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A28531 The second apologie to Balthazar Tylcken treating of the eternall predestination and election of God, and of the incarnation, or becoming man and person, of Christ, and concerning the Virgin Mary / written in the yeare 1621, finished the 3. of July by Jacob Behme, also called Teutonicus Philosophus ; Englished by John Sparrow.; Zweyte Schutz-Schrift wieder Balthasar Tilken. English Böhme, Jakob, 1575-1624.; Sparrow, John, 1615-1665? 1661 (1661) Wing B3416; ESTC R14771 54,352 66

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