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lie_n but_o whether_o the_o bishop_n say_v the_o protestant_n do_v make_v the_o schism_n or_o the_o rent_n or_o a_o division_n or_o breach_n it_o be_v not_o a_o straw_n matter_n the_o word_n it_o be_v true_a be_v different_a but_o the_o sense_n be_v the_o same_o well_o therefore_o may_v the_o jesuit_n be_v say_v to_o relate_v at_o least_o in_o sense_n what_o the_o bishop_n utter_v without_o either_o enterfeir_a or_o shuffle_n his_o lordship_n therefore_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v boggle_v at_o this_o but_o clear_o have_v grant_v that_o protestant_n do_v depart_v from_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o get_v the_o name_n of_o protestant_n by_o protest_v against_o she_o for_o this_o be_v so_o apparent_a that_o the_o whole_a world_n acknowledge_v it_o and_o the_o relatour_n himself_o can_v deny_v it_o without_o retract_v his_o own_o word_n §_o 20._o num_fw-la 5._o pag._n 131._o where_o speak_v of_o luther_n he_o grant_v he_o make_v a_o breach_n from_o it_o and_o it_o be_v a_o very_a poor_a 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