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homini_fw-la manet_fw-la infensus_fw-la ut_fw-la meritâ—_n
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retinens_fw-la speciem_fw-la sed_fw-la virtutis_fw-la divinae_fw-la invisibil_n essentia_fw-la probans_fw-la adesse_fw-la praesentiam_fw-la although_o the_o immortal_a food_n deliver_v in_o the_o eucharist_n differ_v from_o common_a meat_n yet_o â—â—retaineth_v in_o the_o kind_n of_o corporal_a substance_n he_o say_v not_o species_n in_o the_o plural_a number_n meaning_n according_a to_o the_o new_a popish_a sense_n the_o external_a shape_n and_o accident_n of_o bread_n for_o let_v the_o adversary_n prove_v out_o of_o antiquiâ—â—_n that_o s._n cyprian_n or_o the_o primitive_a church_n maintain_v 〈◊〉_d late_a roman_a doctrine_n concern_v shape_n of_o bread_n and_o 〈◊〉_d without_o the_o material_a substance_n and_o we_o will_v free_o grant_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n be_v ancient_a 〈◊〉_d he_o say_v speciem_fw-la in_o the_o singular_a number_n that_o be_v the_o corporal_a form_n and_o substance_n thus_o you_o show_v yourself_o to_o have_v no_o species_n of_o true_a learning_n whether_o species_n signify_v kind_a or_o shape_n for_o here_o you_o discover_v four_o simplicitye_n in_o matter_n of_o grammar_n the_o first_o be_v the_o mystery_n you_o make_v about_o the_o plural_a and_o singular_a number_n of_o species_n as_o though_o s_n cyprian_n if_o he_o have_v say_v in_o the_o plural_a alimonia_fw-la immortalitatis_fw-la corporalis_fw-la substantiae_fw-la retinens_fw-la species_n shall_v have_v favour_v transubstantiation_n whereas_o now_o that_o he_o say_v in_o the_o singular_a corporalis_fw-la substantiae_fw-la retinens_fw-la speciem_fw-la he_o do_v overthrow_v it_o he_o say_v not_o say_v you_o species_n in_o the_o plural_a number_n mean_v the_o shape_n and_o accident_n of_o bread_n but_o speciem_fw-la in_o the_o singular_a that_o be_v the_o kind_n or_o the_o corporal_a substance_n or_o form_n now_o i_o pray_v you_o what_o grammar_n do_v teach_v that_o species_n in_o the_o plural_a number_n do_v signify_v shape_n and_o external_a accident_n and_o in_o the_o singular_a kind_a and_o substance_n have_v s._n cyprian_n say_v plural_o that_o the_o eucharist_n corporalis_fw-la substantiae_fw-la retineâ—_fw-la species_n why_o may_v you_o not_o have_v interpret_v species_n kind_n nature_n and_o form_n aswell_o as_o now_o you_o interpret_v speciem_fw-la the_o nature_n kind_n and_o form_n and_o though_o s._n cyprian_n say_v speciem_fw-la corporalis_fw-la substantiae_fw-la in_o the_o singular_a yet_o why_o may_v not_o we_o expound_v shape_n and_o semblant_n of_o corporal_a substance_n aswell_o as_o we_o may_v have_v expound_v shape_n and_o semblante_n have_v he_o say_v in_o the_o plural_a corporalis_fw-la substantiae_fw-la species_n very_o you_o be_v by_o your_o adversary_n &_o by_o the_o force_n of_o truth_n drive_v into_o such_o strait_n as_o you_o coin_v new_a grammatical_a mystery_n against_o all_o grammar_n your_o second_o simplicity_n be_v the_o note_v that_o species_n in_o the_o singular_a do_v signify_v nature_n and_o kind_a as_o though_o we_o be_v ignorant_a thereof_o or_o that_o you_o can_v hereby_o elude_v the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n we_o bring_v to_o 〈◊〉_d they_o teach_v the_o eucharist_n to_o be_v the_o shape_n of_o 〈◊〉_d and_o wine_n contain_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o 〈◊〉_d lord_n this_o i_o say_v be_v a_o silly_a and_o miserable_a shift_n for_o though_o species_n signify_v nature_n &_o kind_n and_o this_o signification_n be_v much_o use_v special_o in_o logic_n yet_o no_o 〈◊〉_d can_v deny_v but_o species_n do_v also_o proper_o signify_v 〈◊〉_d outward_a semblant_n show_v and_o shape_n and_o that_o this_o signification_n be_v very_o vulgar_a and_o to_o know_v when_o species_n do_v signify_v shape_n and_o not_o kind_a this_o rule_n be_v infallible_a that_o still_o it_o be_v take_v for_o shape_n when_o it_o be_v oppose_v unto_o nature_n and_o invisible_a essence_n when_o s._n paul_n exhorte_n that_o not_o only_a man_n have_v their_o inward_a conscience_n pure_a towards_o god_n but_o also_o that_o they_o abstain_v ab_fw-la omni_fw-la specie_fw-la mali_fw-la 5.22_o 1._o thess._n 5.22_o who_o endue_v with_o common_a sense_n will_v interpret_v this_o otherwise_o then_o from_o any_o show_n or_o semblant_n of_o evil_a by_o this_o rule_n we_o prove_v that_o the_o father_n when_o they_o say_v that_o the_o species_n of_o bread_n remain_v they_o mean_v the_o shape_n because_o they_o oppose_v the_o species_n of_o bread_n unto_o the_o inward_a substance_n &_o true_a be_v of_o bread_n thus_o s_n cyrill_n mystagog_n cyrillus_n hierosol_n orat_fw-la 4_o mystagog_n know_v and_o most_o certain_o believe_v 〈◊〉_d this_o bread_n which_o seem_v to_o we_o be_v not_o bread_n though_o the_o taste_n esteem_v it_o to_o be_v bread_n but_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n and_o that_o the_o wine_n see_v of_o we_o though_o to_o the_o taste_n it_o seem_v wine_n be_v not_o wine_n but_o the_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n nam_fw-la sub_fw-la specie_fw-la panis_fw-la datur_fw-la tibi_fw-la corpus_fw-la sub_fw-la specie_fw-la vini_fw-la datur_fw-la tibi_fw-la sanguis_fw-la under_o the_o species_n of_o bread_n be_v give_v thou_o the_o body_n under_o the_o species_n of_o wine_n be_v give_v thou_o the_o blood_n of_o christ._n what_o 〈◊〉_d be_v more_o clear_a than_o that_o this_o father_n do_v distinguish_v the_o species_n and_o shape_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n from_o 〈◊〉_d nature_n kind_n and_o substance_n affirm_v the_o first_o 〈◊〉_d remain_v and_o not_o the_o second_o your_o three_o simplicity_n be_v that_o to_o prove_v that_o species_n in_o the_o singular_a do_v signify_v kind_a not_o shape_n you_o bring_v this_o place_n of_o saint_n cyprian_n coena_fw-la cyprian_n cyprian_a serm_n de_fw-fr coena_fw-la imâ—mortalitatis_fw-la alimonia_fw-la datur_fw-la à _fw-la communibus_fw-la cibis_fw-la differens_fw-la corporalis_fw-la substantiae_fw-la retinens_fw-la speciem_fw-la sed_fw-la diviâ—â—_n virtutis_fw-la invisibili_fw-la essentia_fw-la probans_fw-la adesse_fw-la praesentiam_fw-la foâ—_n even_o in_o this_o testimony_n species_n do_v not_o signify_v kind_a but_o shape_n and_o so_o by_o this_o very_a text_n transubstantiation_n be_v prove_v this_o be_v clear_a because_o wheâ—_n the_o species_n of_o a_o thing_n be_v in_o speech_n oppose_v against_o the_o virtue_n of_o the_o same_o thing_n than_o species_n muâ—â—_n need_v signify_v shape_n and_o show_v not_o truth_n anâ—_n substance_n as_o when_o s._n paul_n say_v 5·_v say_v 1._o tim._n 3_o 5·_v habentes_fw-la species_n pietatis_fw-la virtutem_fw-la autem_fw-la eius_fw-la abnegantes_fw-la no_o man_n that_o sober_a will_v translate_v have_v piety_n in_o the_o nature_n &_o kinâ—_n yet_o deny_v the_o virtue_n thereof_o but_o retain_v the_o show_n piety_n yet_o deny_v the_o virtue_n thereof_o now_o s._n cyprianâ—_n this_o text_n by_o you_o cite_v do_v oppose_v the_o eucharist_n accord_v to_o the_o species_n unto_o the_o eucharist_n accord_v to_o the_o invisible_a essence_n thereof_o affirm_v the_o same_o to_o 〈◊〉_d a_o common_a thing_n specie_fw-la but_o a_o divine_a presentiall_a veâ—â—tue_n ivisibili_fw-la essentia_fw-la wherefore_o his_o word_n can_v bear_v no_o other_o sense_n but_o this_o that_o the_o eucharist_n be_v the_o subâ—stance_n of_o corporal_a bread_n according_a to_o the_o outwaâ—â—_n shape_n &_o show_v of_o the_o accident_n but_o the_o divine_a presentiall_a virtue_n of_o christ_n body_n &_o blood_n according_a 〈◊〉_d the_o inward_a nature_n &_o invisible_a essence_n of_o the_o thing_n your_o four_o simplicity_n be_v that_o this_o your_o gramâ—maticall_a speculation_n about_o the_o singular_a &_o plural_a 〈◊〉_d species_n be_v of_o itself_o silly_a be_v likewise_o altogether_o impertinent_a unto_o your_o purpose_n for_o you_o by_o this_o acception_n of_o species_n will_v clear_v the_o text_n of_o s._n cyprian_n allege_v by_o the_o answearer_n to_o prove_v that_o breâ—â—_n in_o the_o eucharist_n remain_v only_o in_o shape_n and_o noâ—_n in_o substance_n in_o which_o text_n the_o father_n do_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d word_n species_n but_o effigy_n say_v panis_n non_fw-fr effigy_n sed_fw-la 〈◊〉_d mutatus_fw-la etc._n etc._n bread_n change_v not_o in_o the_o effigy_n 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o nature_n be_v by_o the_o omnipotency_n of_o his_o word_n 〈◊〉_d his_o flesh_n now_o though_o we_o shall_v grant_v your_o 〈◊〉_d
conceit_n that_o species_n in_o the_o singular_a do_v signify_v the_o kind_n of_o the_o nature_n and_o not_o the_o shape_n of_o outward_a accident_n yet_o i_o think_v you_o be_v not_o so_o devoid_a of_o all_o 〈◊〉_d as_o you_o will_v affirm_v that_o effigy_n in_o the_o singular_a may_v signify_v nature_n and_o kind_n nor_o will_v you_o be_v so_o senseleâ—â—â—_n as_o to_o translate_v panis_fw-la non_fw-la effigy_n sed_fw-la natura_fw-la mutatus_fw-la bread_n change_v not_o according_a to_o the_o kind_n but_o according_a to_o the_o nature_n and_o if_o effigy_n signify_v shape_n &_o not_o kind_a than_o we_o see_v this_o most_o ancient_a father_n suppose_v as_o a_o thing_n most_o certain_a that_o the_o sacred_a eucharist_n be_v bread_n in_o shape_n and_o show_v not_o in_o the_o nature_n oâ—_n invisible_a essence_n a_o mystery_n seem_o absurd_a to_o flesh_n &_o blood_n yet_o you_o may_v more_o wise_o upon_o the_o literal_a sense_n of_o god_n word_n believe_v it_o with_o simplicity_n of_o faith_n against_o your_o carnal_a sense_n then_o seek_v to_o maintain_v this_o be_v not_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n with_o so_o much_o childish_a simplicity_n against_o grammar_n a_o five_o example_n of_o ignorance_n join_v with_o extreme_a insolency_n §._o 5._o have_v make_v manifest_a your_o simplicity_n in_o latin_a i_o add_v another_o conviction_n of_o your_o grammatical_a ignorance_n even_o about_o the_o construction_n of_o a_o english_a sentence_n whereby_o most_o calumnious_o you_o 〈◊〉_d upon_o your_o adversary_n false_a and_o impious_a doctrine_n i_o will_v not_o have_v note_v your_o grossness_n in_o this_o point_n be_v not_o the_o same_o join_v with_o serious_a disputation_n against_o the_o suppose_a error_n &_o most_o bitter_a insultation_n against_o the_o jesuit_n not_o only_o revile_v he_o but_o also_o his_o whole_a order_n yea_o through_o their_o side_n the_o most_o holy_a ancient_a father_n thus_o you_o write_v pag._n 236._o the_o latter_a branch_n of_o the_o jesuit_n assumption_n to_o wit_n the_o cross_n nail_n &_o lance_n be_v offer_v by_o christ_n to_o his_o heavenly_a father_n at_o his_o passion_n be_v impious_o false_a for_o nothing_o be_v offer_v by_o christ_n to_o his_o heavenly_a father_n 〈◊〉_d his_o passion_n but_o himself_o &_o part_n of_o himself_o hebr._n 7.27_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o offer_v up_o himself_o hebr._n 9.14_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d through_o the_o eternal_a spirit_n he_o offer_v up_o himself_o without_o spot_n to_o god_n etc._n etc._n hebr._n 10.10_o we_o be_v sanctify_v through_o the_o offering_n of_o the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n once_o for_o all_o hebr._n 9.12_o by_o his_o own_o blood_n he_o enter_v once_o into_o the_o holy_a place_n and_o if_o the_o cross_n nail_n and_o lance_n be_v offer_v by_o chrict_a to_o his_o father_n than_o we_o be_v redeem_v with_o corruptible_a thing_n which_o be_v a_o jesuitical_a or_o rather_o anti-iesuiâ—_a doctrine_n that_o be_v a_o doctrine_n ascribe_v to_o dead_a creature_n iron_n wood_n steel_n nail_n etc._n etc._n that_o which_o be_v most_o proper_a to_o the_o precious_a blood_n of_o jesus_n this_o doctrine_n maintain_v by_o loyalist_n be_v most_o sacrilegious_a and_o more_o to_o be_v abhorreâ—_n then_o judas_n his_o lip_n but_o it_o be_v fulfil_v in_o these_o man_n which_o clement_n alexandrinus_n say_v of_o heathen_a idolater_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v they_o not_o prodigious_a monster_n that_o adore_v stock_n and_o stone_n thus_o serious_o do_v you_o dispute_v against_o jesuite_n who_o you_o name_v loyalist_n for_o hold_v doctrine_n they_o never_o dream_v of_o they_o 17._o they_o crux_fw-la ara_fw-la fuit_fw-la summi_fw-la sacrificij_fw-la bellar._n de_fw-fr imag_n c._n 17._o teach_v with_o the_o pass_n the_o crux_fw-la christi_fw-la non_fw-la templi_fw-la fuit_fw-la ara_fw-la sed_fw-la mundi_fw-la leo_fw-la serm_n 10._o the_o pass_n father_n that_o the_o cross_n be_v the_o altar_n whereon_o christ_n offer_v up_o himself_o but_o that_o he_o offer_v up_o to_o his_o father_n the_o wood_n of_o the_o cross_n or_o the_o steel_n &_o iron_n of_o the_o lance_n &_o nail_n for_o our_o redemption_n certain_a i_o be_o this_o never_o pass_v through_o their_o thought_n and_o yeâ—_n 〈◊〉_d his_o suppose_a error_n you_o be_v so_o waspish_a as_o 〈◊〉_d have_v fisher_n have_v not_o without_o cause_n she_o have_v give_v out_o disgraceful_a word_n against_o m._n fisher_n suspect_v that_o as_o omphale_n 〈…〉_o the_o â—lub_n of_o hercules_n so_o your_o xantippe_n in_o your_o 〈…〉_o take_v your_o pen_n into_o her_o hand_n and_o thence_o pour_v down_o upon_o our_o head_n this_o shameful_a shower_n 〈◊〉_d â—â—proach_n i_o may_v i_o say_v have_v entertain_v this_o suâ—â—â—tion_n be_v it_o not_o for_o the_o so_o frequent_a aspersion_n of_o so_o many_o greek_a word_n according_a to_o the_o videtur_fw-la the_o si_fw-mi duo_fw-la aut_fw-la tria_fw-la verba_fw-la graeca_v sonuerit_fw-la sapere_fw-la sibi_fw-la videtur_fw-la fashion_n of_o heretic_n against_o which_o i_o may_v fit_o in_o this_o place_n apply_v the_o word_n of_o the_o satire_n omnia_fw-la graecè_fw-la cùm_fw-la sit_fw-la turpe_fw-la magis_fw-la nostris_fw-la nescire_fw-la latinè_n greeke_n word_n flow_v from_o their_o mouth_n whereas_o in_o man_n of_o 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v more_o shameful_a to_o be_v ignorant_a of_o their_o own_o language_n &_o to_o want_v wit_n &_o judgement_n to_o construe_v the_o same_o upon_o which_o ignorance_n this_o your_o imputation_n of_o 〈◊〉_d unto_o jesuit_n be_v ground_v except_o you_o will_v acknowledge_v that_o herein_o you_o slander_v they_o malicious_o as_o i_o will_v now_o clear_o demonstrate_v first_o those_o word_n the_o cross_n nail_n and_o lance_n be_v offer_v by_o christ_n to_o his_o heavenly_a father_n at_o his_o passion_n how_o be_v they_o set_v down_o by_o you_o as_o the_o very_a text_n of_o the_o jesuite_n in_o so_o many_o word_n show_v these_o formal_a word_n in_o his_o book_n &_o he_o i_o know_v will_v 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in_o this_o sort_n say_v the_o luc._n the_o quod_fw-la ait_fw-la ad_fw-la aperiens_fw-la vuluam_fw-la consueto_fw-la nativitatis_fw-la more_fw-it loquor_fw-la non_fw-la quod_fw-la dominus_fw-la noster_fw-la sacri_fw-la ventris_fw-la hospitium_fw-la quòd_fw-la ingressus_fw-la sanctificarat_fw-la egressus_fw-la devirginasse_n credendus_fw-la sit_fw-la iuxta_fw-la haereticos_fw-la qui_fw-la dicunt_fw-la beatam_fw-la mariam_n virginem_fw-la fuisse_fw-la usque_fw-la ad_fw-la paritum_fw-la sed_fw-la iuxta_fw-la fidem_fw-la catholicam_fw-la clauso_fw-la virgin_n utero_fw-la quasi_fw-la sponsus_fw-la svo_fw-la pocessit_fw-la ex_fw-la thalamo_fw-la ven._n beda_n in_o cap._n 2._o luc._n father_n the_o scripture_n say_v of_o our_o saviour_n the_o male-child_n open_v the_o womb_n consueto_fw-la nativitatis_fw-la more_fw-it loquor_fw-la speak_v accord_v to_o that_o which_o common_o do_v happen_v in_o the_o birth_n â—f_n such_o child_n not_o that_o we_o shall_v think_v that_o our_o lord_n in_o 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that_o teach_v scripture_n in_o some_o matter_n to_o be_v clear_a who_o deny_v this_o they_o be_v so_o to_o the_o faithful_a not_o unto_o infidel_n not_o unto_o they_o that_o be_v unsettle_a in_o the_o catholic_a faith_n yea_o many_o place_n he_o bring_v speak_v express_o only_a of_o the_o faithful_a &_o pious_a sicut_fw-la vera_fw-la religio_fw-la docet_fw-la accedunt_fw-la as_o s._n augustine_n &_o other_o by_o he_o allege_v affirm_v and_o therefore_o be_v bring_v impertinent_o to_o prove_v the_o sufficiency_n &_o clarity_n of_o scripture_n in_o respect_n of_o infidel_n pag._n 34.35.36_o many_o allegation_n of_o father_n which_o protestant_n bring_v to_o prove_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v clear_a in_o all_o substantial_a point_n be_v impertinent_a because_o the_o father_n speak_v of_o man_n aforehand_o instruct_v in_o all_o substantial_a point_n who_o may_v by_o the_o light_n of_o tradition_n easy_o discover_v they_o in_o scripture_n as_o they_o that_o hear_v aristotle_n explicate_v 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