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A91654 A reply of two of the brethren to A.S. wherein you have observations on his considerations, annotations, &c. Upon the apologeticall narration. With a plea for libertie of conscience for the apologists church way; against the cavils of the said A. S. formerly called M. S. to A. S. Humbly submitted to the judgements of all rationall, and moderate men in the world. With a short survey of W. R. his Grave confutation of the separation, and some modest, and innocent touches on the letter from Zeland, and Mr. Parker's from New-England. Parker, Thomas, 1595-1677.; Steuart, Adam. 1644 (1644) Wing R1048B; Thomason E54_18; ESTC R2612 108,370 124

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sect._n 29._o to_o instruct_v and_o convince_v gainsayer_n 24.25_o the_o servant_n of_o the_o lord_n must_v not_o strive_v but_o be_v gentle_a unto_o all_o man_n apt_a to_o teach_v in_o meekness_n instruct_v those_o that_o oppose_v themselves_o if_o god_n peradventure_o will_v give_v they_o repentance_n to_o the_o acknowledgement_n of_o the_o truth_n 2_o tim._n 2_o 24.25_o and_o man_n contrary-minded_n to_o the_o truth_n to_o perform_v these_o office_n unto_o they_o with_o meekness_n and_o therefore_o not_o to_o threaten_v they_o with_o deliver_v they_o over_o to_o the_o secular_a power_n or_o to_o incite_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n against_o they_o and_o if_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o the_o minister_n to_o encourage_v or_o put_v on_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n to_o use_v any_o external_a violence_n or_o compulsion_n against_o such_o certain_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a much_o less_o any_o point_n of_o duty_n for_o he_o to_o proceed_v in_o any_o such_o way_n against_o they_o and_o 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from_o man_n i_o conceive_v a_o reasonable_a man_n will_v think_v it_o very_o hard_a and_o unreasonable_a to_o punish_v a_o man_n for_o not_o do_v of_o that_o which_o be_v only_o proper_a and_o in_o the_o power_n of_o god_n to_o do_v externall_n compulsion_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n 31._o sect._n 31._o be_v of_o a_o proper_a and_o direct_a tendency_n to_o make_v man_n twofold_a more_o the_o child_n of_o sin_n and_o so_o of_o wrath_n than_o they_o be_v before_o or_o will_v be_v otherwise_o now_o that_o which_o direct_o tend_v to_o increase_v sin_n and_o iniquity_n in_o a_o land_n can_v be_v lawful_a or_o from_o god_n suppose_v the_o state-religion_n and_o manner_n of_o worship_v god_n which_o the_o magistrate_n practise_v and_o profess_v be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o truth_n yet_o if_o i_o have_v no_o such_o faith_n of_o either_o but_o judge_v in_o my_o soul_n and_o conscience_n that_o both_o state_n and_o magistrate_n be_v pollute_v in_o both_o shall_v make_v profession_n of_o either_o as_o the_o truth_n i_o shall_v be_v a_o notorious_a hypocrite_n and_o dissembler_n before_o god_n and_o man_n wound_v my_o conscience_n and_o condemn_v myself_o in_o what_o i_o allow_v in_o this_o case_n and_o yet_o such_o a_o profession_n as_o this_o be_v that_o which_o the_o compulsive_a power_n of_o the_o magistrate_n seek_v to_o extort_v from_o i_o in_o which_o case_n i_o must_v suffer_v because_o i_o will_v not_o sin_v to_o the_o ruin_n and_o destruction_n of_o my_o soul_n if_o it_o be_v object_v that_o the_o intent_n of_o the_o magistrate_n compulsion_n in_o this_o case_n be_v not_o to_o extort_v a_o profession_n from_o i_o against_o my_o judgement_n and_o conscience_n but_o to_o engage_v i_o to_o rectify_v and_o reform_v my_o judgement_n according_a to_o the_o truth_n and_o so_o to_o make_v profession_n according_o i_o answer_v first_o that_o i_o stand_v already_o engage_v by_o a_o far_o great_a band_n hereunto_o viz._n my_o peace_n with_o god_n and_o the_o safety_n of_o my_o soul_n then_o suffer_v temporal_o from_o the_o civil_a power_n nor_o can_v it_o reasonable_o be_v here_o reply_v to_o i_o that_o many_o will_v do_v more_o for_o fear_n of_o a_o present_a temporal_a punishment_n then_o of_o the_o future_a loss_n of_o their_o soul_n because_o they_o that_o will_v do_v this_o will_v be_v ready_a enough_o to_o comply_v with_o the_o magistrate_n in_o his_o religion_n what_o ever_o it_o be_v without_o compulsion_n second_o if_o the_o intent_n of_o the_o temporal_a compulsion_n bend_v against_o i_o be_v my_o engagement_n to_o rectify_v my_o judgement_n according_a to_o the_o truth_n &_o then_o to_o profess_v according_o why_o be_v it_o discharge_v upon_o i_o before_o it_o be_v know_v whether_o i_o have_v not_o discharge_v such_o my_o engagement_n to_o the_o uttermost_a of_o my_o power_n and_o yet_o be_o not_o able_a to_o call_v that_o truth_n which_o the_o magistrate_n will_v have_v i_o so_o to_o call_v 29.26_o pro._n 29.26_o many_o say_v solomon_n 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