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An ansvver to a popish pamphlet called the touch-stone of the reformed gospell. made speciallie out of themselves. By William Guild, D.D. and preacher of Gods word.
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Guild, William, 1586-1657.
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Wing G2202; ESTC R221580
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cusanus_fw-la thomas_n aquinas_n cardinal_n cajetan_n ruardus_n tapperus_n joannes_n hesselius_n affirm_v and_o cornelius_n jansenius_n especial_o concord_n cap._n 59_o unanswerablie_o prove_v p._n 387._o &_o 389._o that_o this_o chapter_n meddle_v nowise_o with_o any_o sacramental_a eat_n of_o christ_n body_n or_o drink_v his_o blood_n 2._o this_o text_n make_v rather_o against_o transubstantion_n for_o though_o christ_n say_v i_o be_o the_o live_a bread_n yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o therefore_o his_o flesh_n be_v transsubstantiate_v into_o bread_n &_o consequent_o no_o more_o do_v it_o follow_v that_o when_o christ_n say_v of_o the_o bread_n this_o be_v my_o body_n that_o therefore_o bread_n be_v transsubstantiate_v into_o his_o body_n the_o four_o and_o main_a place_n be_v math._n 26._o 26._o take_v eat_v this_o be_v my_o body_n to_o which_o i_o answer_v