o 12._o posserin_fw-mi de_fw-mi reb_fw-mi moscov_n 1._o 2._o 1._o &_o seq_n postel_n de_fw-fr republ._n turk_n 1._o 3._o 10._o poulet_n relation_n of_o the_o levant_n part_v 2._o chap._n 20._o 1._o 2._o 5._o ch_n 28._o 1._o 2._o 1._o bibliot_n select_a l._n 5._o 1._o 3._o 10._o &_o alias_o bibliot_n select_a l._n 6._o 1._o 2._o 1._o parateolus_n elench_v hoeret_fw-la 1._o 3._o 5._o professio_fw-la fid._n à _fw-la groecis_fw-la faciend_n apud_fw-la posserin_n 1._o 3._o 10._o professio_fw-la fid._n à _fw-fr saracen_n faciend_n 1._o 3._o 13._o &_o 1._o 4._o 8._o r._n raban_n de_fw-fr instit_fw-la cler._n c._n 31._o 2._o 6._o 11._o poenit._fw-la cap._n 33._o 2._o 5._o 8._o &_o alias_o raynaldus_n annal._n eccles_n ad_fw-la ann_n 1199._o 1._o 2._o 4._o ad_fw-la ann_n 1233._o ibid._n 1237._o ibid._n 1245._o 1._o 2._o 4._o 1246._o ibid._n 1247._o 1._o 2._o 4._o 1253._o ibid._n 1256._o 1._o 2._o 3._o 1261._o ibid._n 1262._o 1._o 2._o 4._o 1263._o ibid._n 1264._o ibid._n 1267._o 1._o 2._o 4._o 1276._o ibid._n 1277._o ibid._n 1278._o ibid._n 1288._o ibid._n 1289._o 2._o 5._o 6._o 1299._o 1._o 2._o 4._o 1318._o 1._o 2._o 4_o 5._o 1338._o 1._o 2._o 5._o 1341._o 2._o 5._o 2._o ibid._n &_o cap._n 3._o 1346._o 2._o 5._o 3._o 1350._o 2._o 5._o 3._o 1351._o ibid._n 1366._o 1._o 2._o 5._o 1370._o 1._o 2._o 3._o ib._n 1442._o 2._o 5._o 6._o 1445._o 1._o 2._o 4._o &_o 2._o 5._o 6._o 1514._o 1._o 2._o 4._o &_o 1._o 3._o 5._o 1515._o 1._o 2._o 4._o 1519._o ibid._n richard_n relation_n of_o the_o isle_n of_o s._n erinis_fw-la 1._o 2._o 1._o ch_n 4_o 5._o &_o book_n 3._o ch_n 5._o 7._o 8._o 10._o relation_n of_o the_o voyage_n of_o mr._n de_fw-fr berite_n 1._o 2._o 4._o relation_n of_o the_o embassy_n of_o the_o earl_n of_o carlisle_n 2._o 5._o 1._o relation_n of_o the_o mission_n and_o voyage_n of_o french_a bishop_n 2._o 5._o 2._o remark_n on_o the_o request_n of_o m._n the_o archbishop_n of_o minbrun_n 1._o 3._o 1._o remark_n on_o the_o 18._o tom_n of_o the_o annal_n of_o odoricus_n raynaldus_n page_n 1_o pref._n rivel_v letter_n to_o m._n sarran_n 1._o 3._o 12._o roger_n of_o the_o h._n land_n 1._o 2._o 1._o ibid._n ch_n 4._o ross_z his_o view_n of_o religion_n 2._o 5._o 4._o rubruqui_n voyage_n 1._o 2._o 4._o responsum_fw-la ad_fw-la petitionem_fw-la allat_n regi_fw-la 2._o 6._o 12._o remig._n altisiodor_n comment_fw-fr in_o 1_o cor._n 10._o 2._o 6._o 10._o in_o cap._n 11._o ibid._n in_o exposit_n canon_n ibid._n in_o cap._n 10._o ad_fw-la hebr._n ibid._n rupert_n in_o joan._n l._n 6._o 1._o 4._o 5._o in_o exod._n l._n 2._o cap._n 10._o ibid._n in_o mat._n cap._n 10._o 2._o 5._o 8._o de_fw-fr divin_n offic._n l._n 2._o c._n 2._o 2._o 6._o 10._o s._n sacranus_fw-la relig._n ruthen_n 1._o 3._o 3._o book_n 3._o ch_n 7_o 8_o 10._o &_o 2._o 5._o 1._o scarga_n errores_fw-la moscov_n 1._o 3._o 3._o &_o ch_z 7._o &_o ch_n 10._o saligniaco_n itiner_n ter._n sanc._n 2._o 5._o 2._o sedulius_n opera_fw-la pasch_fw-mi l._n 5._o c._n 13._o 2._o 5._o 8._o seiolach_n epist_n ad_fw-la velser_n 2._o 5._o 6._o stephani_fw-la jun._n vita_fw-la 1._o 3._o 7._o simeon_n thessalon_n de_fw-fr templ_n 1._o 3._o 4._o &_o ch_z 6._o sigismond_n comm._n rer_n mosc_n 1._o 3._o 7._o &_o ch_z 8_o 9_o &_o 2._o 5._o 1._o spondanus_n annal._n eccles_n ad_fw-la annum_fw-la 439._o 2._o 5._o 2._o ad_fw-la ann_n 1524._o 1._o 2._o 2._o 1531._o 1._o 2._o 4._o 1561._o 1._o 2._o 1._o 1584._o 1._o 2._o 5._o 1600._o 1._o 1._o 5._o stochovius_n voyages_n 1._o 2._o 4_o 5._o sylu._n cathemer_n 1._o 3._o 13._o sigebert_n de_fw-fr script_n eccl._n c._n 17._o 2._o 6._o 2._o spiceleg_n tom._n 6._o de_fw-la gestis_fw-la abbot_n lob_n 2._o 6._o 2._o syropulus_fw-la histor_n council_n florent_fw-la sect._n 2._o 1._o 2._o 3._o sect._n 3._o 1._o 2._o 1._o &_o 4._o 6._o sect._n 4._o 1._o 3._o 10._o sect._n 5._o 1._o 3._o 12_o sect._n 10._o 1._o 4._o 6._o t._n tertullian_n de_fw-fr jejunio_fw-la c._n 1._o 1._o 1._o 7._o cap._n 2._o ibid._n de_fw-fr resurr_n carn_v c._n 37._o 2._o 5._o 8._o de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la ibid._n theodorus_n abucara_n dial._n 22._o 1._o 3._o 13._o theodoret_n dial._n 1._o 1._o 3._o 13._o dial._n 2._o 2._o 5._o 2._o theodor._n epitome_n 1._o 3._o 13._o theophil_n alix_n epist_n pasch_fw-mi ibid._n theophilact_fw-mi in_o matth._n 1._o 4._o 7._o in_o marc._n 14._o 1._o 3._o 13._o in_o joan._n 6._o ibid._n &_o book_n 4._o c._n 7._o &_o p._n 2._o ch_z 3._o in_o joan._n 2._o 5._o 8._o theodor_n graphus_n 1._o 3._o 13._o theorianus_n dial_n adv_fw-la arm._n 2._o 5._o 2._o thevenot_n voyage_n 1._o 2._o 1._o &_o ch_z 4._o 5._o &_o book_n 3._o ch_n 7._o 2._o 5._o 6._o thomas_n aquinas_n sum_n 3._o part_n quoe_v 75._o art_n 2._o 2._o 5._o 1._o thom._n à _fw-fr jesus_n de_fw-fr procurand_n salut_fw-la omnium_fw-la gent._n 1._o 3._o 7._o &_o 12._o &_o book_n 4._o ch_z 3._o &_o ch_n 5_o 6._o part_n 2._o book_n 5._o ch_z 1_o 2_o 4_o â—_o thomas_n valden_v tom._n 2._o c._n 19_o 2._o 6._o 11._o cap._n 30._o 2._o 5._o 4._o cap._n 52._o 2._o 6._o 11._o tatianus_n diatessar_n 2._o 6._o 2._o turco_n grecia_n 1._o 4._o 5._o tractatus_fw-la contr_n groecos_n 1._o 3._o 8._o v._o vincent_n le_fw-fr blanc_n voyages_n 1._o 2._o 1._o voyage_n of_o villamont_n 1._o 2._o 4._o &_o book_n 4._o ch_z 5._o valafridus_n strabo_n de_fw-fr reb_n eccl._n 2._o 5._o 8._o valerianus_n hom_o 7._o ibid._n victor_n antiochenus_fw-la comment_n in_o marc._n mss_n 1._o 3._o 13._o vigilius_n contr_n eutychet_n l._n 5._o 2._o 5._o 2._o z._n zonar_n in_o canon_n council_n in_o trullo_n can_v 32._o 1._o 3._o 9_o zonar_n epist_n ad_fw-la calcem_fw-la tom_fw-mi 6._o cyril_n alex._n ibid._n the_o end_n of_o the_o table_n of_o author_n a_o table_n of_o the_o chief_a matter_n contain_v in_o this_o book_n note_v that_o the_o figure_n immediate_o after_o the_o matter_n denote_v the_o part_n the_o other_o at_o the_o end_n of_o the_o line_n the_o page_n a._n abridgement_n their_o right_a use_n 1._o 31_o abyssins_n ignorant_a 1._o 70_o abyssins_n superstitious_a 1._o 71_o adoration_n according_a to_o the_o greek_n and_o latin_n be_v either_o subaltern_a or_o sovereign_a or_o relative_a or_o absolute_a or_o inward_a or_o outward_a 1._o 153_o adoration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n the_o question_n of_o it_o must_v be_v consider_v as_o a_o mean_n to_o clear_v up_o that_o of_o transubstantiation_n and_o not_o as_o a_o consequence_n 1._o 156_o adoration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n double_a according_a to_o mr._n arnaud_n voluntary_a and_o ritual_a 1._o 160_o the_o greek_n adore_v not_o the_o sacrament_n with_o a_o sovereign_n and_o absolute_a adoration_n as_o the_o latin_n do_v 1._o 153._o &_o seq_n the_o greek_n do_v not_o practice_v any_o of_o those_o thing_n which_o the_o latin_n do_v to_o show_v that_o they_o adore_v the_o sacrament_n with_o a_o sovereign_a adoration_n 164_o the_o greek_n justify_v the_o relative_a adoration_n of_o image_n by_o the_o example_n of_o the_o adoration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n 166_o the_o greek_n place_n the_o adoration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n in_o the_o same_o rank_n with_o that_o of_o the_o cross_n temple_n and_o sacred_a vestment_n 166_o abraham_n echellensis_fw-la asleep_o decry_v author_n unworthy_a of_o credit_n 2._o 14_o accident_n their_o existence_n without_o a_o subject_n not_o teach_v by_o the_o greek_n 1._o 186_o alexis_n comenius_n the_o greek_a emperor_n favour_v the_o latin_a religion_n 1._o 183_o ambassador_n of_o england_n and_o holland_n justify_v in_o the_o business_n of_o cyril_n against_o the_o unjust_a accusation_n of_o mr._n arnaud_n 1._o 205_o armenian_n believe_v that_o jesus_n christ_n be_v man_n only_o in_o appearance_n 2._o 17_o armenian_n be_v real_a eutychian_o 2._o 19_o armenian_n extreme_a ignorant_a 1._o 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