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A66900 Pulpit-conceptions, popular-deceptions, or, The grand debate resumed, in the point of prayer wherein it appears that those free prayers so earnestly contended for have no advantage above the prescribed liturgie in publick administrations : being an answer to the Presbyterian papers presented to the most reverend the ls. bishops at the Savoy upon that subject. Womock, Laurence, 1612-1685. 1662 (1662) Wing W3347; ESTC R25192 47,855 72

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