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law_n and_o odious_a matter_n such_o general_a word_n as_o denote_v some_o inferior_a dignity_n order_n title_n office_n or_o function_n as_o a_o temporal_a or_o principal_a lord_n governor_n judge_n or_o landlord_n a_o monk_n a_o clerk_n and_o a_o priest_n be_v obscure_a and_o be_v not_o understand_v to_o comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n abbot_n or_o bishop_n 27_o second_o this_o rule_n of_o restriction_n say_v he_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v quantum_fw-la ad_fw-la vim_o verborum_fw-la of_o the_o force_n of_o the_o word_n and_o therefore_o the_o lawyer_n also_o teach_v that_o penalty_n be_v to_o be_v extend_v as_o far_o as_o the_o propriety_n of_o the_o word_n do_v permit_v and_o the_o lawyer_n also_o teach_v we_o that_o in_o penal_a law_n and_o odious_a matter_n such_o general_a word_n as_o denote_v some_o inferior_a title_n dignity_n office_n order_n or_o function_n be_v not_o to_o be_v extend_v as_o far_o as_o the_o priorietie_n of_o the_o word_n do_v permit_v and_o that_o 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governor_n or_o landlord_n for_o that_o a_o monk_n be_v not_o the_o proper_a name_n of_o a_o abbot_n nor_o a_o priest_n the_o proper_a name_n of_o a_o bishop_n nor_o a_o temporal_a lord_n the_o proper_a name_n of_o a_o king_n but_o they_o be_v name_n which_o be_v common_a also_o to_o inferior_a monk_n inferior_a priest_n and_o inferior_a lord_n 28_o three_o the_o rule_n say_v he_o fail_v when_o the_o reason_n be_v express_v as_o it_o be_v in_o this_o canon_n but_o mr._n fitzherbert_n shall_v have_v declare_v what_o reason_n express_v in_o the_o law_n be_v require_v to_o have_v the_o aforesaid_a rule_n to_o fail_v for_o in_o this_o canon_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n there_o be_v no_o reason_n express_v why_o dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la a_o temporal_a land_n lord_n governor_n or_o lord_n must_v comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n for_o the_o end_n and_o reason_n of_o
whereas_o none_o will_v acknowledge_v that_o parish_n priest_n be_v such_o and_o few_o will_v grant_v that_o they_o have_v jurisdiction_n in_o the_o external_a spiritual_a court_n but_o only_o in_o the_o court_n of_o conscience_n therefore_o although_o it_o be_v absurd_a to_o say_v that_o because_o every_o bishop_n can_v excommunicate_v in_o his_o own_o diocese_n therefore_o every_o parish_n priest_n can_v also_o excommunicate_v in_o his_o parish_n yet_o as_o it_o be_v not_o absurd_a to_o say_v that_o because_o the_o pope_n can_v excommunicate_v in_o the_o universal_a church_n therefore_o a_o bishop_n stand_v in_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n can_v also_o excommunicate_v in_o his_o own_o diocese_n so_o it_o be_v not_o absurd_a and_o much_o less_o ridiculous_a to_o say_v that_o if_o the_o pope_n can_v inflict_v a_o temporal_a penalty_n upon_o all_o christian_n every_o bishop_n also_o stand_v in_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n can_v inflict_v a_o temporal_a penalty_n upon_o those_o that_o be_v subject_a to_o his_o bishopric_n no_o more_o than_o it_o be_v absurd_a or_o ridiculous_a for_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n to_o say_v that_o if_o the_o pope_n have_v direct_a dominion_n in_o temporall_n in_o the_o universal_a church_n every_o bishop_n have_v also_o direct_a dominion_n in_o temporall_n in_o his_o own_o particular_a bishopric_n for_o that_o according_a to_o his_o doctrine_n that_o which_o the_o pope_n be_v in_o the_o universal_a church_n be_v every_o bishop_n in_o his_o particular_a diocese_n 47_o and_o as_o concern_v that_o plenitude_n or_o fullness_n of_o the_o pope_n ecclesiastical_a power_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n with_o full_a mouth_n do_v so_o often_o inculcate_v little_a understanding_n poor_a man_n in_o what_o this_o fullness_n do_v consist_v there_o be_v a_o great_a controversy_n among_o catholic_n to_o what_o thing_n this_o fullness_n of_o ecclesiastical_a power_n do_v extend_v 3._o almainus_n de_fw-fr authore_fw-la eccles_n cap._n 3._o for_o there_o be_v so_o 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which_o be_v prejudicial_a to_o the_o right_n of_o another_o man_n who_o be_v not_o subject_a to_o he_o in_o temporall_n the_o same_o decree_n as_o some_o not_o improbable_o do_v think_v do_v only_o extend_v unless_o the_o contrary_n be_v express_v which_o last_o clause_n also_o mr._n fitzherbert_n leave_v out_o to_o the_o territory_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n or_o the_o patrimony_n of_o s._n peter_n wherein_z as_o pope_n innocent_n say_v venerabil_n say_v cap._n per_fw-la venerabil_n the_o pope_n do_v exercise_v the_o authority_n of_o a_o chief_a bishop_n and_o do_v execute_v the_o power_n of_o a_o sovereign_a prince_n 50_o against_o this_o answer_n mr._n fitzherbert_n object_v in_o this_o manner_n 19_o manner_n pag._n 173._o nu_fw-la 18._o 19_o thus_o widdrington_n tell_v we_o but_o who_o these_o some_o man_n be_v of_o who_o he_o speak_v or_o where_o they_o affirm_v this_o he_o list_v not_o to_o tell_v we_o neither_o in_o his_o text_n nor_o in_o his_o margin_n lest_o by_o the_o 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man_n in_o affirm_v i_o to_o say_v that_o whensoever_o the_o pope_n decree_v any_o thing_n etc._n etc._n and_o leave_v out_o the_o word_n temporal_a and_o also_o that_o other_o clause_n unless_a the_o contrary_n be_v express_v which_o be_v the_o chief_a point_n whereon_o i_o do_v ground_n that_o my_o answer_n there_o be_v no_o man_n of_o any_o judgement_n who_o may_v not_o clear_o perceive_v that_o all_o those_o catholic_a doctor_n allege_v by_o i_o heretofore_o treatise_n heretofore_o apol._n nu_fw-la 4._o &_o seq_fw-la and_o in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o treatise_n and_o among_o the_o rest_n those_o plerique_fw-la doctores_fw-la very_o many_o or_o most_o doctor_n who_o almain_n cit_v and_o follow_v who_o affirm_v that_o the_o pope_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n have_v not_o authority_n to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n but_o only_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n must_v consequent_o hold_v that_o when_o the_o pope_n by_o a_o general_a constitution_n decreee_v any_o 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contrary_a to_o the_o gospel_n or_o natural_a reason_n but_o in_o manner_n not_o common_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o which_o be_v refer_v to_o private_a man_n or_o church_n she_o may_v err_v through_o ignorance_n not_o only_o in_o her_o judgement_n of_o thing_n do_v but_o also_o in_o her_o private_a precept_n and_o law_n 5._o bellar._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n cap._n 3._o &_o 5._o and_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n also_o affirm_v that_o those_o decree_n or_o precept_n concern_v faith_n or_o manner_n wherein_o the_o pope_n in_o who_o he_o put_v all_o the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n can_v err_v must_v be_v general_a and_o be_v propound_v and_o belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a 24_o now_o this_o act_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n forasmuch_o as_o it_o concern_v the_o absolve_a of_o vassal_n from_o their_o fealty_n beside_o that_o it_o be_v not_o proper_o a_o decree_n according_a to_o my_o adversary_n ground_n as_o i_o signify_v before_o contain_v in_o it_o any_o precept_n or_o obligation_n unless_o they_o will_v grant_v the_o council_n to_o be_v above_o the_o pope_n nor_o also_o propound_v as_o of_o faith_n according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o canus_n before_o relate_v and_o therefore_o it_o can_v according_a to_o their_o doctrine_n appertain_v to_o faith_n it_o be_v not_o also_o a_o general_a decree_n and_o which_o appertain_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o all_o the_o faithful_a for_o it_o do_v not_o concern_v clergy_n man_n who_o according_a to_o my_o adversary_n false_a scandalous_a and_o seditious_a doctrine_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o temporal_a prince_n nor_o do_v owe_v to_o they_o any_o temporal_a allegiance_n but_o only_o the_o temporal_a vassal_n of_o temporal_a lord_n and_o those_o not_o all_o but_o of_o such_o a_o lord_n only_o who_o for_o a_o year_n remain_v excommunicate_v for_o neglect_v to_o purge_v his_o territory_n of_o heresy_n for_o those_o word_n of_o the_o council_n ut_fw-la ex_fw-la tunc_fw-la ipse_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o from_o that_o time_n the_o pope_n may_v denounce_v his_o vassal_n absolve_v from_o their_o fealty_n can_v only_o bind_v either_o the_o pope_n to_o make_v that_o denunciation_n or_o that_o temporal_a lord_n not_o to_o exact_v of_o his_o vassal_n temporal_a fealty_n or_o the_o vassal_n not_o to_o give_v to_o that_o temporal_a lord_n temporal_a fealty_n and_o so_o it_o can_v bind_v clergy_n man_n who_o do_v not_o owe_v any_o temporal_a fidelity_n or_o obedience_n to_o temporal_a lord_n according_a to_o my_o adversary_n false_a doctrine_n nor_o also_o all_o vassal_n but_o only_o those_o of_o that_o temporal_a lord_n whereupon_o the_o decree_n be_v not_o general_a and_o belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a which_o nevertheless_o be_v necessary_a that_o any_o decree_n or_o precept_n concern_v faith_n or_o manner_n do_v appertain_v to_o faith_n 25_o and_o if_o perchance_o my_o adversary_n will_v say_v that_o it_o bind_v all_o
oath_n be_v no_o other_o but_o because_o the_o king_n majesty_n be_v hold_v both_o by_o himself_o and_o other_o protestant_n to_o be_v no_o way_n subject_n to_o the_o pope_n yea_o and_o to_o be_v himself_o supreme_a head_n of_o the_o church_n of_o god_n in_o england_n and_o also_o by_o the_o first_o of_o these_o two_o reason_n which_o he_o bring_v here_o in_o his_o reply_n why_o he_o suppopose_v that_o the_o oath_n impli_v a_o denial_n of_o the_o pope_n supremacy_n 29_o and_o as_o for_o my_o supposition_n say_v he_o 10._o he_o nu._n 10._o that_o the_o oath_n impli_v the_o denial_n of_o the_o pope_n supremacy_n he_o shall_v have_v say_v of_o the_o pope_n authority_n to_o excommunicate_v and_o depose_v a_o temporal_a prince_n for_o this_o be_v his_o supposition_n as_o i_o clear_o show_v before_o thou_o shall_v understand_v good_a reader_n that_o i_o be_v move_v thereto_o by_o two_o reason_n which_o be_v manifest_a enough_o in_o the_o very_a place_n which_o widdrington_n cit_v the_o one_o 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pope_n supremacy_n for_o that_o not_o only_o his_o majesty_n but_o also_o all_o they_o of_o the_o parliament_n which_o decree_v it_o do_v hold_n and_o believe_v that_o the_o pope_n can_v not_o depose_v his_o majesty_n because_o he_o have_v no_o authority_n at_o all_o in_o england_n and_o especial_o over_o his_o majesty_n 31_o my_o other_o reason_n be_v the_o same_o that_o i_o touch_v before_o concern_v the_o necessary_a deduction_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n from_o his_o ecclesiastical_a supremacy_n for_o albeit_o the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o pope_n be_v not_o express_o abjure_v or_o deny_v by_o this_o oath_n yet_o it_o be_v deny_v covert_o by_o a_o necessary_a consequent_a because_o his_o authority_n to_o depose_v prince_n which_o be_v necessary_o deduce_v from_o the_o supreme_a power_n that_o christ_n give_v he_o be_v deny_v thereby_o as_o in_o like_a case_n if_o we_o shall_v deny_v that_o his_o majesty_n have_v any_o lawful_a power_n to_o suspend_v or_o 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authority_n to_o inflict_v any_o temporal_a punishment_n or_o to_o deprive_v any_o man_n of_o any_o temporal_a right_n power_n or_o authority_n for_o what_o end_n soever_o and_o therefore_o mr._n fitzherbert_n do_v evident_o discover_v his_o ignorance_n in_o affirm_v that_o i_o have_v no_o probability_n in_o the_o world_n to_o deny_v that_o a_o spiritual_a superior_a may_v inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o may_v punish_v temporal_o and_o to_o grant_v as_o i_o do_v that_o he_o may_v command_v corporal_a and_o temporal_a thing_n so_o far_o forth_o as_o they_o serve_v the_o spiritual_a for_o this_o distinction_n which_o i_o have_v sufficient_o declare_v before_o betwixt_o the_o directive_a or_o command_a and_o the_o coercive_v or_o punish_v power_n both_o of_o the_o spiritual_a and_o also_o of_o the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n and_o the_o reason_n thereof_o a_o priori_fw-la which_o be_v take_v from_o their_o proper_a act_n and_o object_n from_o which_o 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nu_fw-la 21._o widdrington_n himself_o teach_v also_o in_o his_o apology_n 15â—_n apology_n nurse_n 153.154_o &_o 15â—_n that_o spiritual_a thing_n may_v come_v to_o have_v the_o nature_n of_o temporal_a thing_n and_o temporal_a thing_n of_o spiritual_a by_o accident_n that_o be_v to_o say_v as_o he_o himself_o do_v explicate_v ratione_fw-la peccati_fw-la annexi_fw-la by_o reason_n of_o some_o sin_n annex_v whereof_o he_o also_o give_v this_o example_n when_o ecclesiastical_a person_n do_v apply_v their_o spiritual_a power_n to_o the_o hurt_n of_o the_o temporal_a state_n or_o temporal_a man_n abuse_v their_o power_n to_o the_o prejudice_n of_o the_o spiritual_a in_o these_o case_n he_o say_v the_o temporal_a power_n and_o state_n become_v subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a and_o the_o spiritual_a to_o the_o temporal_a by_o reason_n of_o the_o injury_n do_v and_o offence_n commit_v because_o temporal_a thing_n do_v thereby_o come_v to_o have_v the_o quality_n of_o spiritual_a thing_n 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thereof_o suppose_v the_o union_n of_o man_n in_o one_o civil_a society_n be_v grant_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n for_o that_o the_o light_n of_o natural_a reason_n abstract_v from_o all_o positive_a law_n or_o grant_n of_o god_n or_o man_n do_v teach_v and_o ordain_v the_o same_o 7_o now_o to_o the_o point_n and_o to_o the_o inference_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n make_v upon_o the_o word_n of_o cicero_n and_o the_o example_n by_o he_o allege_v first_o i_o do_v willing_o grant_v that_o the_o light_n of_o natural_a reason_n do_v teach_v we_o that_o religion_n be_v to_o be_v prefer_v before_o policy_n and_o temporal_a thing_n be_v in_o perfection_n subordinate_a to_o spiritual_a by_o the_o same_o reason_n that_o thing_n less_o perfect_a be_v inferior_a to_o the_o more_o perfect_a the_o body_n to_o the_o soul_n
constitution_n of_o man_n neither_o be_v those_o law_n which_o be_v only_o declare_v by_o all_o nation_n to_o be_v easy_o and_o direct_o deduce_v from_o the_o know_a principle_n of_o nature_n to_o be_v number_v among_o humane_a law_n but_o among_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o if_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n be_v to_o be_v account_v a_o humane_a law_n for_o that_o it_o be_v so_o easy_o &_o direct_o deduce_v from_o the_o principle_n of_o nature_n that_o all_o nation_n do_v receive_v and_o admit_v it_o why_o may_v not_o many_o law_n of_o nature_n be_v account_v humane_a law_n see_v that_o they_o be_v so_o easy_o and_o direct_o deduce_v from_o the_o very_a principle_n of_o nature_n that_o all_o nation_n do_v receive_v and_o admit_v they_o moreover_o mr._n fitzherbert_n will_v not_o as_o i_o think_v deny_v but_o that_o many_o thing_n be_v forbid_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n which_o nevertheless_o be_v not_o so_o easy_o and_o direct_o deduce_v from_o the_o very_a principle_n of_o nature_n that_o all_o nation_n do_v receive_v and_o admit_v they_o as_o simple_a fornication_n usury_n drunkenness_n perpetuity_n of_o marriage_n and_o plurality_n of_o wife_n which_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o all_o divine_n be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o yet_o some_o nation_n have_v not_o think_v these_o to_o be_v unlawful_a whereupon_o vasquez_n bold_o affirm_v 1._o vasq_fw-la 1_o a._n 2_o ae_z disp_n 122._o c._n 2._o tom_n 1._o that_o one_o may_v have_v invincible_a ignorance_n for_o his_o whole_a life_n time_n of_o those_o conclusion_n of_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n which_o be_v more_o obscure_a and_o more_o remote_a from_o the_o general_a principle_n of_o nature_n then_o be_v the_o moral_a precept_n of_o the_o decalogue_n wherefore_o although_o mr._n fitzherbert_n do_v make_v here_o a_o long_a discourse_n about_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n and_o nature_n yet_o it_o seem_v that_o he_o do_v not_o hitherto_o understand_v what_o be_v the_o law_n of_o nation_n and_o how_o it_o be_v distinguish_v from_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n 17_o wherefore_o to_o omit_v now_o the_o diverse_a opinion_n of_o doctor_n concern_v the_o difference_n of_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o nation_n it_o will_v be_v sufficient_a for_o this_o present_a to_o declare_v how_o vasquez_n differ_v from_o the_o other_o jesuiâ—es_n and_o divine_n in_o this_o point_n 2._o vasq_fw-la 1_o a._n 2_o ae_z disp_n 157._o c._n 3._o tom_n 2._o for_o vasquez_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n be_v comprehend_v under_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n as_o a_o part_n and_o member_n thereof_o and_o that_o it_o differ_v from_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n only_o in_o this_o that_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n be_v that_o which_o be_v deduce_v by_o a_o very_a good_a discourse_n from_o the_o principle_n of_o nature_n not_o only_o as_o permit_v but_o also_o as_o command_v some_o thing_n to_o be_v do_v or_o not_o to_o be_v do_v insomuch_o that_o it_o be_v a_o rule_n of_o virtue_n and_o vice_n and_o this_o whether_o we_o consider_v nature_n by_o itself_o or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o as_o man_n live_v alone_o by_o themselves_o or_o else_o as_o live_v in_o common_a and_o civil_a society_n but_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n be_v only_o a_o law_n of_o permission_n utility_n or_o conveniency_n for_o some_o thing_n be_v in_o this_o manner_n convenient_a and_o profitable_a to_o man_n as_o live_v in_o civil_a society_n which_o be_v not_o convenient_a for_o a_o man_n live_v by_o himself_o alone_o therefore_o this_o permission_n of_o a_o thing_n convenient_a to_o the_o whole_a nature_n of_o man_n as_o live_v in_o civil_a society_n be_v call_v by_o vasquez_n the_o law_n of_o nation_n that_o be_v a_o licence_n or_o power_n of_o nation_n of_o this_o sort_n be_v the_o division_n of_o land_n for_o without_o it_o city_n can_v very_o hardly_o be_v well_o govern_v and_o also_o a_o right_n or_o power_n to_o make_v war_n and_o by_o the_o right_n of_o war_n to_o revenge_v injury_n for_o without_o this_o city_n will_v be_v expose_v to_o a_o thousand_o injury_n but_o a_o power_n to_o marry_v be_v not_o to_o be_v call_v the_o law_n of_o nation_n but_o of_o nature_n for_o that_o it_o be_v not_o introduce_v by_o natural_a reason_n for_o this_o consideration_n that_o man_n begin_v to_o live_v in_o city_n whereupon_o they_o be_v call_v nation_n but_o because_o it_o be_v convenient_a by_o permission_n to_o the_o nature_n of_o man_n be_v absolute_o consider_v by_o itself_o so_o that_o according_a to_o vasquez_n no_o law_n of_o nation_n be_v a_o rule_n of_o virtue_n and_o vice_n to_o wit_n command_v something_o as_o necessary_a or_o forbid_v some_o thing_n as_o evil_n but_o only_o grant_v or_o permit_v some_o thing_n as_o convenient_a and_o profitable_a and_o also_o as_o honest_a but_o not_o necessary_a but_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n both_o command_v forbid_v and_o permit_v wherefore_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n as_o it_o do_v permit_v only_o and_o not_o command_v or_o forbid_v be_v by_o vasquez_n call_v the_o law_n of_o nation_n for_o all_o moral_a precept_n do_v according_a to_o he_o belong_v either_o to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n or_o to_o the_o civil_a law_n for_o if_o any_o thing_n be_v command_v or_o forbid_v by_o force_n of_o natural_a reason_n it_o belong_v to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n but_o if_o it_o be_v command_v or_o forbid_v by_o the_o will_n of_o man_n have_v authority_n thereunto_o it_o belong_v to_o the_o civil_a law_n and_o of_o this_o opinion_n he_o think_v aristotle_n and_o all_o the_o ancient_a philosopher_n to_o have_v be_v for_o that_o all_o philosopher_n before_o the_o civil_a lawyer_n do_v divide_v every_o law_n in_o general_a into_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o the_o civil_a law_n 18_o but_o this_o opinion_n of_o vasquez_n do_v not_o please_v suarez_n salas_n 3._o suarez_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 18._o 19_o salas_n disp_n 2._o sec_fw-la 2._o 3._o &_o seq_n d._n sec_fw-la 3._o and_o many_o other_o divine_n albeit_o salas_n think_v this_o question_n concern_v the_o difference_n of_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o nation_n be_v for_o the_o great_a part_n rather_o a_o verbal_a question_n and_o of_o word_n then_o real_a and_o of_o any_o great_a moment_n for_o if_o it_o be_v once_o know_v that_o any_o thing_n belong_v to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n it_o little_o import_v to_o say_v that_o it_o belong_v also_o to_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n for_o that_o all_o nation_n do_v common_o keep_v or_o use_v that_o law_n but_o it_o great_o import_v to_o know_v whether_o any_o thing_n be_v command_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n or_o only_o by_o the_o positive_a law_n of_o man_n &_o if_o it_o be_v command_v by_o positive_a law_n whether_o that_o law_n be_v common_a to_o all_o nation_n or_o no_o and_o whether_o it_o be_v common_a to_o all_o nation_n as_o it_o be_v per_fw-la se_fw-la by_o itself_o for_o that_o all_o nation_n as_o be_v one_o total_a community_n of_o mankind_n have_v decree_v it_o or_o as_o it_o be_v per_fw-la accidens_fw-la by_o accident_n for_o that_o every_o nation_n decree_a it_o by_o itself_o we_o may_v gather_v by_o induction_n that_o all_o nation_n have_v decree_v it_o and_o so_o that_o it_o be_v a_o decree_n common_a to_o all_o nation_n 19_o for_o the_o better_a understanding_n whereof_o suarez_n 3._o suarez_n lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr leg._n pap_n 19_o salas_n tract_n 14._o q._n 91._o disp_n 2._o sec_fw-la 3._o and_o salas_n do_v observe_v that_o a_o law_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v common_a to_o all_o or_o many_o nation_n either_o for_o that_o all_o or_o many_o nation_n be_v take_v several_o by_o themselves_o do_v agree_v in_o that_o law_n or_o else_o for_o that_o it_o be_v observe_v by_o the_o use_n and_o custom_n of_o all_o or_o many_o nation_n as_o they_o have_v among_o themselves_o a_o certain_a society_n and_o civil_a communication_n for_o although_o every_o city_n commonwealth_n or_o kingdom_n be_v in_o itself_o a_o perfect_a community_n and_o compose_v of_o her_o part_n and_o member_n yet_o every_o one_o of_o they_o be_v in_o some_o sort_n a_o member_n of_o this_o universal_a world_n as_o it_o appertain_v to_o mankind_n neither_o be_v those_o community_n so_o sufficient_a several_o for_o themselves_o but_o that_o they_o want_v some_o help_n society_n and_o communication_n of_o other_o sometime_o for_o great_a utility_n or_o conveniency_n and_o sometime_o for_o moral_a necessity_n and_o want_v and_o in_o regard_n of_o this_o they_o want_v some_o law_n whereby_o to_o be_v direct_v in_o this_o kind_n of_o communication_n and_o society_n and_o although_o for_o the_o most_o part_n this_o be_v do_v by_o natural_a reason_n yet_o it_o can_v be_v do_v sufficient_o and_o immediate_o for_o all_o thing_n and_o therefore_o
some_o special_a law_n may_v be_v introduce_v by_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o say_a nation_n for_o as_o in_o one_o city_n or_o province_n a_o custom_n do_v bring_v in_o a_o law_n so_o also_o in_o the_o university_n of_o mankind_n the_o law_n of_o nation_n may_v by_o custom_n be_v introduce_v and_o especial_o for_o that_o those_o thing_n which_o belong_v to_o this_o law_n be_v both_o few_o and_o also_o very_o near_o to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o have_v from_o it_o a_o very_a easy_a inference_n and_o be_v so_o profitable_a and_o convenient_a to_o nature_n itself_o that_o although_o it_o be_v not_o a_o evident_a inference_n as_o of_o a_o thing_n altogether_o necessary_a to_o moral_a honesty_n or_o virtue_n yet_o it_o be_v very_o convenient_a to_o nature_n and_o of_o itself_o acceptable_a to_o all_o man_n 20_o wherefore_o the_o opinion_n of_o these_o author_n do_v consist_v in_o these_o point_n the_o first_o be_v that_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n do_v not_o only_o permit_v or_o grant_v something_n but_o also_o command_n and_o forbid_v by_o bind_v under_o sin_n for_o that_o otherwise_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n will_v not_o proper_o be_v a_o law_n neither_o shall_v a_o law_n in_o general_a be_v take_v proper_o and_o as_o it_o be_v a_o rule_n of_o reason_n or_o of_o virtue_n and_o vice_n which_o intrinsical_o include_v some_o precept_n be_v well_o divide_v into_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n of_o nation_n 4._o vasque_n disp_n 157._o cap._n 4._o in_o fine_a thom._n prim_fw-la secun_fw-la q._n 95._o be_v 4._o and_o the_o civil_a law_n and_o yet_o vasquez_n himself_o do_v affirm_v that_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n be_v by_o s._n thomas_n right_o number_v among_o humane_a law_n beside_o the_o law_n of_o naure_n and_o the_o civil_a law_n do_v permit_v and_o grant_v many_o thing_n and_o so_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n do_v grant_v or_o permit_v but_o not_o command_v a_o man_n to_o marry_v a_o wife_n and_o to_o keep_v and_o conserve_v his_o proper_a liberty_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o proper_a to_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n to_o permit_v or_o grant_v neither_o ought_v it_o by_o this_o to_o be_v distinguish_v from_o other_o law_n moreover_o if_o a_o permissive_a or_o concessive_a law_n in_o respect_n of_o all_o mankind_n as_o live_v in_o civil_a society_n be_v call_v the_o law_n of_o nation_n why_o may_v not_o also_o a_o preceptive_a or_o command_a law_n although_o it_o suppose_v civil_a society_n in_o the_o same_o respect_n be_v call_v a_o law_n of_o nation_n neither_o can_v there_o be_v make_v any_o doubt_n but_o that_o from_o civil_a society_n and_o from_o the_o positive_a law_n of_o nation_n yea_o and_o from_o the_o civil_a law_n may_v arise_v a_o natural_a obligation_n as_o for_o subject_n to_o obey_v the_o positive_a law_n of_o their_o prince_n for_o child_n to_o honour_v their_o parent_n for_o marry_a person_n to_o observe_v conjugal_a duty_n for_o servant_n in_o general_a to_o serve_v their_o master_n seq_fw-la master_n but_o see_v above_o cha_n 6._o nu_fw-la 23._o &_o nu_fw-la 93._o &_o seq_fw-la not_o to_o take_v away_o by_o private_a authority_n the_o good_n of_o another_o man_n which_o have_v be_v give_v he_o by_o the_o positive_a law_n or_o grant_v of_o temporal_a prince_n and_o many_o such_o like_a all_o which_o do_v suppose_v some_o civil_a society_n 21_o the_o second_o be_v that_o the_o civil_a law_n and_o the_o divine_n do_v not_o speak_v common_o of_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n after_o the_o same_o manner_n for_o the_o divine_n do_v common_o call_v the_o law_n of_o nation_n that_o law_n which_o be_v ordain_v and_o make_v by_o nation_n and_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n they_o call_v that_o which_o nature_n itself_o or_o the_o prescript_n of_o natural_a reason_n without_o the_o will_n and_o decree_n of_o man_n do_v make_v and_o ordain_v but_o the_o civil_a lawyer_n do_v oftentimes_o call_v the_o law_n of_o nature_n that_o law_n or_o right_n which_o be_v common_a also_o to_o brute_n beast_n &_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n that_o law_n which_o all_o man_n and_o only_a man_n do_v use_v although-otherwise_a it_o be_v ground_v upon_o natural_a reason_n as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o ff_n de_fw-fr just_a &_o jure_fw-la where_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n be_v describe_v to_o be_v that_o which_o nature_n have_v teach_v all_o sensible_a creature_n and_o be_v not_o only_o proper_a to_o man_n but_o common_a also_o to_o beast_n fish_n and_o bird_n as_o carnal_a copulation_n get_v of_o child_n and_o bring_v of_o they_o up_o and_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n be_v describe_v to_o be_v that_o which_o all_o nation_n do_v use_v and_o which_o be_v common_a only_o to_o man_n among_o themselves_o as_o religion_n towards_o god_n to_o obey_v our_o parent_n and_o country_n to_o defend_v ourselves_o from_o wrong_n and_o injury_n and_o therefore_o as_o very_o well_o observe_v paradulphus_n prateius_n cite_v by_o salas_n 4._o salas_n disp_n 2._o seq_n 4._o unless_o one_o diligent_o observe_v which_o have_v give_v occasion_n to_o many_o man_n of_o error_n that_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n be_v by_o the_o lawyer_n sometime_o take_v for_o the_o true_a law_n of_o nature_n and_o sometime_o it_o be_v take_v for_o that_o law_n which_o be_v make_v and_o receive_v by_o the_o great_a part_n of_o mankind_n and_o do_v very_o well_o distinguish_v these_o two_o he_o will_v never_o come_v to_o the_o true_a knowledge_n of_o the_o law_n and_o therefore_o bartholus_fw-la to_o avoid_v this_o confusion_n do_v distinguish_v two_o law_n of_o nation_n the_o one_o he_o call_v ius_n primarium_fw-la the_o first_o or_o principal_a law_n and_o this_o be_v the_o very_a law_n of_o nature_n which_o he_o define_v to_o be_v that_o law_n which_o from_o the_o very_a beginning_n of_o nation_n be_v introduce_v by_o natural_a reason_n without_o any_o decree_n or_o constitution_n of_o nation_n and_o the_o other_o he_o call_v ius_n secundarium_fw-la the_o less_o principal_a law_n of_o nation_n which_o all_o nation_n do_v use_v by_o their_o own_o decree_n or_o constitution_n 22_o the_o three_o be_v that_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n be_v take_v most_o proper_o and_o rigorous_o be_v both_o a_o positive_a law_n as_o many_o doctor_n cite_v by_o salas_n do_v hold_v that_o be_v it_o be_v a_o law_n make_v and_o enact_v by_o the_o positive_a constitution_n of_o man_n and_o not_o by_o the_o prescript_n of_o natural_a reason_n 3._o salas_n disp_n 2._o sec_fw-la 3._o and_o also_o that_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n which_o do_v contain_v in_o it_o both_o the_o know_a principle_n of_o nature_n or_o natural_a reason_n and_o also_o the_o conclusion_n which_o be_v clear_o easy_o &_o direct_o deduce_v from_o those_o principle_n be_v not_o proper_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n and_o this_o also_o the_o emperor_n justinian_n do_v sufficient_o confirm_v civil_a confirm_v institut_fw-la de_fw-fr jure_fw-la nat_n gent._n &_o civil_a who_o make_v this_o distinction_n betwixt_o the_o civil_a law_n &_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n that_o whatsoever_o every_o particular_a people_n or_o nation_n do_v enact_v or_o ordain_v that_o be_v call_v the_o civil_a law_n as_o be_v a_o law_n proper_a to_o that_o city_n but_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n be_v common_a to_o all_o mankind_n for_o that_o custom_n and_o humane_a necessity_n so_o require_v the_o nation_n of_o man_n have_v make_v to_o themselves_o certain_a law_n and_o true_o if_o those_o law_n be_v natural_a they_o can_v not_o be_v well_o say_v to_o be_v make_v by_o man_n but_o by_o nature_n itself_o or_o by_o god_n the_o author_n of_o nature_n see_v therefore_o that_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n be_v not_o make_v by_o man_n it_o can_v proper_o be_v call_v the_o law_n of_o nation_n whereupon_o it_o follow_v that_o it_o be_v not_o for_o this_o cause_n only_o call_v the_o law_n of_o nation_n for_o that_o all_o nation_n do_v use_v it_o observe_v it_o receive_v or_o admit_v it_o as_o be_v easy_o and_o direct_o deduce_v from_o the_o very_a principle_n of_o nature_n but_o for_o 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that_o the_o imperial_a or_o civil_a law_n do_v not_o only_o establish_v the_o pope_n supremacy_n but_o also_o acknowledge_v the_o subjection_n of_o temporal_a prince_n to_o he_o in_o matter_n belong_v to_o their_o soul_n and_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n i_o add_v this_o inference_n 55_o whereupon_o it_o follow_v direct_o that_o it_o acknowledge_v also_o 67._o see_v supplement_n cap._n 1._o nu_fw-la 118._o pag._n 67._o by_o a_o necessary_a consequent_a that_o he_o may_v punish_v they_o temporal_o in_o their_o person_n and_o state_n when_o the_o good_a of_o soul_n and_o the_o service_n and_o glory_n of_o god_n do_v require_v it_o according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o say_a law_n which_o i_o have_v touch_v before_o to_o wit_n that_o the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a and_o that_o he_o which_o have_v the_o great_a power_n have_v also_o the_o less_o and_o therefore_o i_o conclude_v that_o the_o civil_a law_n do_v no_o way_n favour_n support_v or_o justify_v the_o oath_n and_o much_o less_o enjoin_v it_o 65._o ibid._n nu_fw-la 64_o 65._o but_o flat_o impugn_v and_o overthrow_v it_o thus_o say_v i_o in_o my_o supplement_n remit_v my_o reader_n for_o the_o more_o ample_a proof_n of_o this_o inference_n to_o that_o which_o i_o have_v before_o handle_v concern_v the_o same_o when_o i_o treat_v of_o the_o law_n of_o god_n seq_n see_v cap._n nu_fw-la 3._o &_o seq_n which_o i_o have_v also_o repeat_v in_o the_o first_o chapter_n as_o also_o i_o have_v examine_v his_o answer_n thereto_o and_o show_v they_o to_o be_v very_o idle_a and_o frivolous_a and_o therefore_o i_o may_v well_o conclude_v that_o the_o argument_n in_o my_o supplement_n ground_v as_o well_o upon_o the_o law_n of_o god_n nature_n and_o nation_n as_o upon_o the_o cuiill_v or_o imperial_a law_n do_v stand_v sound_a and_o good_a against_o the_o oath_n notwithstanding_o any_o thing_n that_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n have_v be_v hitherto_o able_a to_o bring_v to_o the_o contrary_n 56_o but_o 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absolute_a prince_n be_v not_o in_o penal_a law_n and_o odious_a matter_n comprehend_v under_o the_o general_a name_n of_o temporal_a landlord_n governor_n judge_n lord_n or_o such_o like_a be_v not_o ground_v upon_o any_o peculiar_a privilege_n proper_a to_o absolute_a prince_n for_o the_o like_a i_o affirm_v of_o a_o bishop_n and_o a_o abbot_n but_o upon_o the_o know_a rule_n of_o the_o law_n which_o there_o i_o cite_v and_o upon_o the_o authority_n of_o learned_a lawyer_n and_o therefore_o mr._n fitzherbert_n may_v have_v save_v his_o labour_n in_o seek_v out_o of_o restaurus_fw-la castaldus_n or_o other_o any_o such_o privilege_n peculiar_a to_o absolute_a prince_n neither_o also_o do_v i_o affirm_v that_o all_o lawyer_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o in_o penal_a law_n and_o odious_a matter_n a_o abbot_n be_v not_o comprehend_v under_o the_o name_n of_o a_o monk_n nor_o a_o bishop_n under_o the_o name_n of_o a_o priest_n or_o clerk_n nor_o a_o absolute_a prince_n under_o the_o name_n 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postulat_fw-la praelatorum_fw-la 1_o armilla_fw-la verbo_fw-la sacerdos_n nu_fw-la 1_o and_o again_o by_o the_o name_n of_o a_o priest_n say_v he_o in_o a_o favourable_a matter_n be_v understand_v not_o only_a prasbyter_n but_o also_o deacon_n and_o subdeacons_n but_o in_o a_o odious_a matter_n only_a presbyter_n and_o not_o therefore_o bishop_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v arg_v cap._n si_fw-la cuique_fw-la de_fw-fr cohab_n cleric_a &_o mulierum_fw-la where_o panormitan_n observe_v the_o same_o thus_o write_v armilla_n simonia_fw-la felinus_n cap._n ult._n de_fw-fr simonia_fw-la 8_o the_o like_a have_v felinus_n cap._n ult._n de_fw-fr simonia_fw-la §_o prima_fw-la conclusio_fw-la by_o the_o name_n of_o monk_n say_v he_o abbot_n be_v understand_v in_o a_o favourable_a matter_n but_o this_o conclusion_n be_v not_o true_a in_o a_o odious_a matter_n and_o for_o the_o same_o he_o cit_v panormitan_n pope_n innocent_a and_o other_o and_o a_o little_a before_o out_o of_o diverse_a text_n of_o 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ut_fw-la periculosa_fw-la ne_fw-fr clerici_fw-la vel_fw-la monachi_fw-la lib._n 6._o wherein_o be_v excommunicate_v all_o religious_a man_n who_o go_v to_o any_o school_n of_o learning_n unless_o they_o have_v first_o licence_n grant_v they_o by_o their_o prelate_n with_o the_o advice_n of_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o convent_n a_o abbot_n say_v he_o go_v to_o school_n without_o the_o licence_n of_o his_o superior_a and_o convent_n do_v not_o incur_v this_o punishment_n according_a to_o archidiaconus_fw-la geminianus_n angelus_n antoninus_n and_o navarrus_n in_o the_o place_n above_o cite_v because_o it_o be_v a_o penal_a constitution_n and_o therefore_o rather_o to_o be_v restrain_v then_o extend_v the_o same_o have_v navarre_n upon_o cap._n finali_fw-la de_fw-la simonia_fw-la from_o the_o aforesaid_a it_o be_v also_o say_v he_o infer_v that_o the_o disposition_n 5._o navar._n tom_n 2._o comment_fw-fr in_o cap._n finali_fw-la de_fw-fr simonia_fw-la nu_fw-la 5._o or_o 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not_o express_v or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o express_o name_v therein_o and_o he_o prove_v this_o by_o that_o rule_n of_o the_o law_n in_o sexto_fw-la in_o penalty_n the_o mild_a part_n be_v to_o be_v choose_v moreover_o pope_n innocent_a the_o three_o himself_o under_o who_o this_o council_n of_o lateran_n be_v hold_v rescriptis_fw-la in_o can_v sedes_fw-la apostolica_fw-la de_fw-la rescriptis_fw-la do_v express_o decree_n that_o when_o in_o his_o commission_n person_n of_o less_o worth_a &_o more_o base_a be_v only_o signify_v person_n of_o great_a worth_n and_o dignity_n be_v not_o understand_v to_o be_v include_v in_o a_o general_a clause_n now_o what_o man_n of_o judgement_n can_v make_v any_o doubt_n but_o that_o dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la be_v a_o person_n of_o less_o worth_n honour_n and_o dignity_n then_o dominus_fw-la principalis_fw-la who_o in_o the_o canon_n be_v distinguish_v from_o dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la and_o both_o of_o they_o be_v person_n of_o less_o worth_a honour_n and_o authority_n then_o be_v domini_fw-la supremi_fw-la as_o be_v emperor_n king_n and_o absolute_a prince_n and_o therefore_o these_o general_a word_n dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la dominus_fw-la principalis_fw-la be_v name_n of_o less_o worth_a and_o dignity_n then_o be_v domini_fw-la supremi_fw-la must_v not_o according_a to_o pope_n innocent_a his_o own_o rule_n comprehend_v emperor_n king_n and_o absolute_a prince_n who_o be_v the_o most_o worthy_a most_o noble_a and_o most_o principal_a lord_n and_o person_n upon_o earth_n 11_o but_o we_o will_v conclude_v this_o point_n with_o so_o plain_a and_o manifest_v a_o authority_n that_o my_o adversary_n both_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o author_n and_o also_o of_o his_o word_n be_v so_o clear_a can_v take_v against_o it_o no_o colourable_a exception_n last_o therefore_o andreas_n dwallius_n a_o famous_a doctor_n of_o paris_n and_o at_o this_o present_a the_o king_n public_a professor_n of_o divinity_n and_o also_o a_o man_n otherwise_o much_o favour_v the_o pope_n temporal_a authority_n over_o absolute_a prince_n 264._o andr._n dwal_a de_fw-fr suprema_fw-la rom_n pont._n in_o ecclesiam_fw-la potestate_fw-la part_n 2._o q._n
deserve_v punishment_n threaten_v against_o they_o may_v keep_v immooveable_a and_o without_o perturbation_n the_o peace_n of_o the_o holy_a church_n of_o god_n give_v the_o eight_o calends_n of_o june_n asclepius_n and_o deodatus_n most_o excellent_a man_n be_v consul_n 17_o now_o what_o will_v mr._n fitzherbert_n say_v to_o this_o ancient_a decree_n of_o pope_n liberius_n which_o he_o wish_v i_o well_o to_o note_v wherein_o it_o be_v decree_v that_o bishop_n if_o they_o perturb_v the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v deprive_v of_o their_o priesthood_n by_o regal_a or_o kingly_a indignation_n for_o that_o secular_a man_n be_v place_v in_o dignity_n may_v be_v deprive_v of_o their_o honour_n and_o dignity_n and_o if_o they_o be_v private_a man_n yet_o noble_a may_v forfeit_v all_o their_o good_n and_o if_o they_o be_v ignoble_a may_v be_v whip_v or_o perpetual_o banish_v by_o regal_a or_o kingly_a power_n or_o indignation_n which_o this_o canon_n also_o of_o what_o credit_n soever_o it_o be_v do_v ordain_v be_v not_o any_o way_n repugnant_a to_o my_o doctrine_n thus_o thou_o see_v good_a reader_n how_o gross_o thou_o be_v abuse_v through_o the_o fraud_n or_o ignorance_n of_o this_o unlearned_a man_n who_o nevertheless_o presume_v to_o direct_v thy_o soul_n and_o conscience_n in_o this_o so_o high_a and_o dangerous_a a_o point_n of_o thy_o allegiance_n due_a to_o god_n and_o man_n wherein_o he_o clear_o show_v himself_o to_o have_v so_o little_a skill_n 18_o three_o in_o what_o sense_n i_o affirm_v that_o king_n and_o absolute_a prince_n be_v not_o include_v in_o penal_a law_n under_o general_a word_n unless_o they_o be_v express_v by_o name_n for_o which_o respect_n also_o mr._n fitzherbert_n wish_v i_o to_o note_v well_o this_o canon_n of_o pope_n liberius_n i_o have_v declare_v before_o to_o wit_n that_o they_o be_v not_o in_o such_o law_n comprehend_v under_o general_a word_n which_o denote_v some_o inferior_a office_n or_o title_n of_o honour_n for_o 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point_n 5._o pag._n 151._o nu_fw-la 5._o 19_o now_o you_o shall_v see_v the_o three_o testimony_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n bring_v out_o of_o hostiensis_n and_o this_o say_v he_o c_o will_v be_v much_o more_o clear_a by_o the_o three_o testimony_n cite_v out_o of_o the_o canon_n law_n by_o hostiensis_n which_o he_o take_v out_o of_o the_o title_n de_fw-fr haereticia_fw-la haretice_n decret_n lib._n 5._o tit_n 7._o the_o haretice_n wherein_o there_o be_v no_o particular_a mention_n of_o absolute_a prince_n by_o the_o name_n of_o prince_n neither_o be_v there_o in_o any_o other_o decree_n concern_v their_o deposition_n but_o only_o this_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n now_o in_o question_n so_o as_o widdrington_n may_v see_v not_o only_o that_o king_n and_o absolute_a prince_n have_v no_o such_o exemption_n from_o penal_a law_n as_o he_o pretend_v but_o also_o that_o they_o be_v include_v in_o the_o general_a term_n oven_n of_o this_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n in_o the_o opinion_n of_o a_o famous_a canonist_n who_o write_v not_o pass_v fifty_o year_n after_o the_o say_a council_n and_o if_o he_o say_v that_o they_o have_v have_v this_o exemption_n or_o privilege_n since_o that_o time_n let_v he_o show_v we_o when_o and_o where_o they_o have_v it_o which_o i_o be_o sure_a he_o can_v do_v as_o it_o may_v appear_v by_o the_o canonist_n who_o comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n in_o other_o penal_a law_n wherein_o they_o be_v not_o otherwise_o mention_v then_o in_o general_a term_n as_o he_o may_v see_v in_o simanca_n in_o his_o institution_n 23._o institution_n tit._n 23._o and_o emericus_n in_o his_o three_o part_n of_o the_o directory_n 31._o directory_n q._n 31._o and_o penna_fw-la in_o his_o annotation_n upon_o the_o 96._o the_o annot._fw-la 96._o same_o 20_o but_o first_o it_o be_v untrue_a that_o in_o the_o whole_a title_n dehaereticis_fw-la there_o be_v not_o any_o other_o canon_n or_o decree_n concern_v the_o deposition_n of_o prince_n except_o this_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n if_o we_o once_o suppose_v as_o hostiensis_n do_v suppose_v that_o the_o pope_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n have_v authority_n to_o depose_v temporal_a prince_n and_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n for_o this_o once_o suppose_a they_o may_v very_o well_o be_v include_v in_o the_o last_o canon_n of_o this_o title_n de_fw-fr haereticis_fw-la wherein_o pope_n gregory_n the_o nine_o do_v decree_n and_o declare_v that_o whosoever_o be_v bind_v or_o oblige_v to_o manifest_a heretic_n by_o any_o covenant_n strengthen_v with_o never_o so_o great_a security_n be_v absolve_v from_o the_o bond_n of_o all_o allegiance_n homage_n and_o obedience_n for_o in_o those_o word_n whosoever_o and_o manifest_a heretic_n and_o such_o like_a general_a term_n which_o denote_v no_o title_n of_o office_n honour_n or_o dignity_n inferior_a to_o kingly_a majesty_n all_o man_n whatsoever_o even_o king_n and_o absolute_a prince_n may_v be_v include_v if_o it_o be_v once_o grant_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v absolute_a prince_n but_o because_o it_o be_v probable_a as_o i_o have_v prove_v at_o large_a above_o in_o this_o treatise_n that_o the_o pope_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n have_v no_o authority_n to_o depose_v temporal_a prince_n or_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n it_o consequent_o follow_v that_o it_o be_v also_o probable_a that_o neither_o the_o aforesaid_a canon_n absolutos_fw-la nor_o any_o other_o canon_n make_v in_o such_o general_a word_n wherein_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v inflict_v can_v comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n but_o that_o all_o such_o like_a canon_n be_v make_v either_o by_o the_o pope_n as_o he_o be_v a_o temporal_a prince_n and_o consequent_o be_v of_o force_n only_o in_o the_o territory_n of_o the_o church_n or_o the_o pope_n temporal_a dominion_n or_o else_o that_o they_o be_v make_v by_o the_o consent_n of_o temporal_a prince_n and_o have_v their_o force_n to_o bind_v from_o their_o authority_n and_o consequent_o do_v concern_v only_o inferior_a person_n or_o subject_n and_o not_o absolute_a prince_n themselves_o who_o be_v free_a from_o the_o coercive_v power_n of_o those_o law_n which_o be_v make_v by_o their_o own_o authority_n 21_o so_o that_o although_o i_o will_v not_o now_o contend_v neither_o do_v i_o much_o regard_n of_o what_o opinion_n hostiensis_n be_v concern_v the_o sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o this_o canon_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n yet_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o mr._n fitzherbert_n have_v not_o hitherto_o prove_v out_o of_o hostiensis_n as_o he_o pretend_v to_o prove_v that_o absolute_a prince_n be_v comprehend_v in_o the_o penal_a law_n of_o the_o church_n under_o such_o general_a name_n which_o denote_v some_o office_n honour_n dignity_n or_o title_n inferior_a to_o kingly_a majesty_n neither_o do_v simancas_n emericus_n or_o pegna_fw-la in_o the_o place_n cite_v by_o my_o adversary_n 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we_o and_o not_o much_o amiss_o and_o therefore_o let_v we_o see_v how_o he_o will_v answer_v it_o he_o give_v to_o this_o objection_n three_o answer_n the_o first_o be_v that_o both_o pope_n and_o counsel_n do_v oftentimes_o decree_v many_o thing_n which_o belong_v rather_o to_o the_o political_a or_o temporal_a then_o to_o the_o spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a power_n to_o decree_n with_o the_o express_a or_o tacit_a consent_n of_o prince_n who_o be_v there_o present_a by_o themselves_o or_o their_o ambassador_n or_o at_o leastwise_o presume_v or_o hope_v that_o prince_n will_v ratify_v the_o same_o and_o this_o say_v some_o expositor_n of_o the_o canon_n law_n say_v joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la for_o hostiensis_n extra_fw-la de_fw-la haereticis_fw-la cap._n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la where_o the_o pope_n command_v the_o good_n of_o heretic_n to_o be_v confiscate_v demand_v what_o the_o pope_n have_v to_o do_v with_o temporall_n and_o he_o answer_v with_o his_o lord_n pope_n innocent_a that_o in_o very_a deed_n he_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v therewith_o but_o he_o make_v this_o decree_n with_o the_o assent_n of_o the_o emperor_n who_o be_v then_o present_a at_o padua_n give_v his_o consent_n 3_o this_o be_v widdrington_n first_o answer_n wherein_o you_o see_v he_o rely_v special_o upon_o the_o authority_n of_o joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la who_o ground_v his_o opinion_n upon_o hostiensis_n allege_v he_o to_o no_o purpose_n at_o all_o partly_o for_o that_o no_o such_o thing_n be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o hostiensis_n in_o the_o place_n which_o he_o quote_v to_o wit_n extra_fw-la de_fw-la haereticis_fw-la cap._n redempt_n hostiens_fw-la in_o cap._n quod_fw-la super_fw-la his_fw-la de_fw-la voto_fw-la &_o volt_v redempt_n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la and_o partly_o because_o hostiensis_n not_o only_o teach_v evident_o elsewhere_o that_o the_o pope_n have_v direct_a dominion_n over_o all_o temporal_a state_n whereupon_o it_o follow_v that_o he_o may_v dispose_v 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the_o lateran_n council_n see_v that_o in_o substance_n they_o little_o differ_v ut_fw-la comites_fw-la barones_n rectores_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o earl_n baron_n governor_n and_o consul_n of_o city_n and_o of_o other_o place_n who_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n comprehend_v under_o the_o name_n of_o dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la dominus_fw-la principalis_fw-la &_o non_fw-la habens_fw-la dominos_fw-la principale_n shall_v promise_v by_o make_v a_o corporal_a oath_n according_a as_o they_o shall_v be_v admonish_v by_o the_o bishop_n that_o they_o will_v faithful_o and_o effectual_o when_o they_o shall_v be_v require_v by_o they_o help_v the_o church_n against_o heretic_n and_o their_o partaker_n unfeigned_o according_a to_o their_o office_n and_o power_n and_o if_o they_o shall_v not_o observe_v the_o same_o let_v they_o be_v deprive_v of_o the_o honour_n which_o they_o have_v and_o let_v they_o in_o no_o wise_n be_v assume_v to_o other_o honour_n etc._n etc._n the_o cardinal_n hostiensis_n upon_o these_o word_n ut_fw-la comites_fw-la etc._n etc._n to_o prove_v the_o validity_n of_o this_o canon_n among_o other_o answer_n he_o give_v also_o this_o which_o he_o do_v not_o confute_v that_o some_o doctor_n do_v say_v that_o therefore_o this_o canon_n be_v of_o force_n because_o the_o emperor_n be_v present_a and_o give_v his_o consent_n secundum_fw-la d._n n._n according_a to_o pope_n innocent_a the_o four_o who_o he_o call_v dominum_fw-la nostrum_fw-la 6_o the_o same_o answer_n also_o have_v joannes_n andreas_n expound_v that_o word_n comites_fw-la note_v say_v he_o that_o the_o pope_n do_v decree_n concern_v lay-man_n but_o this_o be_v in_o regard_n of_o sin_n other_o say_v that_o therefore_o these_o decree_n be_v of_o force_n because_o the_o prince_n give_v his_o consent_n and_o be_v present_a and_o also_o the_o same_o answer_n make_v pope_n innocent_a the_o four_o expound_v the_o same_o word_n comites_fw-la note_v say_v he_o that_o the_o pope_n may_v 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and_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o parliament_n of_o paris_n make_v the_o second_o of_o january_n 1615._o 39_o and_o thus_o much_o concern_v the_o lord_n cardinal_n of_o peron_n who_o in_o truth_n i_o be_v very_o loath_a to_o mention_v for_o the_o great_a reverence_n and_o respect_n wherewith_o i_o honour_v his_o grace_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o singular_a gift_n of_o honour_n and_o nature_n wherewith_o he_o be_v adorn_v but_o that_o the_o defence_n of_o truth_n in_o this_o important_a question_n touch_v our_o duty_n to_o god_n and_o caesar_n and_o of_o my_o innocency_n which_o the_o slanderous_a tongue_n of_o some_o have_v unjust_o brand_v with_o the_o infamous_a note_n of_o error_n and_o heresy_n for_o impugn_v their_o new_a invent_a catholic_a faith_n touch_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n and_o also_o the_o publish_n of_o his_o oration_n to_o the_o view_n of_o the_o world_n whereby_o many_o unlearned_a catholic_n not_o be_v able_a to_o discern_v his_o artificial_a and_o cunning_a manner_n both_o in_o propound_v and_o handle_v this_o dangerous_a question_n touch_v the_o deposition_n of_o prince_n be_v pitiful_o delude_v and_o seduce_v have_v urge_v i_o thereunto_o now_o to_o the_o matter_n from_o whence_o upon_o this_o occasion_n give_v i_o by_o my_o adversary_n touch_v the_o doctrine_n of_o joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la i_o have_v make_v this_o digression_n 40_o and_o as_o for_o the_o matter_n itself_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 7._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 160._o n._n 7._o for_o the_o which_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n produce_v their_o testimony_n to_o wit_n to_o prove_v that_o many_o decree_n of_o the_o pope_n and_o general_a counsel_n touch_v temporal_a thing_n have_v be_v always_o make_v with_o the_o express_a 47._o nu._n 47._o or_o secret_a consent_n of_o prince_n i_o can_v see_v what_o he_o can_v gain_v or_o prove_v thereby_o for_o the_o question_n now_o in_o hand_n if_o it_o shall_v be_v grant_v he_o for_o will_v he_o infer_v that_o because_o many_o thing_n have_v be_v decree_v by_o pope_n and_o counsel_n touch_v temporal_a matter_n therefore_o no_o such_o thing_n can_v be_v decree_v in_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n without_o they_o who_o see_v not_o the_o weakness_n and_o absurdity_n of_o this_o inference_n see_v that_o nothing_o else_o can_v follow_v of_o those_o premise_n direct_o but_o that_o as_o diverse_a other_o decree_n concern_v temporal_a matter_n have_v be_v make_v with_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o prince_n so_o also_o it_o may_v be_v that_o this_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n be_v make_v in_o like_a manner_n with_o their_o consent_n which_o no_o man_n will_v deny_v yea_o we_o willing_o grant_v not_o only_o that_o it_o may_v be_v so_o but_o also_o that_o it_o be_v so_o and_o infer_v thereupon_o that_o forasmuch_o as_o all_o christian_a prince_n give_v their_o consent_n to_o this_o canon_n in_o that_o famous_a general_a council_n which_o be_v as_o i_o may_v say_v the_o parliament_n of_o all_o christendom_n therefore_o they_o be_v and_o ever_o shall_v be_v subject_a thereto_o except_o it_o be_v repeal_v by_o some_o other_o general_a council_n of_o like_a authority_n but_o how_o do_v it_o follow_v that_o because_o this_o and_o diverse_a other_o canon_n concern_v political_a matter_n have_v be_v ratify_v by_o temporal_a prince_n therefore_o they_o can_v not_o be_v lawful_o make_v without_o their_o consent_n which_o be_v the_o point_n that_o widdrington_n must_v prove_v if_o he_o will_v argue_v to_o the_o purpose_n 41_o but_o if_o mr._n fitzherbert_n have_v be_v please_v to_o consider_v with_o a_o indifferent_a eye_n my_o answer_n and_o the_o principal_a drift_n and_o scope_n thereof_o he_o may_v easy_o have_v see_v that_o my_o answer_n be_v good_a and_o strong_a and_o the_o authority_n which_o i_o bring_v from_o joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la and_o hostiensis_n sufficient_a to_o confirm_v the_o same_o for_o my_o principal_a answer_n be_v this_o that_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n do_v not_o in_o those_o general_a word_n dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la dominus_fw-la principalis_fw-la &_o non_fw-la habens_fw-la dominos_fw-la principales_fw-la comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n but_o only_o inferior_a landlord_n magistrate_n or_o lord_n it_o be_v make_v by_o the_o consent_n and_o authority_n of_o absolute_a prince_n as_o ordain_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o to_o ordain_v do_v not_o belong_v to_o the_o spiritual_a but_o only_o to_o the_o temporal_a power_n and_o that_o therefore_o not_o only_o it_o do_v not_o but_o also_o it_o can_v not_o in_o those_o general_a word_n comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n themselves_o by_o who_o authority_n it_o be_v make_v and_o to_o prevent_v a_o objection_n which_o i_o foresee_v some_o may_v make_v to_o wit_n that_o the_o decree_n and_o canon_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n have_v their_o force_n to_o bind_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o from_o the_o consent_n approbation_n ratification_n or_o authority_n of_o temporal_a prince_n i_o give_v the_o aforesaid_a answer_n that_o pope_n and_o counsel_n do_v oftentimes_o ordain_v many_o thing_n which_o to_o ordain_v belong_v rather_o to_o the_o civil_a then_o to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n by_o the_o express_a or_o tacit_a consent_n of_o prince_n who_o be_v present_a by_o themselves_o or_o their_o ambassador_n or_o else_o presume_v or_o at_o leastwise_o hope_v that_o temporal_a prince_n will_v ratify_v the_o same_o and_o for_o the_o confirmation_n hereof_o i_o bring_v the_o authority_n of_o hostiensis_n who_o affirm_v that_o according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o some_o doctor_n which_o also_o pope_n innocent_a &_o io._n andreas_n do_v affirm_v that_o the_o canon_n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la de_fw-la haereticis_fw-la wherein_o it_o be_v ordain_v that_o if_o count_n and_o baron_n rectour_n and_o consul_n of_o city_n and_o of_o other_o place_n do_v refuse_v to_o take_v a_o oath_n to_o defend_v the_o church_n against_o heretic_n they_o shall_v be_v deprive_v of_o their_o honour_n have_v therefore_o force_v to_o bind_v because_o the_o emperor_n give_v his_o consent_n thereunto_o and_o that_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n if_o this_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n have_v therefore_o force_v to_o bind_v for_o that_o temporal_a prince_n consent_v thereunto_o 42_o and_o by_o this_o it_o be_v clear_a that_o my_o meaning_n be_v not_o only_o to_o affirm_v that_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v make_v by_o the_o consent_n of_o absolute_a prince_n only_o in_o that_o manner_n as_o absolute_a prince_n do_v give_v their_o consent_n to_o the_o make_n of_o ecclesiastical_a law_n and_o canon_n which_o do_v mere_o proceed_v from_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a authority_n but_o also_o that_o it_o be_v make_v by_o the_o consent_n and_o authority_n of_o absolute_a prince_n for_o that_o to_o ordain_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n belong_v rather_o to_o the_o civil_a then_o to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o therefore_o it_o will_v not_o have_v have_v force_n to_o bind_v unless_o absolute_a prince_n have_v consent_v thereunto_o as_o likewise_o the_o canon_n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la wherein_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v inflict_v be_v therefore_o of_o force_n according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o some_o canonist_n as_o hostiensis_n relate_v for_o that_o the_o emperor_n consent_v thereunto_o although_o the_o ordain_v or_o inflict_v of_o excommunication_n which_o in_o that_o canon_n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la be_v join_v together_o with_o the_o deprivation_n of_o temporal_a honour_n as_o it_o be_v also_o join_v in_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n do_v proceed_v and_o have_v force_v to_o bind_v from_o the_o spiritual_a authority_n of_o the_o church_n to_o who_o only_o it_o belong_v to_o inflict_v
19_o c._n 17._o &_o iuo_o p._n 15._o c._n 88_o vide_fw-la binium_fw-la tom_fw-mi 1._o council_n in_o notis_fw-la in_o council_n eliber_n &_o baron_fw-fr tom_fw-mi 2._o annal._n anno_fw-la 305._o in_o fine_a but_o also_o in_o time_n of_o lent_n and_o easter_n assign_v for_o the_o late_a ayeeres_n penance_n or_o to_o pay_v five_o and_o twenty_o shilling_n to_o the_o church_n or_o to_o the_o poor_a and_o in_o another_o canon_n they_o ordain_v that_o bishop_n and_o their_o minister_n 115._o minister_n burchard_n l._n 11._o c._n 67._o iuo_o p._n 14._o c._n 115._o may_v whip_v husbandman_n with_o rod_n for_o great_a crime_n to_o make_v they_o do_v penance_n against_o their_o will_n lest_o they_o may_v perish_v eternal_o in_o which_o canon_n as_o also_o in_o the_o former_a decree_n of_o the_o pope_n callixtus_n and_o vrbanus_n the_o penalty_n impose_v be_v mere_a temporal_a albeit_o there_o be_v not_o then_o as_o i_o have_v say_v any_o christian_a prince_n to_o ratify_v the_o same_o 54_o but_o this_o proof_n also_o be_v as_o insufficient_a as_o the_o former_a first_o for_o that_o many_o learned_a man_n as_o the_o reader_n may_v see_v in_o binnius_n to_o who_o mr._n fitzherbert_n remit_v he_o do_v reject_v this_o council_n and_o account_v it_o erroneous_a for_o decree_a certain_a error_n so_o melchior_n canus_n 9_o canus_n l._n 5._o de_fw-la locis_fw-la c._n 4._o bellar._n l._n 2._o de_fw-la imaginib_fw-la c._n 9_o and_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o although_o baronius_n cite_v also_o by_o binnius_n excuse_v the_o father_n of_o that_o council_n yet_o for_o that_o they_o seem_v in_o diverse_a of_o their_o decree_n to_o favour_v the_o error_n of_o novatian_n which_o be_v displease_v to_o their_o successor_n his_o opinion_n be_v that_o there_o be_v no_o mention_n make_v by_o name_n of_o this_o synod_n by_o ancient_a writer_n and_o so_o it_o do_v remain_v almost_o abolish_v and_o yet_o my_o adversary_n will_v from_o this_o council_n bring_v forsooth_o a_o convince_a proof_n 55_o second_o for_o that_o these_o two_o decree_n cite_v here_o by_o mr._n fitzherbert_n be_v not_o place_v with_o the_o other_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n but_o be_v adjoin_v as_o certain_a fragment_n belong_v thereunto_o wherefore_o if_o some_o author_n as_o vasquez_n witness_v stick_v not_o to_o affirm_v 1._o vasq_fw-la 3._o part_n disp_n 105_o cap._n 2_o tom_n 1._o that_o diverse_a decree_n which_o be_v place_v among_o the_o canon_n of_o this_o council_n be_v not_o make_v by_o the_o council_n but_o by_o some_o one_o or_o other_o adjoin_v afterward_o with_o far_o great_a reason_n it_o may_v be_v say_v that_o these_o two_o decree_n which_o by_o binnius_n be_v repute_v only_o as_o fragment_n and_o not_o place_v among_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o canon_n be_v not_o make_v by_o the_o council_n but_o adjoin_v afterward_o by_o some_o one_o or_o other_o who_o burchardus_fw-la iuo_o &_o other_o follow_v do_v attribute_v they_o to_o this_o council_n in_o that_o manner_n as_o diverse_a book_n be_v attribute_v to_o s._n augustine_n s._n chrysostome_n and_o other_o father_n &_o be_v print_v among_o their_o work_n &_o under_o their_o name_n which_o be_v never_o make_v by_o they_o 56_o three_o for_o that_o some_o learned_a man_n as_o garsias_n loaisa_n interpreter_n loaisa_n who_o binnius_n in_o the_o place_n above_o cite_v call_v a_o most_o learned_a interpreter_n a_o collectour_n of_o all_o the_o counsel_n hold_v in_o spain_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o this_o council_n be_v not_o celebrate_v in_o the_o time_n of_o constantius_n and_o galerius_n but_o after_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a in_o the_o time_n of_o constantine_n the_o great_a and_o therefore_o no_o convince_a proof_n can_v be_v bring_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o this_o council_n as_o my_o adversary_n pretend_v to_o show_v that_o in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o pagan_a emperor_n temporal_a and_o corporal_a punishment_n be_v not_o only_o command_v but_o also_o ordain_v by_o the_o church_n without_o the_o ratification_n and_o consent_n of_o any_o temporal_a prince_n see_v that_o according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n this_o council_n be_v not_o hold_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o pagan_a emperor_n but_o after_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a in_o the_o time_n of_o constantine_n the_o great_a who_o as_o we_o may_v well_o suppose_v will_v ratify_v whatsoever_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v think_v expedient_a and_o necessary_a for_o the_o spiritual_a good_a thereof_o and_o the_o eternal_a salvation_n of_o soul_n 57_o but_o last_o from_o these_o two_o canon_n here_o cite_v by_o my_o adversary_n this_o only_a at_o the_o most_o can_v be_v forcible_o deduce_v that_o spiritual_a pastor_n have_v authority_n to_o impose_v command_n and_o enjoin_v temporal_a and_o corporal_a penance_n punishment_n and_o affliction_n as_o to_o abstain_v for_o certain_a day_n from_o carnal_a copulation_n and_o likewise_o to_o fast_o to_o wear_v haircloth_n to_o give_v alm_n and_o such_o like_a which_o be_v ordain_v in_o the_o first_o canon_n or_o to_o beat_v themselves_o or_o else_o to_o suffer_v themselves_o for_o their_o penance_n to_o be_v beat_v with_o rod_n which_o be_v ordain_v in_o the_o second_o canon_n and_o of_o this_o i_o never_o make_v doubt_n but_o i_o do_v ever_o grant_v that_o the_o church_n have_v authority_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n to_o impose_v enjoin_v or_o command_v temporal_a and_o corporal_a affliction_n penalty_n or_o punishment_n but_o all_o the_o difficulty_n betwixt_o my_o adversary_n and_o i_o be_v concern_v the_o coercive_v compulsive_a or_o punish_v power_n of_o the_o church_n that_o be_v if_o they_o shall_v refuse_v to_o obey_v the_o commandment_n of_o their_o pastor_n and_o will_v not_o abstain_v from_o the_o act_n of_o matrimony_n nor_o beat_v themselves_o nor_o suffer_v themselves_o to_o be_v beat_v with_o rod_n with_o what_o kind_n of_o punishment_n can_v the_o church_n by_o her_o spiritual_a authority_n which_o she_o have_v receive_v from_o christ_n force_n and_o compel_v they_o thereunto_o to_o wit_n whether_o by_o inflict_v upon_o they_o temporal_a and_o corporal_a punishment_n as_o my_o adversary_n contend_v or_o only_o spiritual_a censure_n by_o deprive_v they_o either_o whole_o or_o in_o part_n of_o spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n as_o many_o other_o catholic_n do_v probable_o according_a to_o my_o doctrine_n affirm_v this_o be_v the_o plain_a and_o main_a controversy_n as_o i_o have_v often_o say_v 58_o neither_o can_v it_o be_v prove_v by_o any_o of_o these_o canon_n that_o the_o coercive_v or_o compulsive_a spiritual_a power_n of_o spiritual_a pastor_n do_v extend_v to_o the_o inflict_v of_o corporal_a or_o temporal_a punishment_n but_o only_o of_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n as_o it_o may_v sufficient_o appear_v by_o the_o second_o canon_n here_o cite_v wherein_o be_v decree_v that_o si_fw-mi seniores_fw-la ipsorum_fw-la colonorum_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o the_o more_o ancient_a of_o these_o husbandman_n give_v thereby_o to_o understand_v that_o the_o husbandman_n who_o be_v to_o be_v whip_v by_o the_o bishop_n or_o their_o minister_n for_o penance_n be_v boy_n or_o youth_n shall_v take_v it_o in_o ill_a part_n or_o will_v therefore_o use_v any_o revenge_n or_o shall_v presume_v to_o defend_v they_o that_o they_o be_v not_o beat_v they_o shall_v be_v punish_v with_o the_o sentence_n of_o ecclesiastical_a excommunication_n wherefore_o those_o word_n of_o this_o canon_n that_o they_o may_v do_v penance_n against_o their_o will_n be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v against_o their_o will_n simple_o and_o absolute_o by_o corporal_a force_n and_o violence_n which_o take_v away_o all_o willingness_n for_o such_o kind_n of_o penance_n or_o satisfaction_n be_v not_o acceptable_a before_o almighty_a god_n or_o of_o any_o merit_n at_o all_o before_o god_n but_o they_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v against_o their_o will_n secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la in_o some_o 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consent_n and_o authority_n of_o
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death_n against_o any_o malefactor_n who_o deserve_v the_o same_o although_o he_o shall_v offend_v against_o the_o prohibition_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o he_o shall_v not_o offend_v against_o justice_n usurp_v the_o power_n which_o he_o have_v not_o &_o by_o do_v that_o which_o for_o want_v of_o temporal_a jurisdiction_n he_o have_v no_o authority_n to_o do_v in_o that_o manner_n as_o a_o other_o man_n who_o have_v no_o temporal_a jurisdiction_n and_o condemn_v one_o to_o death_n shall_v offend_v 14_o second_o therefore_o although_o i_o do_v not_o deny_v that_o the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n be_v express_o ordain_v in_o diverse_a place_n of_o the_o canon_n law_n as_o also_o the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n by_o mutilation_n and_o death_n be_v express_o ordain_v in_o this_o canon_n howsoever_o my_o adversary_n very_o bold_o say_v that_o the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n by_o mutilation_n or_o death_n be_v no_o way_n ordain_v therein_o yet_o if_o we_o distinguish_v ordain_v from_o command_v 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of_o city_n and_o other_o place_n if_o they_o neglect_v to_o help_v the_o church_n against_o heretic_n be_v deprive_v of_o their_o honour_n 15_o nevertheless_o these_o canon_n wherein_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v ordain_v for_o that_o they_o be_v make_v by_o sacred_a spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a person_n though_o not_o by_o sacred_a spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a but_o by_o temporal_a and_o civil_a authority_n grant_v they_o by_o the_o privilege_n gift_n or_o consent_v of_o temporal_a prince_n may_v be_v call_v sacred_a ecclesiastical_a and_o apostolical_a canon_n 4._o gerson_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la eccles_n consider_v 4._o according_a to_o that_o which_o i._n gerson_n write_v that_o there_o be_v some_o of_o opinion_n that_o excommunication_n be_v the_o last_o punishment_n which_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n by_o the_o first_o institution_n of_o christ_n can_v inflict_v so_o that_o it_o be_v not_o extend_v to_o imprisonment_n nor_o that_o any_o man_n be_v adjudge_v to_o death_n or_o corporal_a whip_n but_o when_o the_o ecclesiastical_a judge_n do_v this_o he_o do_v it_o by_o the_o grant_n of_o prince_n as_o the_o clergy_n by_o the_o devotion_n of_o prince_n have_v receive_v great_a authority_n of_o temporal_a jurisdiction_n which_o jurisdiction_n or_o censure_n be_v nevertheless_o call_v spiritual_a as_o also_o the_o temporal_a good_n of_o ecclesiastical_a person_n be_v call_v spiritual_a because_o they_o be_v dedicate_v and_o apply_v to_o they_o who_o serve_v the_o church_n as_o also_o the_o bread_n of_o proposition_n the_o first_o fruit_n the_o tithe_n also_o the_o vessel_n of_o the_o temple_n the_o vestment_n and_o such_o like_a be_v in_o the_o old_a law_n call_v sacred_a or_o holy_a so_o also_o the_o new_a law_n do_v observe_v the_o same_o thus_o gerson_n 16_o three_o the_o gloss_n itself_o do_v teach_v say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n publicat_fw-la fitzherbert_n pag._n 167._o num_fw-la 6._o glossa_fw-la in_o verb._n publicat_fw-la 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canon_n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la which_o be_v ground_v upon_o these_o two_o contrary_a opinion_n touch_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o deprive_v layman_n of_o their_o temporal_a honour_n 20_o but_o the_o reason_n of_o mr._n fitzherberts_n error_n be_v for_o that_o he_o silly_a man_n seem_v to_o be_v ignorant_a how_o according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o logic_n modall_a proposition_n be_v contradictory_n one_o to_o the_o other_o for_o to_o make_v they_o contradictory_n the_o contradiction_n must_v be_v in_o the_o modus_fw-la and_o not_o in_o the_o dictum_fw-la as_o these_o two_o proposition_n be_v not_o contradictory_n for_o that_o both_o they_o may_v be_v together_o true_a it_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n that_o our_o saviour_n word_n to_o pilate_n thou_o shall_v not_o etc._n etc._n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o true_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n for_o so_o teach_v saint_n augustine_n and_o saint_n bernard_n and_o it_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n that_o they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o true_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n but_o only_o of_o divine_a permission_n for_o so_o saint_n cyrill_n and_o saint_n chrysostome_n do_v affirm_v but_o to_o make_v they_o contradictory_n the_o contradiction_n must_v be_v in_o the_o modus_fw-la as_o thus_o it_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n that_o those_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o true_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n and_o it_o be_v not_o the_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o true_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n for_o these_o two_o proposition_n can_v be_v both_o true_a but_o if_o the_o one_o be_v true_a the_o other_o must_v of_o necessity_n be_v false_a and_o contrariwise_o see_v therefore_o that_o the_o gloss_n here_o upon_o the_o canon_n hadrianus_n do_v not_o intend_v to_o bring_v only_o those_o exposition_n of_o this_o canon_n which_o be_v certain_a and_o out_o of_o controversy_n but_o which_o be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o doctrine_n and_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n although_o the_o first_o gloss_n be_v contradictory_n to_o the_o second_o in_o the_o dictum_fw-la yet_o because_o they_o be_v not_o contradictory_n in_o the_o modus_fw-la for_o that_o both_o of_o they_o be_v approve_v by_o learned_a man_n the_o glosser_n can_v be_v true_o say_v to_o contradict_v himself_o in_o bring_v these_o two_o contrary_a gloss_n of_o the_o same_o word_n both_o which_o learned_a author_n do_v maintain_v 21_o but_o three_o neither_o can_v mr._n fitzherbert_n sufficient_o prove_v that_o the_o former_a gloss_n make_v flat_a against_o i_o and_o contradict_v the_o second_o so_o much_o as_o in_o the_o dictum_fw-la for_o albeit_o the_o express_a word_n of_o the_o former_a gloss_n be_v these_o here_o the_o church_n do_v confiscate_v the_o good_n of_o layman_n and_o sometime_o depose_v they_o from_o dignity_n yet_o these_o word_n confiscate_v and_o depose_v may_v very_o well_o be_v understand_v as_o the_o same_o gloss_n expound_v the_o word_n depose_v upon_o the_o canon_n alius_fw-la 15._o q._n 6._o where_o it_o be_v write_v that_o pope_n zacharie_n do_v depose_v the_o king_n of_o france_n for_o after_o the_o gloss_n have_v bring_v argument_n pro_fw-la and_o contra_fw-la for_o and_o against_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v the_o emperor_n at_o the_o last_o he_o answer_v thus_o he_o be_v say_v to_o have_v depose_v the_o king_n who_o consent_v to_o they_o that_o depose_v he_o or_o which_o in_o sense_n be_v all_o one_o as_o other_o expound_v who_o teach_v or_o declare_v that_o he_o may_v be_v depose_v and_o according_a to_o this_o exposition_n the_o late_a gloss_n do_v not_o contradict_v the_o former_a but_o be_v rather_o a_o explication_n thereof_o for_o it_o be_v all_o one_o in_o sense_n to_o say_v that_o the_o church_n do_v confiscate_v the_o good_n of_o layman_n and_o sometime_o depose_v they_o from_o dignity_n to_o wit_n by_o consent_v to_o they_o who_o do_v depose_v and_o confiscate_v or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o by_o teach_v and_o declare_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v depose_v and_o their_o good_n confiscate_v which_o be_v the_o former_a gloss_n and_o to_o say_v that_o the_o church_n do_v teach_v or_o declare_v what_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v by_o the_o secular_a prince_n or_o judge_n concern_v the_o depose_n of_o layman_n and_o confiscate_v their_o good_n which_o be_v the_o late_a gloss_n and_o as_o you_o have_v see_v all_o one_o in_o sense_n with_o the_o former_a 22_o beside_o the_o former_a of_o these_o two_o gloss_n here_o do_v only_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n do_v confiscate_v the_o good_n of_o layman_n and_o sometime_o depose_v they_o from_o dignity_n which_o i_o never_o deny_v but_o that_o the_o church_n do_v confiscate_v the_o good_n of_o lay_v man_n and_o depose_v they_o from_o dignity_n by_o that_o spiritual_a power_n which_o she_o have_v receive_v from_o christ_n and_o not_o only_o from_o that_o temporal_a authority_n wherewith_o 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or_o lord_n who_o remain_v excommunicate_v for_o a_o whole_a year_n for_o neglect_v to_o purge_v their_o territory_n of_o heretical_a filth_n and_o thus_o much_o concern_v the_o apostle_n decree_n 22_o and_o the_o like_a also_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 5._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 179._o nu_fw-la 4._o 5._o may_v be_v say_v concern_v other_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n the_o impugner_n whereof_o have_v be_v hold_v and_o condemn_v by_o the_o church_n for_o heretic_n as_o for_o example_n it_o be_v decree_v 83._o decree_v baron_fw-fr a_o 159_o euseb_n lib._n 23._o cap._n 22._o 23._o 24_o &_o 25._o theod._n lib._n 1._o c._n 9_o athan._n in_o epist_n de_fw-fr synod_n arimin_n ambros_n epist_n 83._o by_o pope_n pius_n the_o first_o and_o confirm_v by_o pope_n victor_n and_o after_o by_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a that_o the_o feast_n of_o easter_n shall_v be_v celebrate_v at_o the_o same_o time_n that_o now_o it_o be_v keep_v universal_o throughout_o christendom_n according_a to_o 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obey_v his_o declarative_a precept_n contain_v in_o his_o breve_n humble_o request_v he_o that_o in_o regard_n of_o his_o fatherly_a care_n and_o pastoral_a duty_n he_o will_v vouchsafe_v to_o instruct_v we_o in_o the_o catholic_a faith_n and_o to_o make_v know_v unto_o we_o but_o one_o of_o those_o many_o thing_n which_o he_o say_v be_v in_o the_o oath_n so_o manifest_o repugnant_a to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n 17_o whereby_o the_o reader_n may_v easy_o perceive_v the_o egregious_a fraud_n of_o this_o my_o unlearned_a adversary_n in_o urge_v so_o vehement_o to_o my_o disgrace_n the_o objection_n draw_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o his_o holiness_n breve_n &_o conceal_v the_o principal_a answer_n which_o i_o bring_v thereunto_o &_o whereby_o i_o clear_v myself_o from_o all_o just_a imputation_n of_o irreverence_n or_o undutiful_a respect_n to_o his_o holiness_n for_o what_o irreverence_n or_o undutiful_a respect_n to_o his_o holiness_n can_v be_v just_o imagine_v in_o propound_v to_o he_o be_v the_o supreme_a pastor_n of_o our_o soul_n with_o all_o reverend_a and_o respective_a word_n the_o reason_n which_o do_v move_v we_o to_o think_v that_o he_o have_v be_v misinform_v of_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o oath_n and_o the_o difficulty_n which_o do_v perplex_v our_o conscience_n concern_v his_o breve_n and_o humble_o request_v he_o in_o regard_n of_o his_o fatherly_a love_n and_o pastoral_a office_n that_o he_o will_v vouchsafe_v to_o teach_v we_o &_o instruct_v we_o in_o the_o catholic_a faith_n &_o in_o those_o thing_n which_o he_o say_v be_v in_o the_o oath_n contrary_a to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n no_o catholic_a subject_n be_v bind_v so_o to_o respect_n and_o reverence_v his_o superior_a albeit_o he_o be_v the_o pope_n as_o to_o obey_v his_o commandment_n with_o blind_a obedience_n when_o his_o conscience_n do_v dictate_v unto_o he_o that_o they_o be_v unjust_a but_o he_o may_v with_o all_o dutiful_a respect_n propound_v to_o his_o superior_a although_o he_o be_v the_o
ground_v upon_o presumption_n and_o upon_o his_o own_o opinion_n and_o private_a judgement_n whereby_o he_o persuade_v himself_o that_o the_o thing_n which_o he_o forbid_v be_v otherwise_o unlawful_a as_o be_v forbid_v by_o some_o former_a law_n who_o opinion_n and_o also_o declarative_a commandment_n ground_v only_o upon_o his_o opinion_n when_o it_o be_v against_o the_o probable_a doctrine_n of_o other_o catholic_a divine_n may_v not_o only_o be_v interpret_v but_o also_o contradict_v as_o i_o show_v before_o out_o of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o suarez_n see_v therefore_o that_o this_o second_o breve_fw-la be_v only_a a_o approve_v and_o confirm_v of_o the_o former_a it_o can_v have_v no_o more_o force_n to_o bind_v then_o the_o former_a have_v for_o confirm_v whereof_o it_o be_v write_v by_o his_o holiness_n 27_o by_o this_o you_o may_v see_v that_o i_o do_v not_o say_v as_o mr._n fitzherbert_n untrue_o affirm_v i_o to_o say_v that_o his_o holiness_n before_o he_o publish_v his_o first_o breve_fw-la do_v not_o see_v mature_o weigh_v and_o ponder_v the_o oath_n and_o sufficient_o as_o he_o think_v inform_v himself_o of_o all_o the_o clause_n contain_v therein_o or_o that_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la be_v false_a or_o surreptitious_a and_o not_o write_v upon_o his_o own_o certain_a knowledge_n motion_n and_o will_n and_o after_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v therein_o but_o that_o which_o i_o say_v be_v that_o notwithstanding_o all_o his_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n first_o either_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la be_v ground_v not_o upon_o any_o certain_a doctrine_n and_o of_o faith_n but_o only_o upon_o his_o own_o opinion_n and_o of_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o divine_n that_o the_o doctrine_n for_o his_o power_n to_o depose_v prince_n be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n which_o for_o that_o the_o contrary_n be_v true_o probable_a and_o have_v ever_o be_v maintain_v by_o learned_a catholic_n no_o catholic_a be_v bind_v to_o follow_v and_o consequent_o neither_o to_o obey_v his_o declarative_a precept_n which_o be_v ground_v thereon_o as_o from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o fa._n suarez_n i_o clear_o deduce_v and_o this_o be_v my_o first_o and_o principal_a answer_n to_o the_o first_o breve_fw-la whereon_o the_o two_o other_o breve_n do_v whole_o depend_v or_o else_o second_o that_o if_o his_o holiness_n be_v persuade_v by_o the_o information_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o his_o other_o divine_n as_o by_o all_o likelihood_n he_o be_v that_o in_o the_o oath_n be_v contain_v many_o thing_n flat_o contrary_a to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n for_o that_o he_o think_v his_o power_n to_o inflict_v censure_n to_o excommunicate_v to_o bind_v and_o loose_v in_o general_a and_o consequent_o his_o spiritual_a supremacy_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n that_o then_o he_o be_v ill_o inform_v deceive_v and_o abuse_v by_o the_o advice_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o of_o his_o other_o divine_n for_o that_o it_o be_v evident_a as_o i_o convince_v in_o my_o theological_a disputation_n that_o no_o such_o thing_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n and_o this_o be_v my_o second_o and_o less_o principal_a answer_n 28_o beside_o that_o mr._n fitzherbert_n may_v in_o those_o last_o word_n of_o he_o to_o wit_n that_o the_o pope_n testify_v that_o he_o make_v the_o first_o breve_fw-la with_o mature_a deliberation_n and_o certain_a knowledge_n use_v some_o cunning_a fraud_n for_o his_o meaning_n may_v be_v that_o his_o holiness_n testify_v that_o he_o make_v the_o first_o breve_fw-la not_o only_o with_o mature_a deliberation_n have_v concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v therein_o but_o also_o with_o certain_a knowledge_n of_o the_o truth_n and_o verity_n of_o all_o that_o he_o affirm_v therein_o as_o though_o his_o holiness_n shall_v have_v say_v that_o he_o know_v certain_o that_o many_o thing_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o oath_n flat_a contrary_n to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n as_o he_o affirm_v in_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la whereas_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o his_o holiness_n say_v no_o such_o thing_n but_o those_o word_n certain_a knowledge_n which_o in_o his_o second_o breve_fw-la be_v place_v before_o and_o not_o after_o those_o word_n long_v and_o grave_a deliberation_n etc._n etc._n as_o this_o fraudulent_a man_n place_v they_o as_o though_o his_o certain_a knowledge_n do_v proceed_v from_o his_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n do_v only_o signify_v that_o his_o breve_fw-la be_v not_o surreptitious_a false_a feign_a forge_a or_o write_v without_o his_o privity_n and_o knowledge_n but_o that_o it_o be_v his_o true_a and_o undoubted_a letter_n or_o breve_fw-la and_o that_o he_o certain_o know_v that_o all_o therein_o contain_v be_v write_v by_o his_o own_o power_n will_v and_o motion_n which_o i_o never_o deny_v or_o mean_v to_o call_v in_o question_n 29_o and_o therefore_o very_o false_o and_o dishonest_o do_v mr._n fitzherbert_n say_v that_o i_o in_o effect_n charge_v his_o holiness_n to_o have_v lie_v manifest_o in_o his_o second_o breve_fw-la when_o he_o testify_v that_o he_o make_v the_o first_o with_o such_o mature_a deliberation_n and_o certain_a knowledge_n as_o you_o have_v hear_v for_o i_o ever_o acknowledge_v as_o his_o holiness_n in_o his_o second_o breve_fw-la do_v testify_v that_o his_o former_a breve_fw-la be_v not_o false_a or_o surreptitious_a but_o write_v as_o you_o have_v hear_v upon_o his_o certain_a knowledge_n motion_n and_o will_v and_o after_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n have_v concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v therein_o yet_o from_o this_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o therefore_o his_o holiness_n and_o his_o divine_n find_v out_o the_o truth_n in_o all_o point_n and_o be_v not_o in_o very_a deed_n mistake_v and_o deceive_v in_o the_o true_a understanding_n of_o some_o clause_n of_o the_o oath_n and_o that_o they_o certain_o know_v that_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n which_o be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n or_o that_o his_o power_n to_o excommunicate_v to_o bind_v and_o loose_v etc._n etc._n which_o be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n as_o also_o i_o do_v willing_o grant_v that_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n book_n against_o his_o majesty_n apology_n be_v his_o own_o true_a book_n although_o mask_v under_o his_o chaplain_n name_n and_o not_o false_a or_o surreptitious_a but_o write_v upon_o his_o certain_a knowledge_n motion_n and_o will_v and_o after_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n have_v concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v therein_o and_o notwithstanding_o all_o this_o i_o dare_v bold_o affirm_v that_o he_o know_v not_o certain_o that_o all_o the_o thing_n which_o he_o say_v therein_o be_v true_a and_o that_o in_o many_o thing_n concern_v the_o oath_n whereof_o some_o i_o have_v name_v before_o he_o be_v foul_o mistake_v and_o deceive_v as_o i_o have_v convince_v in_o my_o theological_a disputation_n 30_o now_o with_o the_o like_a fraud_n and_o falsity_n do_v mr._n fitzherbert_n run_v from_o the_o second_o breve_fw-la to_o the_o three_o as_o he_o do_v before_o from_o the_o first_o to_o the_o second_o and_o if_o the_o second_o breve_fw-la say_v he_o 4._o he_o pag._n 213._o nu_fw-la 4._o do_v not_o suffice_v to_o clear_v his_o holiness_n of_o this_o imputation_n yet_o his_o three_o breve_fw-la must_v be_v abundant_o sufficient_a to_o do_v it_o in_o the_o opinion_n of_o any_o reasonable_a man_n see_v that_o he_o confirm_v thereby_o his_o former_a judgement_n give_v express_a order_n and_o faculty_n to_o master_n george_n birket_n the_o late_a archpriest_n as_o widdrington_n himself_o also_o signify_v 60._o signify_v ibid._n nu_fw-la 60._o to_o punish_v by_o the_o deprivation_n of_o faculty_n all_o such_o english_a priest_n of_o the_o seminary_n as_o be_v subject_a to_o his_o jurisdiction_n have_v already_o take_v the_o oath_n or_o have_v teach_v or_o do_v still_o teach_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a and_o not_o abstain_v from_o the_o same_o and_o resorme_v their_o error_n upon_o due_a admonition_n give_v they_o and_o within_o a_o certain_a time_n to_o be_v prescribe_v unto_o they_o whereby_o i_o say_v any_o reasonable_a man_n must_v needs_o be_v induce_v to_o think_v that_o his_o holiness_n neither_o be_v nor_o can_v be_v all_o this_o time_n which_o be_v more_o than_o two_o year_n ignorant_a of_o the_o true_a nature_n and_o quality_n of_o the_o oath_n and_o of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n betwixt_o the_o catholic_n and_o their_o adversary_n especial_o see_v that_o now_o he_o begin_v to_o draw_v his_o apostolical_a sword_n proceed_v to_o the_o punishment_n of_o such_o as_o do_v take_v or_o defend_v the_o oath_n which_o he_o can_v not_o lawful_o do_v without_o due_a consideration_n and_o diligent_a discussion_n of_o the_o whole_a controversy_n and_o sufficient_a information_n of_o all_o the_o circumstance_n thereof_o 31_o thus_o you_o see_v how_o mr._n
fitzherbert_n turn_v and_o wind_v in_o such_o a_o run_a and_o fraudulent_a manner_n that_o his_o reader_n can_v well_o perceive_v of_o what_o imputation_n he_o mean_v when_o he_o say_v that_o if_o the_o second_o breve_fw-la be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o clear_v his_o holiness_n of_o this_o imputation_n yet_o his_o three_o breve_fw-la must_v needs_o be_v abundant_o sufficient_a to_o do_v it_o for_o that_o which_o i_o say_v only_o be_v that_o his_o holiness_n by_o all_o likelihood_n be_v not_o true_o inform_v by_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o his_o other_o divine_n of_o the_o true_a sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o some_o clause_n of_o the_o oath_n against_o which_o you_o have_v see_v with_o what_o fraud_n and_o falsity_n my_o ignorant_a adversary_n have_v wrangle_v and_o iangle_v as_o though_o i_o have_v tax_v his_o holiness_n for_o publish_v his_o first_o breve_fw-la before_o he_o have_v see_v or_o mature_o weigh_v and_o ponder_v the_o oath_n itself_o and_o all_o the_o clause_n thereof_o and_o without_o grave_n and_o long_a deliberation_n have_v concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v in_o his_o breve_fw-la which_o how_o untrue_a this_o imputation_n be_v wherewith_o he_o charge_v i_o i_o have_v already_o show_v now_o this_o silly_a man_n labour_v to_o prove_v as_o also_o he_o insinuate_v before_o that_o because_o his_o holiness_n do_v mature_o weigh_v and_o ponder_v the_o oath_n and_o every_o clause_n thereof_o before_o he_o send_v hither_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la and_o do_v sufficient_o inform_v himself_o of_o all_o circumstance_n necessary_a to_o the_o publication_n of_o his_o apostolical_a and_o judicial_a sentence_n as_o well_o concern_v the_o forbid_v of_o the_o oath_n by_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la as_o also_o concern_v the_o punish_n of_o such_o priest_n that_o shall_v take_v or_o defend_v the_o oath_n to_o be_v lawful_a by_o his_o three_o breve_fw-la send_v hither_o two_o year_n after_o which_o he_o can_v not_o say_v my_o adversary_n lawful_o do_v without_o due_a consideration_n and_o diligent_a discussion_n of_o the_o whole_a controversy_n and_o sufficient_a information_n of_o all_o the_o circumstance_n thereof_o therefore_o his_o holiness_n neither_o be_v nor_o can_v all_o this_o time_n which_o be_v more_o than_o two_o year_n be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o nature_n and_o quality_n of_o the_o oath_n and_o that_o therefore_o he_o can_v not_o be_v ignorant_a but_o certain_o know_v that_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n in_o the_o oath_n flat_a contrary_n to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n as_o he_o have_v declare_v by_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la 32_o but_o to_o omit_v now_o those_o word_n sufficient_a information_n etc._n etc._n and_o that_o his_o holiness_n do_v sufficient_o inform_v himself_o etc._n etc._n which_v my_o adversary_n here_o diverse_a time_n repeat_v which_o because_o they_o be_v equivocal_a and_o may_v have_v a_o double_a sense_n i_o will_v declare_v beneath_o it_o be_v very_o untrue_a and_o contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o of_o all_o other_o learned_a divine_n to_o say_v that_o certain_a and_o infallible_a knowledge_n of_o truth_n be_v in_o the_o pope_n necessary_o annex_v to_o his_o long_a grave_a mature_a and_o diligent_a consideration_n and_o discussion_n of_o any_o doctrine_n or_o matter_n unless_o the_o doctrine_n and_o matter_n be_v of_o such_o a_o nature_n and_o the_o discussion_n thereof_o be_v do_v with_o such_o circumstance_n and_o in_o such_o a_o manner_n as_o christ_n have_v promise_v he_o his_o infallible_a assistance_n which_o even_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o canus_n christ_n have_v not_o promise_v he_o in_o such_o decree_n or_o definition_n which_o be_v not_o direct_v and_o do_v not_o appertain_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n as_o be_v these_o his_o breve_n forbid_v the_o oath_n whereof_o the_o two_o first_o be_v only_o direct_v to_o english_a catholic_n and_o the_o three_o only_a to_o mr._n birket_n than_o archpriest_n for_o in_o 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