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A67836 An apology for Congregational divines against the charge of ... : under which head are published amicable letters between the author and a conformist / by a Presbyterian : also a speech delivered at Turners-Hall, April 29 : where Mr. Keith, a reformed Quaker ... required Mr. Penn, Mr. Elwood ... to appear ... by Trepidantium Malleus ... Trepidantium Malleus. 1698 (1698) Wing Y76; ESTC R34116 83,935 218

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it is there said Q. Quid putas de istis qui nolunt adorare Jesum Christum A. Non sunt Christiani Franciscus Druid that blasphemer and his Followers condemned all Adoration and call their Brethren Idolaters and I think their Charge is true on their common Principle To say Christ is indeed a Dependant and Subordinate God and therefore a Relative and Subordinate Worship is due to him That the Father is the Supream Cause first Efficient and last End but Christ is the middle or second Cause of Salvation and intermediate End of Religion What signifies all this when it is no civil Worship given to him as the People did to David c. but they call it themselves Divine not so much as God is the Popish Shifts for worshipping of Saints not so much as Christ No wonder there is so great a distance between Socinians and Christians pardon the Expression I know what I say and after no mean Men when such charging one another is among them Esay says Who shall declare his Generation 53. Isai 8. Who indeed As some Men expect the great God should give us his Vassals an Account of his Will so your proud Reasons demand an account of himself which you must not know which you are not capable of knowing Was it not a good Providence the Anti-trinitarian Address made to the Parliament four years since troubled them with this their Controversie and Charge So it is a great Question whether the Holy Ghost be the power of God or as Beedle and others say a Created Angel If it be the Vertue of God it is Idolatry to give a Created Angel this Honour If a created Angel he is rob'd by others of his honour due to him being not regarded as it would be to Christ if he were thus overlookt That the Person of Father Son and Holy Ghost subsist in the Divine Nature I thin● is the best way of considering and speaking of the Trinity The great Objection is 17 John 3 This is life eternal to know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent Compare this and 1 Cor. 9 6. I only and Barnabas c. and then read John 5.7 This is the true God then as only excluded not Barnabas that follows but takes him in so here the only true God and Jesus Christ the true God They that say the Scripture says plainly there is but one God the Father of all forget the next word and ne Lord. Now if one God excludes Christ from being God one Lord excludes the Father from being Lord. 1 Tim. 3.6 Where it is said of Christ He only hath immortallity excludes not the Father from having Immortallity The essential Properties are common to all the Three but not Personal I like the old Anthem well mentioned by Dr. South Quid fit Gign quid processus Me nescive sum professus The Master of the Sentence and the School Men after him have said much about it but to little purpose I worder our Socinians are not ashamed to tell us That the Jews Turks and they worship one God Well matcht God is Lord of the understanding as well as of the Will and as our Wills must yield to his Law tho a veluctancy against them so our understandings to his Declarations tho a veluctancy against them Three to be One O contradiction in Terms cry our Socinians I lately asked one of them What is that he sees in the Glass Is it the same thing with his Face or another If the same thing then Three may be One. For we are sure we sometimes thus see three distinctfaces and if another as we conclude what is it material or immaterial Not material surely for what becomes of it when we turn away Corruptio unius If immaterial how do we see it with our Eyes may not we cry O horrible contradiction of Terms see with natural Eyes immaterial c. Isindore ●ave the fairest stroak I can remember of any about what that is we see in the Glass but far from being ●●●isfactory I am of their mind who tell us it is not safe to express the distinction of uncreated Persons by terms of Art The word Father when taken personally is only of the first Person in the Trinity when essentially of all in opposition to Creatures or image c. so is Christ the everlasting Father Are not Gods works of Creation and Providence unfordable How much more the Discoveries of himself I know some Quakers are not Socinians they own Christ Divinity but Sabellians I now none of them Trinitarians POSTSCRIPT SInce this Book was sent to the Press I saw Crispianism Vnmask'd done by a famous thorow Calvinist Conformist which pleaseth me not a little He is a man famous for Learning Piety and Moderation If any therefore value no● Mr. William's Book because of some Baxtterianisms in it let him peruse this where he proves That Crisp tho he pretended to be the greatest admirer of Faith yet would not allow it its due in Justification Thht Crisp was one that made the word of God of non-effect It is saith he no breach of Charity to say He was one of the Mockers and Scoffers of the last times foretold by the Apostle p. 59. Obj. I have neglected the Day of Visitation are brought in a Mockery If they weep if they 〈◊〉 lustily No dutys move God 〈…〉 car Sins on Christ who said 〈◊〉 did What misrepresentation is 〈◊〉 of us some think when God afflicts if they do mend God will mend These Graces as they call them says he on the General Tenders of the Gospel Conclude Christ is yours it is as good a Security as God can make you Sincerity is no Quallification that may be found in an enemy of Christ p. ●et elsewhere Sincerity is denied to be in Saints That God is never angry with believers for committing Sin or neglect of Duty This wise serious meak man could not in true Zeal but compare This Christ Exalter to the Christ Exalter 4 Mat. That exalted Christ to the Pinnacle of the temple to be precipitated and destroyed p. 64. This is saith he A Diabolical Sn. tanical Exaltation of Christ to throw down all Christianity He ta●es notice of the D 's rude Expressions and Style too render Sacred things cont emptible and his nautious Repetition of the same things in the very same Words over and over four or five Sermons saith he contain all the forty two He doubts not but his prophane way of talking of Duties which says he the man affected hath cool'd the Zeal of a great number to Prayer and other Duties He looks on his other Sermons as a kind of Recantation p. 28 He proves the D. to be full of contradictoions c. FINIS