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A40088 A second defence of the propositions by which the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is so explained according to the ancient fathers, as to speak it not contradictory to natural reason : in answer to a Socinian manuscript, in a letter to a friend : together, with a third defence of those propositions, in answer to the newly published reflexions, contained in a pamphlet, entituled, A letter to the reverend clergy of both universities / both by the author of those propositions. Fowler, Edward, 1632-1714. 1695 (1695) Wing F1715; ESTC R6837 47,125 74

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it_o in_o what_o follow_v a_o absurdity_n to_o deny_v that_o whatsoever_o proceed_v from_o another_o thing_n must_v be_v in_o order_n of_o time_n after_o it_o these_o be_v his_o word_n whatsoever_o proceed_v from_o a_o thing_n must_v first_o be_v in_o it_o except_o it_o can_v be_v in_o it_o and_o proceed_v from_o it_o at_o the_o same_o time_n but_o as_o we_o never_o think_v of_o such_o a_o thing_n as_o the_o two_o person_n so_o proceed_v as_o to_o be_v separate_v from_o the_o first_o nor_o of_o any_o more_o than_o their_o have_v their_o origin_n from_o he_o so_o this_o they_o may_v have_v and_o yet_o still_o be_v in_o he_o and_o may_v ever_o have_v be_v in_o he_o can_v our_o author_n think_v not_o to_o trouble_v he_o too_o often_o with_o the_o ray_n be_v from_o the_o sun_n and_o yet_o as_o old_a as_o it_o that_o all_o thought_n must_v be_v young_a than_o mind_n because_o they_o have_v their_o original_a from_o they_o this_o can_v be_v deny_v by_o none_o that_o make_v mind_n to_o be_v 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