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A02456 A learned sermon handling the question of ceremonies, controuerted in our church: by Roger Hacket Doctor in Diuinitie Hacket, Roger, 1559-1621. 1605 (1605) STC 12588; ESTC S119068 22,518 70

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not I answer as Austin who beeing demanded why Paul circumcised Timothy but did not circumcise Titus although therevnto he was required that he might shewe those sacraments neither as necessarie ought to be desired neither yet as sacrilegious ought to be damned So I to them which aske the reason why some churches receiue this ceremonie others doe not surely that the faithfull of God may knowe that this ceremonie ought not to be required as absolutely necessarie nor yet to be damned as sacrilegious and naught Yet thou insistest and alleadgest as a reason of thy refusall that many good men will not weare the surples or minister baptisme with a crosse my loue towards them perswades me that many of them are good and that they doe appertaine vnto the Lord. Yet I pray thee answer are they all bad that haue conformed themselues and vse these ceremonies thy Christian charitie will not harbour such thoughts nay I am perswaded that if God should send among vs a fierie triall that as this kingdome did affoard in the daies of Queene Marie Cranmer and Ridley Hooper Latimer Bishops then varying euen in these ceremonies to giue their bodies to be burned for Gods truth so this Church would affoard many whereof some yeild to conformitie some do not which with ioynt consents would witnesse the truth that hath beene and is nowe preached amongst you with the loste of the liuelihoods and their liues Wherefore looke not alwaies so much on that which good men doth but cōsider rather whether they are in that good they doe neither let this seeme strange vnto thee that God suffereth his seruants to fall in iudgement and although they would not to see his trueth call to minde the errours of the holy fathers and why doth God this euen that all flesh as Chrysostome obserueth might giue glorie to the lord and not ascribe to the worthe of man the blessed worke of mans saluation Wherefore since the vse of the surples is meerely indifferent which the magistrate may command to be continued in the Church since it is no newe thing but auntient which a long time hath beene vsed in the Church and approoued of the fathers as seruing vnto deconci●● and ●●der since it doth not contrarie any principle of faith or any way impugne the honestie of māners although it was superstitiously abused and of some reformed Churches therfore not admitted and of some good men therefore refused let it in al obedience loue be vsed of vs for it let vs not breake the peace of our Hierusalem or trouble the Church in which we liue Yet thou saiest thou canst not for thy conscience what of the thing thou canst not that art learned be so grossely deceiued it is in his nature meerely indifferent neither good not euill for if it had beene absolutely euill the holy fathers martyrs would not haue vsed it or approoued it as lawfull in the Church of God Why then doest thou refuse it thou saiest for thy conscience what thy coscience that hast so much laboured in the word thy conscience that hast taught the magistrate commanding in things indifferent is to be obeyed No man knoweth thy conscience but thy selfe glose not with God nor with thine own soule but if thy conscience doe mis-giue thee aske of her her reasons weigh them with thy selfe in the ballance of Gods word thou knowest shee may erre and be deceiued It is no shame well to vnspeake that thou hast ill spoken or to retract with praise that thou hast fondly iustified Follow wise and wel minded Austin seeke to guid thy zeale with knowledge and in the spirit of meekenesse conferre with thy discreete and learned brother and aboue all in the humblenes of thy well meaning heart pray vnto God that he would open thy eies and teach thee his truth it may be he will shewe to thy misinformed conscience that he did to Peter that which I haue sanctified call not thou vncleane but if the Lord shall withhold this grace from thee and thou canst not in this be resolued in thy minde I may not perswade thee to sinne against thy conscience But as Paul of meates that were sacrificed to Idols so I of these although in their natures they bee cleane yet to thee that iudgest those things to be vncleane they are vncleane And yet then remember whose thou art and in all meekenes possesse thy soule and shew to vs that are contrarie minded that although thou cāst not weare this white linnen garment nor brooke the crosse required in baptisme that yet for the peace of Hierusalem which thou doest seeke thou art content to take vp Christs crosse and follow him And yet when thou hearest that they are blessed that suffer persecution remember it is added as Austin obserueth for righteousnes sake It is not the punishment but the cause that makes a martyr But it may be as some pretend they refraine from this not for conscience of the thing for they hold it indifferent nor for their conscience for of it in their minde they are well perswaded but for conscience of their weake brethren which with the vse of the surplesse are offended vnto whose waking soules thus I answer that although Christian libertie should yeild to loue that that which is lawefull to them is not alwaies expedient nay that they may not eat flesh not weare a surplesse to offend their brother yet when the magistrate commands them in the things of this nature then is their libertie restrained that which if they were free they would not doe nor indeed should with the offence of their brothen ●●●…e they are bound to doe least they should be despisers of him whome God hath set ouer them for as thy libertie must veild to loue so must thy loue and libertie to the rule of faith which requireth of thee to obey the magistrate commanding in things indifferent not onely for feare but for conscience sake At the which thy discreete carriage if thy weake brother shall be offenned it is an offence taken not giuen better it is by thy word 〈◊〉 ens●mple to lead him to the truth then by thy nice mammering to confirme him in an vntruth as Peter better to obey God then man so I better to obey thy magistrate lawfully commanding then thy brother fondly sweruing the Canons of our church thus decreeing then the fancie of some fewe●… otherwise speaking Whe●●●●… to conclude finde neither for the conscience of the thing thy conscience nor the conscience of thy weake brother thou must 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 by the command of the magistrate in things of this nature as Dauid in this 〈◊〉 so I 〈◊〉 you O●●●… and seeke for the peace of Hierusalem let them prosper that loue her Now to you my fellow labourers which haue yeilded your obedience to these outward ceremonies haue conformed your selues vnto the time seeke for the peace of Hierusalem reioyce not at