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that_o be_v a_o part_n rei_fw-la which_o i_o once_o more_o say_v be_v impossible_a for_o as_o your_o sacramental_a presence_n in_o your_o sense_n be_v a_o word_n no_o man_n vnderstand'_v so_o your_o doctrine_n be_v as_o whole_o unintelligible_a yet_o i_o have_v not_o say_v all_o in_o this_o your_o discourse_n of_o a_o sacramental_a and_o real_a presence_n you_o will_v fain_o take_v some_o advantage_n against_o we_o by_o other_o word_n of_o s._n cyril_n do_v not_o consider_v they_o as_o mere_a bread_n and_o wine_n for_o they_o be_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o cyril_n no_o advantage_n give_v sectary_n by_o any_o other_o word_n of_o s._n cyril_n christ_n according_a to_o his_o own_o word_n hence_o you_o infer_v it_o be_v plain_a he_o speak_v of_o a_o sacramental_a presence_n for_o he_o do_v not_o oppose_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n to_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n but_o to_o mere_a bread_n id_fw-la est_fw-la that_o they_o shall_v not_o look_v on_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n as_o naked_a sign_n but_o as_o signa_fw-la efficacia_fw-la or_o efficacious_a sign_n answ_n first_o the_o saint_n have_v not_o a_o syllable_n of_o either_o sign_n or_o signae_fw-la efficacia_fw-la next_o your_o speculation_n about_o mere_a bread_n be_v a_o mere_a nothing_o for_o mere_a bread_n be_v bread_n without_o consecration_n s._n cyril_n oppose_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n present_a to_o mere_a bread_n ergo_fw-la he_o oppose_v they_o to_o bread_n without_o consecration_n but_o bread_n without_o consecration_n or_o mere_a bread_n be_v the_o very_a substance_n of_o bread_n therefore_o he_o oppose_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n present_a to_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n unless_o you_o can_v find_v the_o meerness_n might_n one_o speak_v so_o or_o nakedness_n of_o bread_n distinct_a from_o its_o substance_n which_o be_v not_o only_o improbable_a but_o impossible_a 17._o upon_o this_o solid_a and_o undeniable_a ground_n it_o import_v your_o word_n a_o mere_a quibble_n about_o a_o word_n cause_n nothing_o whether_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o s._n cyril_n signify_v species_n as_o it_o be_v common_o render_v by_o interpreter_n or_o as_o you_o say_v that_o which_o do_v figure_n or_o represent_v for_o as_o long_o as_o this_o verity_n stand_v undoubted_a that_o under_o the_o type_n or_o species_n of_o bread_n christ_n give_v his_o own_o body_n and_o that_o that_o body_n be_v oppose_v to_o the_o very_a substance_n of_o bread_n the_o expression_n be_v so_o clear_a and_o the_o same_o with_o our_o catholic_n doctrine_n that_o be_v à _fw-fr hundred_o gloss_n more_o lay_v upon_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o will_v not_o do_v nor_o rack_v it_o to_o any_o contrary_a meaning_n you_o reply_v s._n cyril_n speak_v of_o such_o à _fw-fr presence_n as_o have_v relation_n