Selected quad for the lemma: nature_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
nature_n	humane_a	person_n	property_n	3,952	5	9.4155	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A15422	Synopsis papismi, that is, A generall viewe of papistry wherein the whole mysterie of iniquitie, and summe of antichristian doctrine is set downe, which is maintained this day by the Synagogue of Rome, against the Church of Christ, together with an antithesis of the true Christian faith, and an antidotum or counterpoyson out of the Scriptures, against the whore of Babylons filthy cuppe of abominations: deuided into three bookes or centuries, that is, so many hundreds of popish heresies and errors. Collected by Andrew Willet Bachelor of Diuinity.	Willet, Andrew, 1562-1621.	1592 (1592)	STC 25696; ESTC S119956	618,512	654

question_n wherein_o we_o dissent_v from_o our_o adversary_n both_o as_o touch_v all_o the_o office_n of_o christ_n his_o prophetical_a office_n kingdom_n and_o priesthood_n as_o likewise_o concern_v the_o benefit_n purchase_v by_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n the_o benefit_n of_o our_o redemption_n and_o salvation_n now_o in_o the_o last_o place_n we_o be_v to_o prosecute_v such_o matter_n in_o question_n between_o we_o as_o do_v concern_v the_o nature_n of_o christ._n and_o this_o treatise_n contain_v three_o controversy_n first_o of_o the_o humane_a nature_n of_o christ._n second_o of_o his_o divine_a nature_n three_o of_o they_o both_o consider_v together_o the_o eighteen_o general_z controversy_n concern_v the_o humane_a nature_n of_o christ_n this_o controversy_n be_v divide_v into_o these_o question_n first_o of_o the_o ubiquity_n of_o the_o humanity_n of_o christ._n second_o whether_o he_o increase_v in_o wisdom_n three_o whether_o he_o suffer_v in_o soul_n four_o whether_o he_o 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the_o son_n of_o god_n not_o for_o any_o work_n go_v before_o but_o because_o the_o holy_a ghost_n come_v upon_o she_o wherefore_o the_o divine_a glory_n which_o christ_n have_v be_v not_o merit_v but_o his_o own_o it_o be_v from_o the_o beginning_n which_o glory_n the_o humane_a nature_n in_o christ_n be_v make_v partaker_n of_o not_o for_o any_o merit_n but_o because_o it_o be_v unite_v to_o the_o godhead_n in_o the_o same_o person_n through_o the_o abundant_a and_o unspeakable_a grace_n and_o love_n of_o god_n unto_o mankind_n which_o of_o his_o free_a grace_n rather_o take_v unto_o himself_o the_o nature_n of_o man_n then_o of_o angel_n wherefore_o christ_n by_o his_o perfect_a obedience_n and_o bless_a sacrifice_n have_v merit_v abundant_o for_o we_o remission_n of_o sin_n and_o eternal_a life_n but_o by_o his_o merit_n he_o have_v gain_v nothing_o for_o himself_o neither_o have_v he_o any_o respect_n to_o the_o better_n of_o his_o own_o estate_n in_o his_o suffering_n but_o 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