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A57666	The new planet no planet, or, The earth no wandring star, except in the wandring heads of Galileans here out of the principles of divinity, philosophy, astronomy, reason, and sense, the earth's immobility is asserted : the true sense of Scripture in this point, cleared : the fathers and philosophers vindicated : divers theologicall and philosophicall points handled, and Copernicus his opinion, as erroneous, ridiculous, and impious, fully refuted / by Alexander Rosse ; in answer to a discourse, that the earth may be a planet.	Ross, Alexander, 1591-1654.	1646 (1646)	Wing R1970; ESTC R3474	118,883	127

bringing forth and vipera quasi vi pari●ns But we will shake off this viper from our pen as Saint Paul did that viper in Malta from his hand and if your viper hath bit us let us see if your aspe for so naturalists doe write will cure us 9. The aspe which you translate the adder stops his eares saith the Psalmist against the voyce of the charmer This you say is fabulous if we may beleeve many naturalists yet the holy Ghost alludes to it because it was the generall opinion of those dayes Answ. You are a great Antiquary for you know the common opinions that were in Davids dayes and you tell us not out of what records or manuscripts you have this but indeed I will not beleeve you nor your many naturalists whom you should have named and shewed us their reasons why they think this to be fabulous 2. You will not I think hold inchanting of Serpents to be fabulous except you will as you use to doe contradict both sacred and profane ancient and recent stories 3. Nor will you deny that there is great cunning and prudence in Serpents to avoid dangers and to preserve themselves our Saviour will have us to learne wisdome of them why then may not the aspe naturally have this piece of policie to stop his eare 4. Though there were no such naturall policie in the Serpent yet may he not be taught by inchanters to do so You shal read in stories of stranger matters done by Serpents if you will reade Irenaeus Austin and Epiphanius of heresies you shall finde how that sect of the Valentinians or Gnostickes called from worshipping of the Serpents Ophits did teame and teach their Serpents to come out of their holes or boxes where they were kept to crawle on their altars eo licke their oblations to wrap themselves about their eucharist and so returne to their holes the like is recorded by Virgil of a Serpent on the altar which AEntas erected on his fathers tombe Tandem inter pateras levia pocula Serpent Libavitque dapes c. I will not speake of Olympias her Serpent and of many others 5. May not Satan who hath still abused the Serpent to superstition cause the aspe stop his eares when he is inchanted Is it a more incredible thing for an aspe to stop his eare then for a Serpent to speake and discourse as he did to Eva. I could tell you strange stories of the Serpent Epidaurius at Rome of that Serpent that barked at the ejection of Tarquinius and of others recorded by grave Historians which I will not account fabulous though you perhaps will because I know that Satan by permission can doe strange things 6. It is manifest that beasts birds and fishes are diversly affected with joy fear courage anger c. according to the qualitie of the sound which they heare why then should the relation of the aspe stopping his care be accounted so incredible It may be as naturall for him to stop his eare at an ungratefull sound as for other creatures to run away from it 7. Though men have but small knowledge of this yet as St. Austin saith the Spirit of God knowes better then all men do who had not recorded this had it not been true so that what is by men accounted an opinion in Scripture it is truth saith the same Father by all this you may see that the holy Ghost speaketh not according to mens opinions but according to truth and though you should erect your two Serpents over your dore as the Gentiles used to doe over their temples yet they will not priviledge your opinion 10. The North winde which the Scripture calleth cold and drie the Southwinde which is hot and moist are phrases as you say which doe not containe any absolute generall truth for though the North-winde to us on this side of the line be cold and dry yet to those beyond the other tropicke it is hot and moist Answ. There is no absolute generall truth in most of the sublunarie works of nature for they are subject to much change and especially the windes which are the emblemes of unconstancy So that even here in this Island I have known northern windes warme and moist and southerne cold and dry and if you read Acosta he will tell you that ordinarily beyond the line the North-winde is cold and dry as it is in this side and not hot and moist as you say though it blow from the line The windes doe vary according to the climate they blow through and yet they keep not the same tenure still in the same climate the North-winde is ordinarily cold and dry in that climate where these Scriptures of Iob and Proverbs were penned and the Scripture speaketh onely of that climate and yet if you will beleeve Acosta's owne experience these Scriptures are true also of the North-winde beyond the line But what will you inferre upon this marry that this proposition the earth is immoveable containes not a generall truth because the North-winde is not generally cold and drie as if you would say this proposition the sea ebbes and flowes containes not a generall truth ergo this proposition man is a reasonable creature is not generally true who will not laugh petulants splene to heare such Logick But you give a reason why this phrase of the coldnesse and drinesse of the North-winde is not generally true because in some places it is hot and moist prove unto us that the earth in some places moves circularly and then we will yeeld that this phrase of the earths immobility is not generally true 2. These Scriptures which you alledge for the coldnesse of the North-wind may be diversly understood for Iob 37.9 there is mention made of dispersers or scatterers but not of the North-wind and this quality is in every wind to disperse the clouds as well as to bring them In the Pro. 25. 23. it is said that the North-winde bringeth forth raine for so the Hebrew word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifieth as well as to drive away and so Iunius and Tremelius translate it gignit and instead of Aquilo they have Caecias which is the North-East-winde though some think it to be the North-West so the seaventy Translatours have 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to excite and stirre up so Iob 37. 21. where some translate faire weather in Hebrew Greeke and in the old Latine Translation it is Gold cometh out of the North. Thus upon tottering and uncertaine foundations you raise the structure of your wilde phantasies 11. The darkning of the Sunne the turning of the Moone into bloud and the falling of the Stars will not help you for these are not naturall effects but miraculous workes of God to be done afore Christ second coming and to say that these things shall be but in shew or appearance is to make us thinke that God will affright the world as we doe little children with hobgoblins How will the

nine arguments which I urged in one Chapter against your opinion but because I proceed say you with such scorne and triumph you will examine my boastings You doe wisely like the Romans who that their Generals might not be puffed up with the glory of their triumphs caused some to walke along by their chariots using upbraiding words the like doe you calling my arguments cavills not worth the naming yet you are pleased to name them to shew doubtlesse their weaknesse and your wit My first cavill as you call it is this If the earth move it will be hotter then the water because motion is the cause of heat but that the earth should be hotter then water is repugnant to that principall in naturall Philosophie which affirmes the earth to be colder besides the water would never freeze if it were moved as swiftly as the earth This argument because you cannot answer you picke as you thinke a contradiction out of it which is this The earth by motion is hotter then the water and yet the water moves along with it which water is made warme also by motion that it is not capable of congelation Answ. Is this a contradiction thinke you the earth is hotter then the water and yet the water is hot too the fire is hotter then the aire and yet the aire is hot too who ever heard that the degrees of comparison make a contradiction I should not contradict my selfe if I should say Keplar was a cold disputant but you are a colder 2. Though I say that the water moveth along with the earth yet the earth may be hotter then the water without any contradiction for of two bodies moving together one may be hotter then the other especially if they be of different natures who knowes not that drie and solid bodies such as the earth is are more capable intensively of heate then thin and moist bodies such as the water is 3. Though the earth water and aire next to it be not severed one from another yet they are made hot by such a violent motion when you runne your cloathes skin flesh bloud c. are not severed one from the other and yet your motion makes them all hot 4. If motion in fluid bodies were the cause of coldnesse as you say some do think then it would follow that the more you move your bloud should be the colder Scaliger shewes that they who water their horses being hot use to stirre the water violently that it may be brought to a warme temper that the horses may drinke without danger 5. I deny that all running waters are the coldest neither are they the colder because they run but because the meet still with fresh aire so shall you in a cold day if you rise to walke be colder for a while then when you sit still not because you walke for that in time will warme you but because you meet with fresh aire vvhich you did not vvhilest you sate neither is there yet so much heat in you as to abate the sense of the cold aire till your motion have caused it 6. I deny that the strongest windes are still the coldest though they blow from the same coast at the same time of the year for I have observed that in one February a gentle easterly vvind hath brought snovv and the next February a strong East vvinde hath brought raine 7. If rest be the cause that in cold vveather vvater doth freeze then all vvaters that rest vvould freeze and no running vvaters vvould freeze but this is false for some vvaters resting doe not freeze and sometimes running vvaters doe freeze vvhen the motion is not so strong as to stirre up the heat therefore it remaines that the heat caused by the motion and not the motion it selfe is the hinderance of the waters freezing 8. If this motion were true that the earth runnes foure miles in a minute the heat of the aire would be more then moderate even in winter you could not indure the heat of it we should need no fire to warme us wood would be cheap enough 2. My second argument was this If the earth did move the aire then the aire which is next to the earth would be purer as being more rarified but the contrary is true for the higher the aire is the purer it is You answer never a word to this argument which shewes you assent Qui tacet consentire videiur 3. My third argument If the earth did move the aire it would cause a sound but this is no more audible then the Pythagoricall harmony of heaven You answer That there is no reason why this motion should cause a sound more then the supposed motion of the heavens But I say there is a great deale of reason for if any solid body be it never so small though an arrow bullet or wand moving the air cause a sound will not the vast body of the earth turning the aire with that violence cause a hideous noise which would make us all deafe now there is no reason why the motion of the heavens should make any sound for neither are they solid bodies themselves nor doe they move or encounter any solid body nor is there any aire in heaven which things are required to make a sound 4. I argued that nature had in vaine endowed the heavens with all conditions requisite for motion if they were not to move for they have a round figure they have neither gravity nor levity they are incorruptible and they have no contrary This you say will prove the earth to move as well as the heavens For that hath a round figure it is not heavy in its proper place and being considered as whole the other two conditions you reject as being untrue and not conducing to motion Answ. Though I should grant you that the earth were round yet it is not so exactly round and smooth as the heaven for it hath many mountaines and vallies and some hills higher some lower is a globe or boule that hath knobs and dents in it so fit for motion as that which is smooth and equally round 2. I have shewed already the folly of that conceit which holdeth the whole earth not to be heavy in it s own place as if the elements must loose their essentiall properties being in their own places whereas it is the place that preserveth the propertiese and essenc of things Have the fire and aire lost their levity because they are in their own places and is it not absurd to say as I have already shewed that there should be weight in a part of any thing and not in the whole as if a piece of an yron bullet were heavie but not the whole bullet you were as good say that totum non est majus suâ parte 3. Whereas you say that the heavens are corruptible you may say also that they are generable and so being subject to generation and corruption they are of the same nature with sublunary bodies and must

this you have not as yet proved neither will you be ever able to prove The earth indeed is a mother but as senslesse and stupid as Niobe who would suffer her children to starve with cold if that heavenly fire did not move about her As for your instance of a Watch-maker I will use it in your owne words but to our purpose If a wise Watch-maker will not put any superfluous motion in his instrument shall we not thinke that nature is as provident as any ordinary mechanicke Therefore doubtlesse it had been superfluous for the earth to move And whereas you say That the motion of the starres is full of confusion and uncertainties That is true in respect of your ignorance there is an heavenly order and harmony amongst them the confusion is in your head and the uncertainty in your knowledge 7. You say That motion is most agreeable to that which in kinde and properties is neerest to the bodies that are moved But this I say is false for an immoveable body is not made capable of motion because it is neere in some properties to the body that is moved A rocke and a mill-stone which perhaps was taken out of the same rocke agree in kinde and properties will it therefore follow that because the mill-stone moves round the rocke also moves round The sea-water and well-water agree in kinde and properties doth the well-water therefore ebbe and flow But your drift is to shew That the earth moveth with the six Planets because both Earth and Planets have a borrowed light whereas the Sunne and fixed Stars have it of their own Answ. A goodly reason the earth must move as well as the sixe Planets because it hath a borrowed light as well as they as if you would say Saturne and the Moone have a borrowed light therefore they have the same motion and bignesse or thus the Planets have a borrowed light as well as the earth therefore they rest or be as heavie as the earth but what if I should say the Planets have some light of their owne as may be seen by the Moone which the earth hath not and therefore they agree not in this property of light and consequently the earth moveth not as they doe But when you say the fixed stars have light of their owne you speake at randome for you can shew no reason of this conceit why the fixed starres should have light of their owne and not the Planets or why the Planets borrow light and not the fixed stars Againe you thinke That the Sunne and Stars should rest because they are of a more excellent nature As if motion did belong to the ignoblest creatures we know the contrary Man is a more noble creature then a rocke yet man moveth and the rocke is immoveable The heart in our bodies is more noble then the guts yet that moveth they move not Is the body of man lesse excellent when it is moved by the soule then when it is at rest putrifying in the grave When water rests from its motion it loseth its excellencie and stinketh therefore motion in many things is more noble then rest as for the rest which you say is ascribed to God that is not to our purpose for it is transcendent and hyperphysicall and as God is said to rest so he is said to move therefore called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 But why you should thinke the fixed Starres of a more excellent nature then the Planets I know not neither can you give any reason for it 8. Aristotle you say tels us that the time of the revolution of each orbe should be proportionable to its bignesse which can only be you thinke By making the earth a Planet I answer that of two evills the lesse is to be chosen and better it is that there should be some disproportion between the bignesse of the orbes and the time of their motion then that the earth should move 2. You cannot exactly tell what disproportion there is in their motions till first you finde out the true knowledge of their magnitudes That the Comets which move in the aire are not moved by the heavens but by the earth you prove Because the concave superficies of the Moone is thought to be smooth so that the meere touch of it cannot turne about the fire with a motion not naturall to it nor can the subtle fire move the thicker aire nor this the waters Answ. How the upper spheares move the lower is neither knowne to you nor me but by conjectures 2. I have already shewed that one smooth body by its touch may move another as the winde moves the clouds so in the Northerne seas one mountaine of ice which is smooth moves the other forward 3. The subtiltie and puritie of the fire is no hinderance to its moving of the thicker aire for doe not our animall spirits which are pure and subtle and yet materiall move our grosse bodies Doth not the winde move grosse substances 4. That the aire doth not move the water is repugnant to experience for within the Tropickes the sea is continually moved from East to West by the aire and this by the heaven as I have shewed elsewhere 5. That the circular motion of the fire is not naturall is false for though this motion proceed not from an inward principle as the straight motion doth yet it is naturall because the nature of the fire is preserved by it for the fire never gives off moving upward till it begin to move circularly and then is it in its chiefe perfection when it hath attained this motion Lansbergius you say concludes that the earth is easily moveable from the words of Archimedes who said that he could move the earth if he knew where to stand and fasten his instrument it is a foolish conclusion for so he might as well conclude that armed men may arise out of the ground because Pompey said that if he did but stampe with his foot the ground would yeeld him armed men So because Medaea said Ego inter auras aliti curru vebar That shee would flie in the aire in a chariot drawne by dragons that therefore shee could doe as shee said this is to play the Poet. 9. The opinion of Intelligences by which the heavens are moved you say hath its originall from Aristotle's mistake who held the heavens to be eternall I answer that Aristotle was mistaken in holding the heavens to be eternall à priori but I deny that there is any errour in holding them to be eternall à posteriori in respect of their substance 2. Aristotle might have held the opinion of Intelligences without holding the heavens to be eternall for the eternity of the mover doth not necessarily inferre the eternity of the thing moved God is eternall so is not the world our soules are eternall so are not our bodies 3. You prove That Intelligences are superfluous because a naturall power intrinsecall to these bodies will serve the turne as well So you might