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A27059 Two disputations of original sin I. of original sin as from Adam, II. of original sin as from our neerer parents : written long ago for a more private use, and now published (with a preface) upon the invitation of Dr. T. Tullie / by Richard Baxter. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1675 (1675) Wing B1439; ESTC R5175 104,517 242

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must_v be_v because_o we_o derive_v our_o nature_n from_o he_o and_o then_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n for_o our_o guilt_n of_o near_a parent_n sin_n save_v only_o that_o god_n have_v since_o more_o free_v we_o from_o the_o danger_n of_o that_o suffering_n which_o by_o such_o sin_n we_o may_v have_v undergo_v as_o he_o pardon_v to_o we_o adam_n impute_v sin_n also_o the_o minor_a of_o the_o argument_n will_v be_v anon_o clear_v in_o the_o follow_a argument_n obj._n it_o be_v indeed_o a_o punishment_n that_o be_v due_a to_o child_n for_o their_o parent_n sin_n but_o it_o be_v only_o to_o the_o parent_n that_o it_o be_v formal_o punishment_n and_o to_o themselves_o it_o be_v but_o material_o so_o and_o so_o but_o affliction_n because_o the_o sin_n and_o so_o the_o guilt_n be_v only_o the_o parent_n though_o the_o child_n be_v the_o subject_n of_o the_o suffering_n answ_n 1._o if_o this_o be_v grant_v it_o will_v still_o hold_v good_a that_o god_n may_v just_o lay_v that_o suffering_n which_o be_v material_o punishment_n upon_o child_n for_o the_o sin_n of_o immediate_a parent_n 2._o if_o this_o be_v so_o than_o it_o will_v equal_o follow_v that_o we_o may_v not_o be_v formal_o but_o material_o punish_v for_o adam_n sin_n see_v the_o reason_n be_v manifest_v to_o be_v the_o same_o 3._o i_o have_v show_v that_o there_o must_v be_v some_o reason_n on_o the_o part_n of_o the_o sufferer_n why_o he_o shall_v suffer_v for_o another_o man_n sin_n now_o with_o we_o in_o the_o present_a case_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o reason_n be_v because_o we_o be_v their_o seed_n and_o have_v our_o nature_n from_o they_o go_v this_o be_v a_o less-perfect_a or_o analogical_a guilt_n obj._n god_n do_v inflict_v suffering_n on_o the_o beast_n for_o man_n sin_n without_o any_o cause_n on_o their_o part_n go_v he_o may_v do_v so_o by_o infant_n answ_n 1._o god_n be_v not_o the_o rector_n of_o beast_n in_o a_o moral_a proper_a sense_n but_o only_o in_o a_o natural_a 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due_a to_o they_o in_o the_o primary_n full_a and_o most_o proper_a sense_n on_o the_o child_n that_o be_v then_o in_o their_o loin_n it_o be_v guilt_n and_o punishment_n more_o imperfect_o as_o by_o analogy_n of_o attribution_n in_o the_o bruit_n when_o sacrifice_v or_o destroy_v for_o their_o master_n sin_n it_o be_v but_o equivocal_o guilt_n and_o punishment_n i_o shall_v proceed_v to_o some_o text_n of_o scripture_n arg._n 9_o deut._n 28._o 18._o curse_v shall_v be_v the_o fruit_n of_o thy_o body_n child_n be_v curse_v for_o the_o sin_n of_o immediate_a parent_n go_v punish_v obj._n it_o be_v only_o to_o the_o parent_n that_o it_o be_v a_o punishment_n answ_n true_o in_o the_o primary_n sense_n but_o as_o the_o child_n participate_v of_o their_o nature_n so_o also_o of_o the_o nature_n of_o guilt_n and_o punishment_n it_o be_v a_o threaten_n of_o natural_a evil_n to_o a_o rational_a creature_n because_o of_o a_o moral_a evil_n which_o he_o have_v some_o participation_n of_o go_v 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