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A61696 An assertion for true and Christian church-policie wherein certain politike objections made against the planting of pastours and elders in every congregation are sufficiently answered : and wherein also sundry projects are set down ... Stoughton, William, 1632-1701. 1642 (1642) Wing S5760; ESTC R34624 184,166 198

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the papall canon law must needs take place because by the same law consent of Parents is not de necessitate but The canon law preferred by the reverend Bishops before the law of God and the civill law de honestate tantum and because also matrimonia debent esse libera non pendere ex alieno arbitrio Wherein the reverend Bishops under their favourable patience can not clearely excuse themselves of much oversight in so slender managing of a matter of so great and high a consequence The holy law of God by publike authoritie hath been commanded within this Realme to bee sincerely and purely taught received and embraced The civill law hath not had her free course in this case hindered by any law of the Realme And how then commeth it to passe that the canon law being in this point repugnant to both these Lawes should notwithstanding be preferred beare sway and take place in this Realme before and above both these Laws especially Certain speciall points to be provided about mariages the same in this point as being against the law of God being utterly taken away The abuses past and mariages past under colour and pretext of this law may and ought to be bewailed and repented of yea and that no such mariages in time to come may be made I leave it to be considered whether it might not tend to the advancement of the Law of God be honourable for the King and commodious for the Common Weale providently to provide these things following viz. First that no matrimonie secretly contracted against the will or unknowning of or to the father or him or her that hath the keeping education or government of the partie to be maried before he or she come to a certaine age should in any sort be good or available to make the posteritie of those who shall bee so maried legitimate or inheritable Secondly that every contract of mariage concluded with consent of parents Tutor Governour or Gardian should be forcible and effectuall to bind both parties irrevocably whether the same contract with an intent to conclude a mariage be made by wordes of the present or future tence it skilleth not Thirdly that every man stealing away contracting and marrying a maide under the age of certaine yeares without consent of father tutor governour or gardian should be a felon and for such his felonious act suffer the paines of death And lastly that all licences to marry without banes asking according to the intendment of the booke of Common prayer bee forbidden and unlawfull for ever Which things if they might be observed it is very likely that mens inheritances as now many times they doe should not hang in suspence upon question of legitimation or illegitimation of their children to be allowed or disallowed by the commonlaw There should not any such long and tedious suites and variances hereafter fall out betweene the posterities and children of one man for the right and interest of their Ancestors lands Neither should Sir Thomas Lucie nor Sir Edmond Complaint heretofore made upon stealing away and marying mens daughters how they may cease Ludlow nor the Lady Norton nor Master Cooke the Kings Atturney generall nor many moe Knights Esquires and Gentlemen complaine and bewaile the stealing away and mariages of any their daughters Neeces neer Kinswomen or Wards Neither could it bee possible that one woman might procure foure or five severall licences for the mariage of foure or five severall husbands all of them being alive together and not one of them dead Neither should there any licence of mariage be granted out of any Ecclesiasticall Court to any man or woman with a blanck whereby the partie licensed was enabled to have maried another mans wife or his owne or his wives sister Neither should any couples maried and living together foure six or more yeers as man and wife upon a new and suddaine dislike or discontentment and upon a surmised precontract to be pretensedly proved by two suborned witnesses be adjudged by vertue of the canon law to be no husband and to be no wife Neither should any man being solemnly maried to a wife and afterward by reason of a precontract solemnly divorced from the same his wife and by censures of the Church compelled to marry her for whom sentence of precontract was adjudged be re-authorised by the same Consistorie about ten or twelve years after the divorce to resummon recall and rechallenge his first wife especially she having a testimoniall out of the same Consistorie of her lawfull divorce and being againe solemnly maried to an other husband Wherefore to conclude these matters of tythes testaments and Mariages if the King should not be pleased to have the studie of the civill law advanced by some such law as whereof the former project maketh mention I dispute for the enlarging of the common law thus If it stand with reason with the grounds and rules of the common law and with the Kings Royall prerogative that in cases of Tythes Testaments and Mariages the King if it may please him so to provide by Parliament may give remedie unto complaynants by writs out of the Charcorie and that complaints in such cases may effectually be redressed upon such writs in the Kings Courts And if also sundry matters of Tythes Testaments and Marriages bee already handled in the Kings Courts if these things I say be so and so may be then with little reason did the Admonitor warne us that a very great alteration of the common law must follow and that it will bee no small matter to apply these things to the temporall law But the antecedent is true as hath beene already shewed Therefore the consequent is true ADMONITION Indgements also of adulterie slander c. are in these mens judgments meere temporall and therefore to be dealt in by the temporall Pag. ●● Magistrate only ASSERTION We are indeed of this judgement that in regard of the Kings Royall Office these judgements of adulterie and other criminall Causes comprised within this clause c. ought no more to be exempted from the Kings temporall Courts than matters of theft murder treason and such like ought to be And for the maintenance of our judgements we affirme that there is no crime or offence of what nature or qualitie soever respecting any commandement contained within either of the two tables of the holy law of God if the same be now corrigible by spirituall power but that some fault and contempt one or other of the like nature and qualitie as comprised under the same commandement hath beene evermore and is now punishable by the Kings Regall and temporall jurisdiction For adulterie as the same is to be censured by penance in the Ecclesiasticall Courts so is ravishment also buggerie and sodomie to bee punished in the Kings Court by paine of death And as hath beene accustomed that Ordinaries by censures of the Church may correct fornicators so fornication also as in some bookes
from all censures of the Church Nay we judge it most requisite and necessarie for the bringing the No offender freed from the censures of the Church partie which offendeth to repentance and amendment of life if presently upon sentence of death he be not executed that besides his temporall punishment the censures of the Church according to the qualitie of the offence may be used and executed against him yea and we thinke that the King by the holy law of God is bound by his regall power to command the Church duly and rightly to use the same censures not only against every adulterer defamer usurer c. but also against every thiefe every manslayer every traitor and every other offender For not only sinnes reputed with us Ecclesiasticall but all sins of what kind soever ought to be repented of and consequently against all sins the Ecclesiasticall censures ought to bee used And by whom should the same be exercised but by the Church Why then belike where an offender is punished in the Kings Court he shall againe be punished in the Ecclesiasticall Court and so for one offence be twise punished which were unreasonable To this we answer that it is not against reason that one man for one fault should be punished both temporally and spiritually First he consisteth For a man to be punished ●wi●e for one ●ault ●n two re●●ect is 〈…〉 of two parts viz. of a body and of a soul in both which parts he hath offended Secondly he hath offended against two lawes the law of God and the law of the King For the execution of which two lawes there be two kinds of officers of two severall natures the king for the one law and the officers of the Church for the other law and both these kindes of officers have power given them immediately from God to execute the one Kingly and temporall the other pastorall and spirituall power And therefore we say it standeth with great reason that the soule causing the body to sinne should no more escape that punishment which is appointed for the soule by the law of God than the bodie should escape that punishment which is appointed for the body by the law of the King why then the officers of the Church may meddle with matters appertaining to the Kings law and what an indignitie to the King were that To this we answer that the officers of the Church in a several respect and to a several end dealing in one and the selfe same matter wherein the king dealeth may no more bee charged with dealing in matters appertaining to the Crowne by the exercise of their spirituall sword than can the King be charged with medling in the same matters to meddle with matters pertaining to the soule by the exercise of his temporall sword So that the spirituall power of the officers of our Saviour Christ which consisteth only in binding and loosing of the souls of men can not possibly by any reason or good intendment be construed now to be any more prejudiciall to the Kings prerogative or contrariant to the lawes of the Realme than it hath beene heretofore Because usurie incontinency and divers other crimes Ecclesiasticall have not beene punished only by Ecclesiasticall correction but also by corporall paine And therfore to take away this frivolous objection we instantly pray that the lawes of the Realme may still keepe their due and ordinarie course and that the Kings Scepter may retaine that ancient and Royall estimation which belongeth unto it and that it may be ordered by an irrecoverable law as followeth Potestas jurisdictio actionum quarumcunque civilium punitio castigatio externa omnium maleficiorum qu●rumcunque famam facultates seu personas tangentium non penes Pastores Seniores Ecclesiae sed penes unum solumque Principem civilem Magistratum sunto quicunque iis non acquieverunt cap●tali poena puniunto Whereupon falleth to the ground that cavillous and odious slander following in the Admonition viz. that the lawes maintaining the Queenes Supremacie in governing of the Church and her prerogative in matters Ecclesiasticall as well Elections as others must be also abrogated The contrary whereof being avouched throughout this whole assertion it shall be needlesse to spend any time in the refutation of so grosse an untruth ADMONITION Thos lawes likew●se must be taken away whereby impropriations and patronages stand as mens lawfull possession and heritage ASSERTION By a statute 15. R. 2. c. 6. because divers dammages and diseases oftentimes had hapned and daily did happen to the parochians of divers places by the appropriation of benefices of the same places it was agreed and assented that in every licence from thenceforth to bee made in the Chancerie of appropriation of any parish Church it should be expresly contained and comprised that the Diocesan of the place upon the appropriation of such Churches should ordaine according to the value of such Churches a convenient summe of money to be paid and distributed yearely of the fruits and profits of the same Churches by those that shall have the same Churches in proper use and by their successors to the poore parochians of the same Churches in aid of their living and sustentation for ever and also that the Vicar be well and sufficiently endowed By which statute it appeareth that every impropriation ought to be made by licence out of the Chancerie that it ought to be made to the use of Ecclesiasticall persons only and not to the use of temporall persons or patrons Now then all such parish Churches as without licence of the king in his Chancery have beene appropried to any Ecclesiasticall person and againe all such parish Churches as by licence of the King in his Chancerie have beene appropried to the use of lay persons they are not to be accompted mens lawfull possessions and heritages Besides this as many impropriations as whereupon the Diocesan of the place hath not ordained according to the value of such Churches a convenient summe of money to be paid and distributed yearly of the fruits of the same Churches c. to the poore Parochians of the same Churches in aid of their living and sustentation for ever yea and every Church also appropried as whereunto a perpetuall Vicar is not ordained canonically to be instituted and inducted in the same and which is not convenably endowed to doe divine service and to inform the people and to keepe hospitalitie there all and every such Church and Churches I say otherwise than thus appropried by the law of the Realme as it seemeth are not mens lawfull possessions and inheritances For by a Statute of king Henry the fourth every Church after the fifteene yeare of king Richard the second appropried by licence of the king against the forme of the said Statute of Rich. 2. if the same were not dulie reformed after the effect of the same statute within a certaine time appointed then the same appropriation and licence thereof made
regall Crown nay because the contradictorie hereof is affirmed and this denyed and because we learn by law as he saith that matters in fact are not intended to be done till they be proved so we must still put the upholders and executioners of this law to their proofe and in the meane while tell them that the forraigne and Papall Law is but a pretended necessary and disused law that it is not inspired with the life of Law and that it is fathered by them to be such a Law as is an headlesse a fetherlesse and a nocklesse arrow which is not fit to be drawne or shot against any subject of the King And from this voidance abolition and nullitie of forraigne and papall Canon Law because sublato principali tolluntur accessoria it followeth that all offices and functions of papall Archbishops papall Bishops papall Suffraganes papall Archdeacons papall Deanes and Chapters papall Priests papall Deacons papall Subdeacons papall Chancellors papall Vicars generall papall Commissaries and papall Officials meerely depending upon the authoritie and drawne from the rules and grounds of that Law are likewise adnihilated and of no value Howbeit for so much as by the opinion of some learned Civilians By the opinion of the Civilians the papall Canon law seemeth to be in force there seemeth unto them a necessary continuance of the same forraigne and papall Law by reason that Archbishops and Bishops doe now lawfully as they say use ordinarie Archiepiscopall and Episcopall jurisdiction which they could not as they thinke doe if the same common law were utterly abolished and for so much also as some learned in the Canon lawes do maintaine that since the statute Apology of certain proceedings in Courts Ecclesiastical of 1 Eliz. c. 1. the Archbishop and Bishop cannot lawfully claim any ordinarie spirituall jurisdiction at all but that the spirituall jurisdiction to be exercised by them ought to bee delegated unto them from the King by a Commission under the great Seale Forasmuch I say as there are these differences of opinions it seemeth expedient to be considered by what law and by what authoritie Archbishops and Bishops exercise Archiepiscopall and Episcopall power in the Church And to the end this question may fully bee knowne and no scruple nor ambiguitie be left what power spirituall may be intended Power properly and improperly called spirituall Queens Injunct and execut of justice to be exercised by them We distinguish spirituall power into a power properly called spirituall and into a power improperly or abusively called spirituall Ther power properly called spirituall is that spirituall power which consisteth and is conversant in preaching the Word administring the Sacraments ordaining and deposing Ministers excommunicating or absolving and if there bee any other spirituall power of the like property and nature Now that this power properly called Power properly called spirituall was never in the Queenes person spirituall could have beene drawne from the person of our late Soveraigne Lady the Queene unto Archbishops and Bishops we deny For the Queenes Royall person being never capable of any part of this spirituall power how could the same bee derived from her person unto them Nemo potest plus juris in alium transferre quam ipse habet Archiepiscopall and Episcopall power therefore exercised in and about these mysteries of our holy Religion ordinarily and necessarily must belong unto the Archbishop and Bishop by the canon of the holy Scriptures otherwise they have no power properly called Power improperly called spirituall is indeed but a temporall power spirituall touching these things at all The power which improperly is called spirituall is such a power as respecteth not the exercise of any pastorall or ministeriall Church to the internall begetting of faith or reforming of manners in the soule of man but is such a power as wherby publike peace equitie and justice is preserved and maintained in externall things peculiarly appropried and appertaining unto the persons or affaires of the Church which power indeed is properly a temporall or civill power and is to bee exercised onely by the authoritie of Temporall and Civill Magistrates Now then to returne to the state of the point in Question touching this later power improperly called spirituall by what law or by what authoritie the Archbishops and Bishops doe exercise this kinde of power in the Church I answer that they cannot have the same from any forraigne Canon Law because the same Law with all the powers and dependences thereof is adnulled And therefore that this their power must and ought to be derived unto them from Bb. where From whence then is their power derived Hereunto we answer that before the making of that act spirituall jurisdiction did appertaine unto Bishops and that Bishops were ordinaries aswell by custome of the Realme canons constitutions and ordinances provincial and synodall as by forraigne canon law And that therefore these canons constitutions and ordinances provinciall or synodall according to Bishops remaine ordinaries by custome provinciall Canons statute law though papall Canon law be abolished 25. h. 8. c 20. 25. h 8. c ●6 the true intent of that act could not still have been used and executed as they were before if the Bishops had not still remained ordinaries Moreover it is cleare by two statutes that the Archbishops and Bishops ought to be obeyed in all manner of things according to the name title degree and dignitie that they shall be chosen or presented unto and that they may doe and execute minister use and exercise all and every thing and things touching or pertaining to the office or order of an Archbishop or Bishop with all ensignes tokens and ceremonies thereunto lawfully belonging as any Archbishop or Bishop might at any time heretofore do without offending of the prerogative royall of the Crown and the laws and customes of this Realm Let it be then that by custome canons provinciall and statute law Bishops be and do remaine ordinaries yet aswell upon those words of the statute 25. H 8. without offending of the prerogative Royall as upon the statute of 1. Eliz. cap. 1 there remaineth a scruple and ambiguitie whether it be not hurtfull or derogatorie unto the Kings Prerogative Royall that Ordinaries should use and exercise their ordinarie power improperly called spirituall without a commission under the great Seale or that such their power should be as immoderate and excessive now as in times past it was by the Papall Canon law Concerning the first by the Statute of 1 Eliz. c. 1. and by the Statute of 8 Eliz. c. 1. the Queene was recognized to be in effect the Ordinarie of Ordinaries The Queen was supreme ordinary of ordination that is the chief supreme and soveraign Ordinary over all persons in all causes aswell Ecclesiasticall as Temporall Where it seemeth to follow that all the branches and streams aswell of that power which improperly is called spiritual as of that power which properly is called
of the Common Law before the Kings Judges and Justices of the Kings bench and Common pleas By a Statute of 32. H. 8. c 7. it is cleare that all tyths oblations c. and other Ecclesiasticall or Spirituall profits by the lawes and statutes of the Realme may be made temporall as being admitted to be abide and goe to and in temporall hands lay-uses and profits From the reason of which statute it is cleare that those lawes likewise may be reckoned amongst us for temporall lawes which by the lawes and statutes of the Realme may be executed by temporall and lay persons and which are conversant about temporal and lay causes If then the execution of the Lawes touching these matters may lawfully remaine and abide in the hands of Doctors of the Civill Law being temporall and lay persons as alreadie under the Bishops they doe it cannot be denied but that the Kings Judges and Justices of both benches may bee as competible Judges to put in execution the lawes concerning these matters as Doctors of the Civill Law or other lay men be But the causes are not reputed and called temporall and lay causes amongst us What for that if in their owne nature simply considered these causes be merely lay and temporall causes such causes I meane as whereof the King a lay civill and temporall Magistrate by his lay civill and temporall Magistracie derived unto him immediately from the holy law of God may and ought to take cognizance and thereupon either in his owne Royall person or by the person of any of his inferiour Officers may give absolute and peremptorie judgement If I say these things be so what booteth it or what wisedome is it to contend that these causes and matters have been and are still adjudged to be therefore Ecclesiasticall and no temporall causes because through an abusive speech or through a vaine and evill custome they have beene so led and accompted in times past And what if it hath pleased the Kings Progenitors by sufferance to tolerate the executions of such Lawes as concerne these things to bee in the hands and power of Ecclesiasticall persons yet hereupon it followeth not that in very deede and truth the Magistracie of the said Ecclesiasticall persons was an Ecclesiasticall Magistracie or that they were Ecclesiasticall Magistrates but their Magistracie was and remained still a temporall magistracie and they were and abode temporall Magistrates For not more can the qualitie of the person alter the nature of the cause than can the qualitie of the cause alter the nature of the person And if it be true that matters determinable in times past by a Magistracie abusively called Ecclesiasticall be notwithstanding properly temporall matters and that the same Magistracie also be a temporall and no spirituall Magistracie what a childish and poore conceit is it to challenge and threp upon the temporall Magistrate that he hath none or very few temporall lawes touching those matters and that therefore the people should not solicit an alteration of abuses in Church government left for want of temporall lawes the people should bee without Ecclesiasticall discipline It will be no small matter saith he to apply these things to the temporall law yea and so say I to But what of that The question is not how hardly these things may be applyed to the temporall law but how small a matter it were to apply the temporall law unto these things For it is not said in any law that casus ex juribus but it is said in all lawes that ex casibus jura nascuntur The temporall law may easily be applyed to causes now reputed Ecclesiasticall And indeed the Phisition applyeth not the disease to his Phisick but he prepareth his phificke for the disease The husband-man he measureth not his ground by the seed but his seed by the ground The Draper he meateth not his yard by the cloth but his cloth by the yard If in like manner the temporall lawes and the grounds and rules thereof were applyed to these matters of tythes marriages c. whereof he speaketh what more alteration could there bee of the temporall law by such an application then there is an alteration of the plummet by laying it to the stone or than there is an alteration of the rule or yard by laying them to the timber and cloth Besides he that rightly and after an exact and equall proportion can apply one rule or maxime of the temporall law to many more cases than whereupon it hath beene usually in former times applyed hee may rather bee reputed an additioner than an alterer of the Law But how may the temporall Law be applyed to those matters how even so and so as followeth By the statute of 32. H. 8. c. 7. it is declared that tythes oblations how tythes may bee recovered in the Kings temporall Courts c. and other Ecclesiasticall or spirituall profits c. being lay mens hands to lay uses be no more Ecclesiasticall but temporall goods and profits and that if any person were diseased deforced wronged or otherwise kept or put from his lawfull inheritance estate seisin c. of in or to the same by any person claiming or pretending to have interest or title in or to the same that then in all and every such case the person so disseised deforced or wrongfully kept from his right or possession shall and may have his remedie in the Kings tempo●al Courts as the case shall require for the recoverie of such inheritance by writ originall c. to be devised and granted out of the Kings Court of Chancery in like maner c. It is there likewise provided that that Act shall not extend nor be expounded to give any remedie cause of action or suite in the Courts temporall against any person which shall refuse to set out his tythes or which shall detaine c. his tythes and offerings But that in all such cases the partie c. having cause to demand or have the same tythes shall have his action for the same in the Ecclesiasticall Courts according to the ordinance in the first part of that act mentioned and none otherwise Now then sithence every person whether he be lay or Ecclesiasticall having right to demand tythes and offerings hath the partie from whom those tythes be due bound and obliged unto him and sithence also the partie not dividing yeelding or paying his tythes doth actually and really detaine the same and thereby doth unjustly wrong the partie to whom they be due contrary to justice and the Kings lawes sithence I say these things be so what alteration or disadvantage could befall or ensue to the Common Law or the Professors thereof if so be it might please the King with his Parliament to have the last part of this Act so to be explained extended and enlarged as that the same might give remedy in the Kings temporall Courts by writ originall to be devised and granted out of the Chancerie against
Scripture to be given them by God and therefore the King and Parliament may be pleased to abolish both them and their power as King Hen. 8. did abolish Monkes and Friars 26. 40. and 28 The challeng for Lordly primacy out of the great charter answered 28 The study of the civill Law and the professors of it may florish more than now they doe 28 Fees for probate of testaments let to farme 29 Fees dew for execution of functions of the Canon Law disproportionable for a D●ctor of the Civill Law 30 An Act of Parliament for the advancement of the Civill Law is set downe and a forme laid for all proceedings in the Courts in which the Civill Lawyers should be Iudges 32 33 It will advance the honour of the King and the good of his subjects to have matters of tithes and testaments and matrimony reduced by act of Parliament to bee tried by the Iudges of the Common Law 37 Matters of tithes and other causes of light nature pertaine to civill justice 37 The temporall law may easily bee applyed to causes now reputed Ecclesiasticall 39 How legacies may be recovered at the Common Law 42 Matters of marriages more fit to bee decided by the Kings officers than by the Bishops 43 Much ad●e in the Bishops Courts about Accipio and Accipiam 44 The common Law preferred by the Bishops above the Law of God and the civill Law 45 Causes of Adulteries Slander Heresie which by sufferance only have bin exempted from the Cognizance of the King may be arbitrated by the Iudges of the common Law 47 Hierarchy may be judged felony if it please the King 49 The cognizance of all crimes as well as of some by the Law of God belong to the King 50 No impeachment and impropriations in lay mens hands the stat of 15. Rich. 2. and the 4. Hen. 4. being observed for a Vicar endowes yet if it please the King Parliament a law may be made for reducing of impropriations which may bee done First by restitution Secondly by commutation Thirdly by redemption Fourthly by contribution 52 Parochiall Churches to what use they were founded 56 First restitution of many may and ought to be which are now accounted the temporall revenues of Archbishops and Bishops which were given to severall Churches are now spoyled of them by Archbishops and Bishops 55 56 57 58. Secondly commutations may be made of many of the Bishops lands given to superstitious uses for many impropriations in the Kings hand and the hands of many of the Nobility 56 58 59 Thirdly there may bee a redemption made of the same land or buying in of many impropriations by a common purse or treasury which will increase 1. When the people shall be discharged of the burden of Ecclesiasticall Courts 2. The treasure will increase by the dissolution of Chapels of ease and uniting two Parishes into one and especially in great Cities and Towns where often are but small Livings 61 Dissolution of Chapels no new thing Ibid. Chapels the Seminaries of hirelings 62 3. By sequestration of the Livings of non residents 4. By the forfeiture of penall Lawes due to the King 60 61 62 63 Sequestration of the Churches of pluralists may further the treasure for redemption of impropriations 63 By what contributions Impropriations may bee brought to the use of the ministery 63 Fourthly the fourth meanes viz by contribution wherby Impropriations may be reduced to the ministery 63 64 65 How and by what means impropriations may be reduced into the ministery 65 66 None of the three estates in Parliament is lost by removall of the Hierarchy as appeares by severall statutes viz. 25. E. 3. c. 24. 31. Ed. 3. Stat. of Herrings 3. R. 2. c. 3. 7. R. 2. c. 12. 1. E. c. 2. 68 69 70 71 72 73 The state of Prelacy founded by the Grandfather of K. E. 3. 69 The K. having the assent of the Nobles and Commons may repeale statutes without the assent of the Prelates 70 The argument answered in which it is said that it hath been alwayes dangerous to pick quarrels against laws setled 74 75 Lesse danger to reforme the Church by new lawes than to continue corruption by old lawes 74 That argument answered in which it is said that there must of necessity be in every Parish one Pastor a company of Seniors and Deacon or two at the least and all those to be found of the Parish 75 76 77 78 What kind of men ought to be chosen Seniors and Deacons 76 The judgment of the Commissioners of Ed. 6. touching Elders and Deacons 77 The election of Pastors by the people stands upon the ground of reason and nature rules of Christian equity and the law of God therefore by no Law or custome can justly be taken away though actually it was by the Pope 79 to 87 Dangerous to innovate unlesse there be evident utility in innovation 80 The common manner of election in the old Churches was by the people 81 The King without the people hath power to nominate the Kingly Bishop 82 M. Bilson confirmes the peoples election of their Pastor 83 A great difference betwixt the choice of Bishops in England and Pastors 86 No Schisme hapned by choice of Pastors by the people ancient schimes were ever from the election of Bishops 87 88 therefore a Stat. is desired for the giving of election of their Pastors 86 Election of publike officers in Cities and Boroughs is by the principall men of these places 90 91. therefore Ministers may bee elected the officers of Cities and Townes Corporate chosen without contention therefore Pastors may be also chosen 90 The people would be more carefull of their Election than Bishops have been the people could make no choice of insufficient Ministers unles the Bishops did make insufficient Ministers 93 94 The common people accused of backwardnesse in Religion the reason of that must needs be from their ill guides 95 Men of excellent gifts and men of no gifts are unequally matched in the ministery of the Gospell 96 The people may know a man to be a fit Minister though he be not brought up among them 98 What knowledge of a Minister is required in the people before they choose him No partiall suits can follow the election of Ministers by the people 100 The means to take away all symony for places in the Ministry 100 The inconveniences of Bishops ordination set downe 102 As many suits betweene the Bish and the Clerke 2. suits between the Clerke and the Archdeacon 3. suits betweene the B. and the Archdeacon 4. Riots and breaches of the Kings peace 5. unlawfull Fees for Letters of institution 6. unlawfull Fees for letters of sequestration 105. 7. Perjury by the Clerk and robbery by the Patron 8. Chopping of benefices and dispensations 106. A supplication to the Parliament to consider these inconveniences and likewise a briefe way is set downe of the redresse of them 107 Diverse things set down concerning ordination of Ministers
have it further enacted That all manner of fees heretofore lawfull or hereafter by the King and Parliament to be made lawfull for or concerning the probat of Wills administration of the goods of the intestat letters of tuition receiving or making of accompts inductions to Archbishoprickes Bishoprickes Deanries Parochiall-Churches or other spirituall promotions and all other fees whatsoever heretofore lawfull or hereafter to be made lawfull for any travaile or paine to bee taken in or about the expedition or execution of any of these causes shall for ever hereafter be fees and allowances appropriated to the Judges and principall Registers of the said Courts equally to bee devided betweene them as heretofore hath beene accustomed and that the said Judges and Ministers within their severall charges shall be Collectors of the Kings tenths and subsidies granted and due by the Clergie taking for their travaile and paine in and about the same collection such fees as heretofore have beene accustomed Provided alwayes that none of the said civill and temporall Officers and Ministers nor any of them for any offence contempt or abuse to be committed by any person or persons in any wise incident to any of the said Courts and Consistories suspend excommunicate or interdict any person or persons but shall and lawfully may by authority of this present Act proceed against every offender and offenders by such ordinarie processe out of the said Register or Notaries office as is used upon a sub-paena out of the high Court of Chancerie and there upon default or contempt to proceed to attachment proclamation of rebellion and imprisonment of the partie offending as in the said high Court of Chancery is used Provided also that all appeales hereafter to bee made from all and every Court and Courts in the Shires and Diocesses of the Countrey shall bee made to the higher Courts as heretofore hath beene accustomed only with an alteration and addition of the names stiles and dignities of Archbishops Bishops and other Ordinaries unto the name stile and dignitie of our Soveraigne Lord the King his heires and successors And that upon the appeales so to be made it shall and may be lawfull for the Judges and Ministers of Justice of and in the said higher Courts to make out all manner of processe and processes and to do and execute all and every act and acts thing and things for the furtherance of Justice in the causes aforesaid as to them shalby the law seem equal right meet and convenient any law statute priviledg dispensation prescription use or custom heretofore to the contrarie in any wise notwithstanding Provided also that all and everie such Judge and Minister that shall execute any thing by vertue of this act shall from time to time obey the Kings writ and writs of prohibition of attachment upon prohibition and indicavit and not to proceed contrary to the tenour of such writ or writs in such and the same manner and form and condition as they have or ought to have done be ore the making of this act any thing in this act to the contrary notwithstanding Provided also that this act or any thing therein contained shall not extend or be interpreted to give any authoritie to the said Judges and Officers or any of them to put in execution any civill or Ecclesiasticall law repugnant or contrariant to the lawes statutes or customes of the Realme or hurtfull to the Kings Prerogative Royall And thus it may seeme to be but a small labour a little cost and an easie matter for the King his Nobles and Wisemen of the Realme to devise formes of judgement and manner of processe and proceedings without any offices or functions of the Canon law whereby the use and studie of the Civill Law and the reward and maintenance for Civilians might be furthered and increased and not utterly overthrown and taken away as the Admonitor uncivily beareth us in hand As for the alteration of the censure of excommunication for contumacy mentioned in this project we have the consent of the reverend Bishops in this admonition that the same may be altered For the Admonitor their Prolocutor speaketh on this wise viz. As for the excommunication Pag. 138. Excommunication for contumacie by the Admonitors judgement may be taken away without offence and with the good liking of the Bishops practised in our Ecclesiasticall Courts for contumacie in not appearing or not satisfying the judgement of the Court if it had pleased the Prince c. to have altered the same at the beginning and set some other order of processe in place thereof I am perswaded saith he that the Bishops and Clergie of the Realme would have beene very well contented therewith And speaking of a certain manner of civill discomoning used in the Church of Tigure he further addeth viz. Which or the like good order devised by some godly persons if it might be by authoritie placed in this Church c. I think it would be gladly received to shun the offence that is taken at the other ADMONITION And matters of Tythes Testaments and Matrimonie matters also of adulterie slander c. are in these mens judgements meere temporall c. therfore to be dealt in by the temporall Magistrate only which as yet have either none at all or very few laws touching those things therefore the common law of the Realme must by that occasion receive also a very great alteration For it will be no small matter to apply these things to the temporall law and to appoint Courts Officers and manner of processe and proceedings in judgement for the same ASSERTION Indeed we hold that all these matters wherof mention is here made Matters of tythes and other causes of like nature pertain to civill justice and all others of the like nature are merely civill and temporall and by the temporall Magistrate alone to be dealt in and to bee discussed if we consider the administration of externall and civil justice And this we thinke will be granted of all and not to be denyed of any unlesse they be too too popishly addicted In regard whereof we have drawn as before is mentioned a project how Courts and manner of processe and proceedings in judgement by Doctors of the Civill Law may be appointed by the King and his high Court of Parliament without that that the common Law of the Realme by the occasion of any such courts offices or manner of processe and proceedings must receive any alteration at all much lesse a very great alteration Howbeit if it should not please the King and that the Civilians could not finde favour in his sight by courts offices and manner of processe and proceedings in judgement before specified or by the like to have the studie of the civill Law advanced yet we thinke it convenient once again How matters of tyths c. may be dealt in by ●he Kings Iudges to be examined how these matters may be dealt in according to the rules and grounds
bishops and societie against the right and freedome of the law of God against the principles of humane fellowships against that which was in the begining and against that which the Apostles left in the Churches by colour of lawes brought into the Church by the cursings and fightings of the late Romane Bishops they would not henceforth barre and seclude the Kings Christian and faithfull people from giving their consents unto their pastours Yea and we further beseech their Lordships that are schollers unto the Apostles and as servants unto the old way of reason of nature of the law of God of the equitie of Christ and of humane societie they would hereafter imbrace that way which was from the beginning which is the old way and the best way and not any longer persist in a cursed and quarrelling way which is the new way and the worst way But if the Lords spirituall of their own accord shal not readily vouclsafe to yeeld unto us this our right at our intreatie then for my part I will briefly shew mine opinion what were expedient for the A supplieation to the king by the Lords and commons for the restitution of their right in the choice of their pastors Lords and commons in open parliament dutifully to pray and to supplicate at the Kings Majesties hand Namely At the humble petitions and supplications of all his Lords temporall and commons in Parliament assembled his majestie would bee well pleased to give his Royall assent to an act to be intituled An act for the restitution of the ancient right and freedome which the people of God in the old Churches had and which the people of England ought to have in to or about the election of their Pastours and abolishing all papal power repugnant to the same For if as it is plainly confessed the people of all Churches have right and freedome by the law of God by the equitie of Christ by the grounds of reason and nature by the principles of humane fellowships and by that which was from the beginning to elect their pastours and if also the same right and freedome being left to the old Churches and especially to the Church at Ierusalem by the Apostles have beene taken away by the cursings and fightings of the late Bishops of Rome then cannot the people without violation of those lawes rules and grounds by any Episcopall power be any more excluded from their said right and freedome than could or might the ancient jurisdiction of the Crowne of England have beene still usurped by the pope from the Kings of England ADMONITION But alas the common people of England thorough affection and want of right judgement are more easily wrought by ambitious persons to give their cons●nt to unworthy men as may appeare in all those offic●s of gaine or dignitie that at this day remaine in the choise of the multitude ASSERTION The Admonitor in one place of his admonition telleth us that he must not put all that he thinketh in writing and yet he writeth in this place that thing which might far better have been utterly unthought than once written for could he thinke to win the common people of England to a continuall good liking of high and stately prelacie by upbraiding and charging them to their faces in a book dedicated unto them with affection and wanting of right judgement Was this the way to procure grace favour and benevolence at their hands And albeit this slander deserved rather to have beene censured by the Commons in Parliament than by confutation to have beene answered yet for the better clearing of the right judgement of the common people giving their consents to most worthy men in all offices of gaine or dignitie remaining in their hands I thinke it necessarie to shew the indignitie of this contumelie There be I confesse in London Yorke Lincoln Bristow Exceter Norwich Coventry and other principall Cities and townes corporate Majors Sheriffes Stewards Recorders Bailiffes Chamberlains Bridge-masters Clerkes Swordbearers Knights Burgesses and such like offices some of dignitie some of gaine but that the officers of these or any other places whether of dignitie or gaine be chosen by the multitude of those places is utterly untrue for onely according to their ancient customes priviledges and Charters by the chief Citizens Townsmen and Borough-masters are those officers chosen The number also of which Electors in all places is not alike In London the Aldermen choose the Lord Major In other Cities and Townes sometimes eight and forty sometimes fourteene sometimes twelve sometimes only such as have borne office as Majors Sheriffes and Bailiffs in the same places nominate and elect their new Major Sheriffs and Bailiffes But that the Aldermen principall Towns-men Borough-masters and men having born chief offices in those cities towns and boroughs have easily been wrought by ambitious persons to give their consents unto unworthy men though it have pleased the Ll. Bb. with seene and allowed to have spred and published this saying yet that the same saying is wholly unworthy of any credit to bee given unto it or to bee regarded of any wise and indifferent man let the sober and peaceable elections made of the worthies of the land hereafter mentioned be witnesses The officers in Cities and townes corporate chosen with out contention and ambitious working of unworthy men And to leave to speake of the election of the Lord Major of the Citie of London Sheriffs Aldermen Wardens of companies Chamberlains bridge-masters and other annuall officers of honour and dignitie let us consider whether the Citizens of London have beene wrought by ambitious persons to choose M. Wilbraham M. Onslie M. Bromley to be their Recorders ●ll three afterward the Queenes solicitors and M. Bromly Lord Chancellor of England and let us consider whether the same Citizens as men of affection and want of right judgement did elect to be Recorders of the same Citie M. Serjeant Fleetwood Master Serjeant Flemming Master Serjeant Drue and how Master Crooke a man wise learned and religious and a Counseller and justicer within the princip●litie of Wales The Recorder of the towne of Bedford is the right honourable the Lord S. Iohns of Bletsoe The Recorder of Bristoll was a long time Master Poppam now Lord chief Justice of England The Recorder of Northampton before he came to be Judge in the Kings bench was Master Serjeant Yelverton a favouter of the truth and an upright Justicer The Recorder of Warnick was Master Serjeant Puckering afterward Lord keeper of the great seale And of the same towne the Recorder now is a worthy Knight descended from a noble house Sir Foulke Grevile The Recorder of Coventrie is Sir Iohn Harrington Knight a man zealous for the true feare of God The Recorder of Chichester was M. Serjeant Lewkner now chiefe Justice in the principalit●e of Wales The Recorder of Norwich was Master Cooke the Kings Atturney generall And who soever shall enquire after the names and after the manner of election