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A27059 Two disputations of original sin I. of original sin as from Adam, II. of original sin as from our neerer parents : written long ago for a more private use, and now published (with a preface) upon the invitation of Dr. T. Tullie / by Richard Baxter. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1675 (1675) Wing B1439; ESTC R5175 104,517 242

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your Governors must be your guides And in matters of high and difficult speculation the judgment of one man of extraordinary understanding and clearness is to be preferred before both the Rulers and the major Vote And I instanced on the by Q. What is the object of Predestination or the nature of the Wills liberty of the concurse of God and determining way of Grace of the definition of Justification Faith c. supposing the saving knowledge of the thing to differ from a logical skill of defining Upon this the Learned Dr. here thus accosteth me Vnum duntaxat a me peramice Deus novit rogandus est ut serio apud Deum conscientiam suam se excuteret quo ista scripserit consilio quae occurrunt Reg. 42. Supponit inter alia quaestionem nasci de Definitione Justificationis Fidei c. nec dubito quin Imputatam quoque Christi Justitiam incluserit Quos hic adsciscendos vult duces Adverte Lector Hic inquit Theologorum pauci qui bene docti pollent judicio authoritati plurimum fo rs plurimorum suffragiis anteponendi quemadmodum vel unus aliquis cui viget oculorum aciet melius longinsque videt quam mille quibus hebescit magis Rogo inquam probe se excutiat ut secum sciamus quem quibus in doctrina justificationis anteponat quis unus ille oculatus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 qui mille myopes quem tandem status five minorennis sive precarii finem habiturae sint magnae veritates Dei ut ab hominum suffragiis aliquando pendere desinant Deusque ut cum Tertulliano loquar Deus sit Eum spero a Papismi contagione tutum immunem utinam vero diligentius apud se perponderet quam belle sua operum justitia cum Papali conveniat Certe ut mihi saltem videtur dijudicent alii Si facies non sit utrisque eadem Nec diversa tamen quadem decet esse sororum Answ Worthy Sir I accept your admonition When God is so solemnly appealed to and I that am passing quickly to his judgment am summoned so friendly to make my serious preparatory examination before him and my conscience neglect would be my aggravated sin But your call for Diligence tells me that you know me not who have little spared for labour these 37 years And I am now unfit for increased diligence 1. As to the matter of Justification I will not summon you before God or Conscience but What will the World think of your dealing to bait and that by gross misreport a small book above twenty years retracted after voluminous Animadversions in MS. from many learned men and purposely explained in a larger Book called The Confession of my Faith about Justification c. and much fullier in my Disputations about Justification with Mr. Burges Mr. Blake Mr. Tombes Mr. Warner c. and the Doctrine there vindicated and in many other Books my Apology Life of Faith c. and to take no notice of any of these Books and yet call me before God and Conscience to a diligent search If my diligence produced never so much more are you bound to take any more notice of them than you did of all these 2. How come you to know the mind of a man whom I suppose you never saw so well as to add your Nec dubito quin Imputatam Christi Justitiam incluserit Am I not fittest to tell you what I include 3. Why turn you a Logical case of Defining into a Theological de re Justitia Christi Imputata is one thing and the Definition of Justice or Imputation is another 4. Are you in good sadness desirous to know whom I mean I must think so But why did you not as earnestly ask of the rest What Rulers I mean and what people I mean c. Is it not enough to describe them unless I name them But I will tell you as much of my meaning as I know my self My meaning is that if the question be What is the signification of this or that Hebrew Arabick Syriack Persian Greek word in the Text and Versions of the Scripture or what such a proverbial speech doth signifie and so of Topography Genealogy Chronology c. one excellent Hebrician c. well seen in those studies should be believed before the majority of all the Boys Students Preachers that never understood those things Must I name them is there no remedy Why I mean such a one as Pagnine Montanus Buxtorf c. for the Hebrew such a one as Erpenius Dr. Pocock c. for the Arabick such a one as Scaliger Blondell Vsher Broughton c. for Chronology c. If it be a controversy in Geometry I would believe Dr. Wallis c. if in Anatomy Dr. Willis Dr. Lower Dr. Needham before a thousand that are therein unstudied yea if it were a Magistrate or Bishop that were of another mind In Metaphysicks I will believe or regard one Suarez Hurtado Meurisse Schiebler Dr. Barlow before a thousand that are therein ignorant in Physicks I more regard one Aristotle Scotus Honoratus Faber Campanella Mr. Boyle c. before all them that never studied them And in Logick I regard one Aristotle Ramus Dietericus Burgersdicius Hurtado c. before all that never studied Logick of what Coat or Calling soever Accordingly in Method and Defining I prefer one such Divine as Sohnius Cluto Wendeline Amesius Dud Fenner Dr. Stoughton Mr. G. Lawson c. before all those that are ignorant of Method and Definition while I prefer the happiness of many a poor woman that hath a strong Faith and cannot define it before some Doctors that can define that which they have not Thus your loud Call hath drawn out an exposition which I once thought would have been vain Sect. 46. But it may be you would know what their names are whom I take to be better Definers of Justification Faith and Imputation than all the unskilful Students or others that want their Logical and Theological sufficiency You that are an Academical Doctor should be better acquainted with the best Logicians and School-Divines than I. I once thought you had been one of them If there be no remedy I will tell you who I think have delivered us far more judicious and digested thoughts of these things both definitions distinctions and the matter it self than I find in this your Treatise namely Vinc. le Blanc Mr. Will. Bradshaw and Mr. Anth. Wotton two old Non-Conformists Placeus Amyraldus Dallaeus Testardus Conrad Johannes Bergii Lud. Crocius Mastrickt Matth. Martinius Camero Grotius Mr. Lawson Dr. Hammond Mr. John Ball Mr. Gibbons late of Black-fryers Mr. Truman in his great Propitiat c. three Non-Conformists Mr. Gataker c. I name them but as I remember them And now Sir was this a task worthy so solemn an invitation before God and Conscience and the World If I should name Mr. Hotchkis of Pardon Mr. Benj. Woodbridge and many more such