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A13160 A challenge concerning the Romish Church, her doctrine & practises, published first against Rob. Parsons, and now againe reuiewed, enlarged, and fortified, and directed to him, to Frier Garnet, to the archpriest Blackevvell and all their adhærents, by Matth. Sutcliffe. Thereunto also is annexed an answere vnto certeine vaine, and friuolous exceptions, taken to his former challenge, and to a certeine worthlesse pamphlet lately set out by some poore disciple of Antichrist, and entituled, A detection of diuers notable vntrueths, contradictions, corruptions, and falsifications gathered out of M. Sutcliffes new challenge, &c. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629.; Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. Briefe replie to a certaine odious and slanderous libel. 1602 (1602) STC 23454; ESTC S117867 337,059 440

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altaria saith the text quae erant in Hierusalem atque vniuersa in quibus idolis adolebatur incensum subuertentes proiecerunt in torrentem cedron would not then such masse priests as burne incense to their idols and cense their idolatrous altars be repressed and their altars ouerthrowne and their strange fire be throwen out of the church argument 22 p Arg. 22. The apostle act 17. doth plainely declare that God neither dwelleth in temples made with hands nor is worshipped with mens hands non habitat in templis manufactis nec manibus humanis colitur those therefore that worship God in images and images with their owne deuises as the papists doe doe decline to gentilisme and idolatry argument 23 q Arg. 23. Finally the scriptures doe signifie that it is idolatry to expresse God by any similitude or figure and to worship the same for that is expresly forbidden in the commandement against idolatry and the holy scriptures to recall Gods people from this idolatrous humor doth diuersly declare that he cannot be expressed or figured by any likenesse cui similem fecistis deum saith the r Isai 40. prophet aut quam imaginem ponetis ei numquid sculptile conflauit faber aut aurifex auro figurauit illud laminis argenteis argentarius he doth plainely expresse that no image can be made like to God and that neither the grauer nor smith can resemble him with their grauen images and againe non debemus existimate saith ſ Act. 17. Saint Paule auro aut argento aut lapidi sculpturae artis cogitationis hominis diuinum numen esse simile we ought not to imagine that God is like to gold or siluer or stone grauen by art or deuise of man those therefore that by grauing and painting resemble God the father to an old man or the holy ghost to a doue and make shapes of the holy Trinity repugne manifestly against scripture and worshipping those images shew themselues to be grosse idolaters neither is it any excuse that they say they doe not goe about to expresse the diuine nature for if they doe not that then doe they expresse nothing but a fancy and worship a fancy and so proue themselues to worship idols that is as Bellarmine confesseth false images or resemblances idolum saith he est falsa similiiudo id est representat id t Lib. 2. de imaginib c. 5. quod reuera non est but God is not like to these resemblances therefore they must néeds be false and they that worship them true idolaters by the confession of Bellarmine argument 24 u Arg. 24. The fathers also minister vs good arguments not onely to reproue the papists false worship but also to proue them idolaters Quis tam amens erit saith x Praeparat euangel lib. 3. Eusebius vt dei formam imaginem statua viro simili referri perhibeat that is who will be so mad as to auow that God may be expressed and resembled by an image like to a man Athanasius in orat contra Sabellij gregales calleth them fools and mad men that made God like to things that haue bodies quam imaginem ponetis ei saith Hierome in Isaiae c. 40. qui spiritus est in omnibus est what image will you erect for him which is a spirit and is in all things y Stromat lib. 1. 5. Clement of Alexandria saith that Moyses taught vs that neither in the shape of man nor any other thing God is to be represented and Origen likewise in his 7. booke against Celsus denieth that Christians are to make any resemblance or likenesse of God Tale simulachrum saith saint z De file symbolo Augustine speaking of God made in shape like a man deo nefas est Christiano in templo collocare It is a wicked thing saith he to make the image of God and to place it in the church a In deuter q 1. Theodoret teacheth vs that the law of Moyses forbiddeth vs so much as once to attempt to frame an image or similitude of God Ne tentemus vnquam saith he diuinam imaginem effingere Damascene lib. 4. de fide c 17. saith it is a point of great folly and impietie by figures and similitudes to represent God The Audeans were condemned for that they taught that God had a shape like to man b Haeres 70. Epiphanius disputing against them quomodopossibile est saith he visibile simile esse inuisibili quomodo corporale incorporali c Lib. hist 18. c. 53. Nicephorus reckoneth those among heretickes that made the images of God the Father and God the holy Ghost imagines patris spiritus sancti effigiant saith he quod perquam absurdum est Finally it appeareth by the testimony of Agrippa in a certeine epistle to Caligula of which d In legat ad Caium Philo maketh mention that it was accounted a thing impious amongst the Iewes either in picture or grauen or embossed worke to represent God that is inuisible inuisibilem deum pingere aut fingere saith he nefas duxerunt maiores nostri If then the papists make the images of God the father and the holy Ghost and of the holy Trinitie and worship them with diuine worship according to the schoole doctrine then doe they by the iudgement of the fathers not onely transgresse Gods law and offend most foolishly and wickedly but also commit most grosse idolatrie but it cannot be denied either that they make such pictures and images or that they worship them that they make them the common practise of the Romish church and the front of Sixtus quintus his bible and diuers popish monuments doe teach vs that they doe worship them the decrée of the e Sess 25. councell of Trent concerning images the common schoole doctrine and practise of papists doth teach vs. Suares in 3. p. Thomae Aquin. tom 1. disput 54. sect 4. 5. doeth affirme it and Bellarmine in his disputes doeth not deny it how then are they able to excuse themselues from palpable and grosse idolatry f Lib. 2. de cult●… imag c. 8. Bellarmine where he disputeth that it is lawfull to make the images of God and namely the image of the holy Ghost saith that the images of God may be made or painted if not to expresse the perfect likenesse of God yet to expresse histories and to expresse the nature of God by a certeine analogie and by metaphoricall and mysticall significations afterwards he saith g Ibid. c. 25. that images are to be worshipped with the same worship that is due to the original imperfectly analogically but the first is sufficent to shew and that most perfectly that he speaketh impudently against the law of God and all the fathers that vtterly denied all vse of pictures of God either in stories or in mysticall significations the second declareth him and his consorts to be idolaters and that perfectly albeit be surmise it to