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A08533 The picture of a Puritane: or, A relation of the opinions, qualities, and practises of the Anabaptists in Germanie, and of the Puritanes in England VVherein is firmely prooued, that the Puritanes doe resemble the Anabaptists, in aboue fourescore seuerall thinges. By Oliuer Ormerod, of Emmanuel Colledge in Cambridge. Wherunto is annexed a short treatise, entituled, Puritano-papismus: or a discouerie of Puritan-papisme. Ormerod, Oliver, 1580?-1626. 1605 (1605) STC 18852; ESTC S113478 77,758 124

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catabapt but they endeauoured to the vtmost of their power to commit the quite contrary that so they might crosse the Magistrate The Englishman That which you say was the custome of your Anabaptists hath beene the custome of Heretickes and Scismatickes in all ages The Eunomian Heretickes in dishonor of the blessed Trinitie brought in the laying on of water in baptisme but once to crosse the custom of the church which did it thrice other Heretickes which held the T●initie to bee three distinct not Persons but natures abused the cereremonie of three times laying on of water to the strengthning of their Heresie and to the crossing of the custome of the Church in their times The selfe same thing hath beene practised by our Scismatickes for some of them haue sent their Seruants to the Plough and Cart vpon the verye f●ast of the Natiuitie of Christ to crosse the custome of our Church which keepeth it holy Others as the reuerend Fathers in Oxford were credibly informed did b Oxfords answere to the Peti●ion spend the fift of August last in fasting to crosse that authoritie which cōmaunded them to celebrate it with ioy and thankefulnes for his Maiesties moste strange and wonderfull deliuerance from the conspira●ie of the Earle of Gowrie c King vpon I●nas ●ect 36. And I heard of a nation of m●n saith Doctor King when their King had intended a feast for the honour of his country they on the contrary side proclaimed a Fast as if God had sent them an Embassador of the last iudgement And I know a societie of men who in the time of Lent were wont to eate Flesh-meate seauen daies in the weeke though out of Lent but fiue daies I thinke they did it for no other end but onely to crosse the authoritie of that power which inioyneth vs to abstaine from Flesh-meate at that season of the yeare Thus doe they behaue themselues much like them vnto whome it was said by Christ in the behalfe of all painefull Apostles and Ministers Wee haue piped to you and ye haue not daunced wee haue mourned to you ye haue not wept To conclude they will euer be in an extreame for when we Feast they will Fast when wee Fast they will Feast But tell mee Sir did they not also speake euill of them that were in authoritie The Germaine The 16. sēblance YEs they did as Zuinglius reporteth speake euill of the a Zuinglius in ●lencho contra Anabap. ciuill Magistrate if at any time heere prooued thē then they straight way said that therefore hee was an enemie vnto them because they did tell him of his faults The Englishman Your Anabaptists come far short of our Sectaries in this point for many of them haue reposed a great part of their Christian profession zeale in the reproaching and odious traducing of them that are in authoritie h Exhortat to England Page 92. They haue exhorted the common people to repute those Princes that liue not vnder the Yoake of the pretended holy Discipline for Gods enemies c 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Page 39. They haue informed them That all Kinges and Princes are naturally enemies to the liberties of the Church Yea they made complaint to his Highnesse that our late Soueraigne made their yoake greeuous that she had laide vpon them an heauie burden of humaine rites and ceremonies They haue depraued and slaundered not onely the Communiō Booke but the whole estate of the Church as it was reformed by her Maiestie Yea in her Highnes life time the state of this Church of England was so depraued beyond the Seas by these our disciplinairians as that it hath beene conceiued by Godly men in forraigne Countries that we haue a Gualther episcop● Eliens Anno. 1574. No lawes no good orders no discipline but that euery mā may doe what he list But I pray you tel me were not your Anabaptists punished for these their vile attempts The Germaine The 17. sēblance YEs but they greatly compla●ned that b Bulling aduers Anabapt Fol. 11. nothing was vsed but violence The Englishman So haue our Secta●ies also complained to the Kinges Maiesty that c Petition exhibited to the Kings Maiesty they haue beene suspended silenced disgraced and imprisoned for mens traditions The Germaine Well let vs leaue this their impugning of the Magistracie come to their oppugning of the Ministerie And let vs beginne with the Vniuersities because they are the ordinarie meanes to maintaine the Ministerie The Englishman With the Vniuersities why I hope they did not oppose themselues against the fountaines and Wel-springs of good learning The Germaine The 18. sēblance YEs d The Author of the Suruey cap. 26. your owne writers can te●l you that they wrote very scornefully against the Vniuersitie degrees The Englishman And to tell you the truth so did our Sectaries too e These words I found in a Manu-script of theirs Doctors in Theologie say they is vnlawfull It is mans ordinance without t●●●ord of God it cannot be taken without an idle oath it is offenciue to the Church of God it is a matter of distinction of the mindes of the Ministers it is one of the swelling titles forbiddin to Ministers it is a Relique of Rome as are Priestes Deacons Archbishoppes it is in regard of the forme thereof a manifest abuse of Gods ordinance of his Ministers after an apish manner giuing authoritie of preaching it is an idle name to bee called Doctors except they haue Schollers and doe teach them c. But what neede I produce their Manu-scripts It is a See their addition to the first part of the Admon and T. C. Lib. 2. page 2● apparent enough in their Bookes extant that they mislike the degrees of Doctors and Batchelors in Diuinitie The Germaine The 19. sēblance YEa but our Sectaries misliked not onely degrees in the Vniuersitie but in the Ministerie also For the proofe hereof I refer you to the expresse words of b Gerlach in Hyper. Dan. Page 3. Gerlachius a learned mā of Tubing Li●et saith he titulos c. Although thou beholdest with disdaine as it were from aboue the titles orders after the fashion of the Hypocrites Anabaptists yet with a vaine perswasion of knowledge foolish arrogancie whereby thou contemnest our Country-men in respect of thy selfe and doost challenge especiall knowledge to thee and thy fellowes onely Plus turg●s quam omnes Doctores et Superintendentes nostri Thou swellest more with pride then all our Doctors and Superintendents And what commeth into thy minde that thou shouldest cauill at the degrees of Ministers as though it were not lawfull to ordaine such degrees for the building gouernment of the Church Did not God himselfe in the olde Testament appoint cheefe Priestes and Leuites and in the New Testament gaue hee not some Apostles some Euangelistes and some Pastors and Doctors You see heere that the Anabaptists