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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
nature_n	ghost_n	holy_a	trinity_n	3,214	5	9.7060	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A34470	A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was	Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659.	1656 (1656)	Wing C6094; ESTC R215454	85,329	113

in all things made like unto his Brethren sin known and committed excepted that as we had in us the knowledge and actings of sin so God made him to be sin for us who himself knew no sin that we might be made the righteousnesse of God in him Rosewell Though you say he committed none yet you do here intimate that Christs nature was tainted with original sin which I prove to be blasphemy for now I have it from your own mouth indeed he was made a Sin Offering for sin the Scripture saith But Mr. Mayor and Captain Smith you may plainlie see how his argument is corrupted which will go about to make men believe that Christ was a sinner and that his nature was tainted with original sin Coppin 'T is you that say so not I as the people canwitnefs Head the Lawer But you have said it and I have it here in writing Coppin Have you so Sir pray let me hear what you have written for now I see you still lie upon the catch therefore you people pray take notice and I will repeat the words again and see if I speak any thing that the Scripture will not bear me out in I say the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the living God and Saviour of the world knew no sin neither was guile found in his mouth yet was all the sins of all men in the world laid upon him and reckoned to him to be no longer ours but his that he might suffer for them Robison a Justice Will you say that Christ suffered for his own sins Coppin Not as acted by him but reckoned to him But Sir pray answer me this question seeing you have spoke Is the body of Christ part of himself or not Robison Yes his bodie is himself Coppin Pray then whose body are all the men in the world which Christ died for Robison Whose why they are the bodie of Christ Coppin Then people take no●ice if the whole world of men which Christ died for be the bodie of Christ then Christ dying for their sins died for the sins of his own bodie whose bodie we all are and members in particular as 't is written We are members of his bodie of his flesh and of his bones and so Christ in his bodie of flesh as part of ours did bear our sins and infirmities 1 Pet. 2. 24. whose his own self did bear our sins in his own bodie on the Tree and in Mat. 8. 16. himselfe took our infirmities and bear our sicknesses and Isa 53. 3. 4. 5. He is despised and rejected of men a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief and we hid as it were our faces from him he was despised and we esteemed him not Surely he hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows yet we did esteem him stricken smitten of God and afflicted He was wounded for our transgressions he was bruised for our iniquities and the chastisements of our peace was upon him We all like sheep have gone astray and the Lord hath laid upon him the iniquities of us all So that whatsoever sins whatsoever sicknesses weaknesses infirmities and punishments was in the flesh of men Christ taking the same flesh and bloud of men upon him took all this that so he might overcome it for men according to those Scriptures Rosewell You pervert Scripture for the meaning is he took our punishments and not our sins Coppin Nay then you pervert Scripture for the words are He bear our sins Rosewell Mr. Mayor and the rest you may see with what a Brazen-face this Blasphemer stands to maintain his damnable errors Coppin And 't is well I have such a face and such patience else it were not for me to stand here before you to hear such railing and reviling which you never learned from Christ for when he Disputed with the Devil about the bodie of Moses he brought no railing Accusation but said The Lord rebuke thee Rosewell Then the Lord rebuke thee Satan But you must not think to shift it off so for you have perverted Scripture and you must give satisfaction in it Coppin Sir what do you mean by satisfaction It may be if I stand here till to morrow you will not be satisfied but my desire is to satisfie the people and you if I may Rosewell You are before a juditions Auditorie which may well understand you Coppin It is well you do now confesse they are a juditious Auditorie you did say the other day to the contrarie Rosewell You do not answer any thing to this Proposition but do pervert the Scripture by saying the nature of Christ was polluted with sin Coppin I do not say that his nature was polluted with sin but that our nature was polluted till Christ was manifest in it to destroy the pollutions of it as 't is written For this purpose was the Son of God manifest that he might destroy the works of the Devil And the Lord hath laid on him the iniquities of us all and he did bear them in his own bodie on the Tree Rosewell I say again he that doth teach people to believe that Jesus Christ was a sinner and that his nature was polluted with sin is a Blafphemer of Christ and a venter of damnable errors but you do teach people to believe so ergo Coppin I still denie your minor and did never say that Christ was a sinner as all the people can witnesse but I say He was made sin for us and yet knew no sin but did bear our sins in his bodie Rosewell He that doth attribute any thing to Christ that is a dishonor to Christ he is a perverter of Scripture and a Blasphemer of Christ but you by saying the nature of Christ was polluted with sin have d●ne so ergo Coppin I have denied your minor which you cannot prove and do des●re you to declare what nature of man it was the Scripture saith Christ did take on him Was it a holy nature or a sinful nature Rosewell The nature of man when Christ did come to take it on him was polluted but that part which Christ did take on him was holie for it was the nature of a Virgin Luke 1. 35. The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee therefore that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God He did take mans nature on him but not his sins and this I declare and am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ Coppin The nature of the Virgin Mary which you say was holy before Christ took it on him I say was the same with all other mens nature for sinfulnesse for all had sinned and Christ took on him the sinful nature of all which sinned before he could undergo the punishment due for sin as I have proved by several Scriptures and Arguments in answer to this Proposition and therefore if you or any man else have any thing more to

the second person in the Trinity God our All-blessed for ever he that did take our nature of his Virgin Mother and doth in our nature sit at the right hand of God and will come again at the last day to judge the quick and dead Coppin I do not denie the three persons according to the Scripture but you do denie Christ to be within us and would subscribe him to a place above our heads with another person therefore I will tell you what the Trinity is First there is God the Father that did create all things and in whom all things live when yet unknown to man and that men might know him that is true he did appear as a son amongst men to manifest himself to men and so he is said to be Immanuel God withus which is also Christ in us the hope of glory Thirdly there is the Holy Spirit and that is the compleat manifestation of the fulness of all things brought home to mans understanding wherein God Christ and man appears all but one in one God as Christ saith I in them and thou in me that we all may be made perfect in one and saith he The Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name he shall come and teach you all things Now so long as man is without this manifestation of God which is Christ in him he is a reprobate and knows not God but when Christ shall so appear in man to shew the Father plainly then is there a perfect knowledg of the true God in man John 14. 20. At that day ye shall know that I am in the Father and you in me and I in you and then know you not but that Christ is in you except you be reprobates And now what is a reprobate but not to have Christ in you which is God manifest in flesh therefore I say Reprobation is the not knowing of God to be in you Rom. 1. 28. for because they did not like to retain God in their knowledge God gave them over to a reprobate mind but where there is God manifest in flesh to the knowledge of any there is Christ and that man is no longer a reprobate for then is God said to walk in him as being no longer still and silent but is seen and known to him as when a man dwells in a house shuting the windows to him and will not be seen so when God doth not only dwell in man but also walk in man discovering himself to man by opening and leting in the light through the understanding of man then is Father Son and Spirit all three as one God dwelling walking and manifesting himself in man For saith he I will dwell amongst you and I will walk amongst you I will be your God and you shall be my people Rosewell You have confounded the three persons Coppin No I have united them together in their proper places as all agreeing in one when as they were three manifestations of that one great and glorious God Father Son and Spirit Rosewell It is high time for Magistrates Ministers and people to look about them when such damnable errors are uttered with so impudent a face Captain Smith Mr. Rosewell It is the plain Scripture I conceive Mr. Coppin hath given the people satisfaction in those things for he saith that Jesus Christ is in no reprobates nor in no man till they know God and that where God doth manifest himself to a soul there is Christ Rosewell But Sir he I know doth mean that there is no reprobates ordained to wrath now tell me will Christ be in them you call reprobates first or last Coppin There is no man now come to know God but first he did not know God and so long he was a reprobate which that all men are till Christ be dwelling in them Captain Smith Till Jesus Christ be manifested in them he saith they are reprobates Rosewell But I have a new question that is Will Christ be manifest in them all first or last answer that Coppin I will give you a plain Scripture for an answer 1 Tim. 2. 4. 5. Who will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth for there is one God and one Mediator betweene God and man even the man Christ Jesus who gave himselfe a ransome for all men to be testified in due time whereunta I Paul am ordained an Apostle I speak the truth in Christ and lie not Rosewell You see ●e affirms that God will save all men Coppin I have answered you in the plain words of Scriptures which is an answer sufficient And Paul saith He doth speak the truth in Christ and lies not pick what you can out of that and of this Gospel truth saith he I Paul am made a Minister Rosewell You do not say that Christ shall appear in all but you bring this as a proof now no Scripture doth contradict another now this is meant he will save some of all sorts of men of places and authority Coppin The Apostle saith all and you say some who perverts Scripture now you or I Rosewell You are not to pray for all men therefore all shall not be saved Coppin If all shall be saved that are to be prayed for then there is none but shall be saved for prayers is to be made for all men Rosewell But the Apostle means all sorts of men and that some of all sorts shall be saved Coppin Then by your own words there is no one whole sort of men in the world left out from salvation but some of all sorts and not all of any sort you say shall be saved and the Scripture saith all men of all sorts for both the fulnesse of Jews and Gentiles shall come in therefore name any of any sort that shall not CHAP. IX The sin against the Holy Ghost not forgiven what it is who commits it and when ROsewell He that hath commited the sin against the Holy Ghost that after strong conviction of truth do fall away and are perverted they shall not be forgiven in this world nor the world to come and whosoever commits sin is of him but he that is born of God sineth not neither can he for his seed remaineth in him Rosewell He that is born of God sineth not that is willingly to make a trade of sin yet in the best of Gods people there is sin Coppin Then he that commits sin is of the devill and shall be destroyed but if he that commits sin and is of the devill be meant of men there is none shall be saved if all commits sin as you say Rosewell No I doe not say so Coppin But you do therefore heare if he that commits sin is of the devill as the Scripture saith and that as you say all men do commit sin for you say in the best of Gods people there is sin and that God will destroy the persons of men