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A78612 A pretended voice from heaven, proved to bee the voice of man, and not of God. Or, An answer to a treatise, called A voice from heaven, written by Mr. Gualter Postlethwait, an unordained preacher, taking upon him to exercise the pastoral charge, in a congregation at Lewis in Sussex. Wherein, his weakness, in undertaking to prove all protestant churches to bee antichristian, and to bee separated from, as no true churches of Christ, is discovered; and the sinfulness of such a separation evinced. Together with, a brief answer inserted, to the arguments for popular ordination, brought by the answerers of Jus Divinum Ministerii Evangelici, in their book called The preacher sent. By Ezekiel Charke, M.A. and rector of Waldron in Sussex. Imprimatur, Edmond Calamy. Charke, Ezekiel. 1658 (1658) Wing C2069; Thomason E959_5; ESTC R207673 108,343 141

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set_v forth_o of_o abraham_n it_o be_v say_v gen._n 14.20_o he_o give_v he_o tithe_n of_o alice_n spoil_n and_o all_o heb._n 7.4_o and_o say_v jacob_n gen._n 28.22_o of_o all_o that_o thou_o shall_v give_v i_o i_o will_v sure_o give_v the_o ten_o unto_o thou_o where_o lie_v the_o reason_n now_o why_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n for_o minister_n maintenance_n shall_v not_o stand_v with_o tithe_n that_o require_v man_n shall_v communicate_v to_o minister_n in_o all_o good_a thing_n and_o herein_o it_o be_v answerable_a to_o the_o law_n of_o tithe_n for_o abraham_n before_o the_o law_n give_v tithe_n to_o melchisedeck_v of_o all_o and_o jacob_n tithe_n to_o god_n of_o all_o and_o person_n under_o the_o law_n as_o appear_v by_o that_o of_o the_o pharisee_fw-mi give_v tithe_n of_o all_o that_o they_o possess_v and_o these_o can_v but_o be_v deem_v to_o have_v act_v therein_o according_a to_o god_n ordinance_n as_o for_o the_o other_o branch_n of_o this_o second_o reason_n that_o the_o first_o ten_o be_v under_o the_o law_n to_o the_o levite_n etc._n etc._n it_o speak_v nothing_o at_o all_o for_o the_o inconsistency_n of_o tithe_n with_o christ_n institution_n for_o that_o order_n and_o distinction_n be_v acknowledge_v on_o all_o hand_n to_o have_v be_v ceremonial_a and_o adventitious_a to_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o maintenance_n we_o must_v strip_v the_o ordinance_n of_o the_o sabbath_n itself_o of_o morality_n if_o we_o will_v have_v no_o appointment_n moral_a that_o be_v attend_v under_o the_o law_n with_o something_o ceremonial_a thus_o it_o may_v clear_o appear_v to_o the_o considerate_a reader_n that_o as_o yet_o mr._n p._n have_v not_o make_v his_o assumption_n manifest_a but_o rather_o his_o weakness_n neither_o of_o his_o reason_n hold_v good_a and_o therefore_o consequent_o his_o flourish_a conclusion_n make_v but_o a_o vainshew_a he_o have_v no_o way_n prove_v that_o tithe_n be_v pay_v by_o a_o ceremonial_a precept_n and_o belong_v to_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n and_o withal_o he_o have_v avoid_v or_o omit_v one_o great_a part_n of_o his_o task_n under_o such_o a_o attempt_n n._n to_o prove_v that_o and_o show_v how_o tithe_n 1_o be_v a_o shadow_n of_o christ_n or_o grace_n to_o come_v by_o christ_n here_o in_o the_o law_n for_o they_o nature_n of_o they_o proportion_n in_o they_o 2_o analogical_o represent_v heavenly_a thing_n which_o be_v porperty_n that_o enter_v into_o the_o definition_n of_o legal_a levitical_a ceremony_n from_o scripture_n and_o which_o i_o be_o assure_v mr._n p._n will_v never_o be_v able_a to_o make_v out_o concern_v tithe_n but_o yet_o poor_a man_n he_o seem_v to_o think_v he_o have_v do_v such_o wonder_n in_o confute_v tithe_n that_o now_o if_o any_o dare_v refuse_v to_o let_v they_o go_v yet_o they_o will_v not_o have_v he_o think_v the_o face_n to_o take_v they_o as_o and_o under_o the_o notion_n of_o tithe_n and_o therefore_o follow_v neither_o will_v it_o avail_v for_o any_o to_o say_v that_o they_o take_v they_o not_o as_o tithe_n for_o the_o corinthian_n can_v not_o be_v so_o excuse_v as_o to_o their_o eat_a thing_n sacrifice_v to_o idol_n etc._n etc._n certain_o there_o be_v no_o cause_n to_o fear_v from_o any_o thing_n that_o he_o have_v say_v that_o man_n that_o have_v due_o consider_v the_o thing_n shall_v betake_v themselves_o to_o that_o refuge_n or_o to_o think_v they_o shall_v judge_v the_o case_n of_o eat_v thing_n offer_v to_o idol_n in_o the_o idol_n temple_n and_o the_o take_n of_o tithe_n alike_o alas_o what_o unequal_a yoke_a of_o thing_n be_v here_o nay_o but_o tithe_n be_v popish_a and_o be_v sacrifice_v to_o idol_n either_o direct_o or_o interpretative_o by_o papist_n not_o popish_a sure_a in_o their_o institution_n nor_o since_o christ_n own_v at_o first_o as_o the_o minister_n maintenance_n by_o papist_n or_o to_o promote_v direct_o or_o indirect_o popery_n or_o idolatry_n mr._n p_n read_v shall_v have_v teach_v he_o better_o tithe_n be_v far_o elder_a than_o popery_n even_o in_o the_o christian_a church_n and_o however_o papist_n have_v abuse_v either_o tithe_n or_o temple_n there_o arise_v hence_o no_o more_o necessity_n to_o forsake_v they_o now_o that_o those_o abuse_n be_v renounce_v and_o expel_v than_o there_o do_v to_o israel_n to_o abolish_v their_o tithe_n or_o temple_n because_o they_o be_v use_v during_o the_o prevalency_n of_o idolatry_n in_o that_o nation_n to_o maintain_v it_o but_o withal_o i_o must_v mind_n mr._n p._n that_o as_o to_o the_o divine_a right_n of_o tithe_n the_o papist_n shake_v hand_n with_o he_o for_o they_o general_o disow_v it_o and_o dispute_v against_o it_o now_o we_o be_v reminded_a of_o his_o injunction_n hitherto_o with_o a_o caution_n away_o i_o say_v with_o all_o appurtenance_n of_o a_o parish_n church_n 82_o p._n 82_o let_v we_o not_o desire_v the_o silver_n and_o gold_n of_o the_o idol_n lest_o we_o be_v snare_v and_o become_v a_o abomination_n like_o it_o and_o accurse_a like_o it_o mr._n p._n do_v well_o to_o comprehend_v himself_o and_o those_o that_o be_v with_o he_o in_o his_o admonition_n to_o avoid_v that_o which_o he_o deem_v to_o be_v a_o curse_n but_o he_o will_v do_v better_o since_o his_o judgement_n be_v thus_o if_o he_o do_v more_o labour_n to_o reform_v at_o home_n what_o he_o do_v so_o high_o declaim_v against_o in_o other_o one_o late_o of_o his_o church_n though_o he_o weak_o renounce_v his_o ordination_n yet_o to_o his_o end_n will_v not_o quit_v his_o tithe_n other_o of_o the_o member_n of_o his_o church_n be_v parish-preacher_n and_o receiver_n of_o tithe_n may_v it_o not_o now_o be_v query_v upon_o mr._n p_n principle_n whether_o his_o church_n be_v come_v out_o of_o babylon_n when_o such_o brat_n of_o babylon_n as_o he_o account_v parish-minister_n and_o receiver_n of_o tithe_n to_o be_v be_v the_o main_a pillar_n of_o it_o and_o be_v suffer_v in_o it_o though_o they_o live_v in_o a_o practice_n direct_o contrary_a to_o their_o pastor_n doctrine_n or_o be_v it_o antichristian_a in_o all_o other_o to_o receive_v tithe_n but_o not_o in_o the_o member_n of_o mr._n p_n society_n but_o reader_n be_v it_o not_o more_o strange_a than_o this_o and_o matter_n of_o wonder_n that_o mr._n post_z lethwait_n himself_o who_o do_v so_o high_o inveigh_v against_o tithe_n shall_v defile_v his_o finger_n with_o the_o silver_n and_o gold_n of_o the_o idol_n that_o accurse_a thing_n in_o his_o judgement_n and_o give_v a_o acquittance_n for_o tithe_n by_o the_o name_n of_o tithe_n under_o his_o own_o hand_n and_o that_o since_o he_o have_v appear_v in_o print_n in_o his_o pamphlet_n against_o tithe_n i_o can_v assure_v thou_o it_o be_v not_o more_o strange_a than_o true_a judge_v now_o what_o heed_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o his_o declamation_n against_o we_o who_o take_v tithe_n which_o we_o judge_v we_o may_v lawful_o receive_v whenas_o he_o can_v allow_v himself_o to_o take_v they_o who_o profess_o condemn_v they_o and_o account_v they_o antichristian_a i_o shall_v presume_v to_o give_v mr._n p._n some_o advice_n hereupon_o and_o so_o close_a this_o section_n 1_o i_o beseech_v he_o to_o make_v sure_a of_o a_o actual_a particular_a repentance_n from_o that_o sin_n against_o his_o judgement_n 2_o i_o wish_v he_o to_o study_v controvert_v point_v more_o thorough_o before_o he_o adventure_v to_o determine_v of_o they_o so_o peremptory_o 3_o i_o entreat_v he_o to_o consider_v that_o if_o his_o judgement_n be_v still_o the_o same_o concern_v tithe_n he_o shall_v labour_v speedy_o to_o his_o power_n to_o restore_v that_o tythe-money_n he_o have_v heretofore_o receive_v if_o it_o be_v babylonish_n gold_n a_o accurse_a thing_n gain_v unjust_o get_v why_o shall_v it_o abide_v in_o his_o tabernacle_n to_o consume_v both_o it_o and_o he_o this_o he_o be_v mind_v of_o by_o a_o parish-minister_n who_o break_v bread_n with_o he_o who_o tell_v he_o that_o by_o the_o principle_n of_o his_o book_n he_o be_v bind_v to_o make_v restitution_n of_o the_o tithe_n he_o have_v at_o any_o time_n receive_v to_o the_o utmost_a of_o his_o estate_n i_o hear_v his_o evasion_n be_v he_o will_v make_v restitution_n if_o he_o know_v to_o who_o but_o do_v not_o he_o know_v that_o when_o the_o right_a owner_n of_o good_n unlawful_o get_v can_v be_v discover_v the_o poor_a be_v the_o heir_n luke_n 19.8_o herewith_o mr._n p._n will_v do_v well_o to_o think_v upon_o that_o of_o austin_n non_fw-la aufertur_fw-la peccatum_fw-la nisi_fw-la restituat_fw-la rab_n latum_fw-la sect_n ix_o concern_v the_o commissioner_n for_o approbation_n of_o public_a preacher_n take_v heed_n that_o you_o set_v not_o up_o episcopacy_n again_o 85._o p._n 84_o 85._o saint_n be_v afraid_a what_o the_o commissioner_n for_o the_o trial_n of_o minister_n will_v come_v to_o at_o last_o at_o first_o