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nature_n	bread_n	remain_v	substance_n	8,998	5	9.2009	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A18831	The old vvaye A sermon preached at Oxford, the eight day of Iuly, being the Act Sunday. 1610. By Robert Abbott ...	Abbot, Robert, 1560-1618.	1610 (1610)	STC 53; ESTC S100540	35,346	72

therefore did so speake as if in good earnest he had not so spoken We bring Agatho Bishop of Rome professing himselfe in expresse wordes p Agath Epist Synod 6 Constantinop act 4 Pro obedientia quam debuimꝰ vt personas c. Pro obedientiae satisfactione inqu●rere Nostra pusillitas quod ●ussum est obsequenter impleuit to owe obedience to the Emperour to be carefull to giue satisfaction of his obedience to performe obediently the Emperours commaundement Doct. BISHOP forsooth answereth that q Reproofe p. 170. 181. these are but common and vsuall words of courtesie vttered of custome and courtesie in all Countries VVe alleadge Chrysostome saying that n Chrysost Op impers in Mat. hom 11. Haec vasa sanctificata in quibus non est verum corpus Christi sed mysteri●m corporis e●us cont●etur in the sacred vessels there is not the very true body of Christ but the mystery of his body Bellarmine answereth that o Bellarm. de Sacram. Euchar c. ●2 Ab aliquo Beregarij discipulo inserta illi homiliae esse videntur these words seeme to be foisted in by some Scholer of Berengarius whereas they themselues haue alwayes so printed the words vnto vs out of their own Libraries although they say in generall that p Edit venet ●584 in marg ●oci Haec in quibu●da exemplaribus desunt the wordes are wanting in some copies yet lest they should be taken in a lie doe not name in particular any one copie where they are otherwise neyther hath any such thing beene obserued by them who did formerly publish the same worke As for that which he addeth that q Bellarm. vt supra Ad rem non faciunt nam loquebatur author homiliae devasis sacris templi Salomonis the words are nothing to the purpose because they are spoken of the vessels of the Temple of Salomon which Balthasar abused and was therefore punished it is a very senselesse and wilfull shift because he himselfe confesseth that r Ibid. In illis vasis non solum non crat verum corpus Domini sed nec mysterium eius in those vessels there was no mystery of Christs body at all because Chrysostom saith not those vessels but these nor wherein was but wherein is conteyned speaking in the present tense as of the vessels which they had then in vse because it had beene ridiculous to warne his hearers of a danger in abusing the vessels of the Temple of Ierusalem which they had not to abuse and doth no otherwise speake of Balthasar but as bringing a particular example for proofe of a generall Doctrine that by the punishment of Balthasar for abusing the vessels of the Temple of Ierusalem we are taught how dangerous it is prophanely to defile vessels of sacred vse as namely the vessels of our Christian Churches wherein yet is not the very body of Christ but only the mystery of his body But to strengthen this assertion of Chrysostome wee alleadge Gelasius Bishop of Rome affirming that ſ the Sacraments which we receiue of the body and blood of Christ are a diuine thing and we are thereby made partakers of the diuine nature and yet saith he there ceaseth not to be the substance or nature of Bread and Wine Which wordes as they astonished t Chemnic in Exam. Concil Trident. de Transubstant Cardinall Contarenus in the conference at Ratisbone so Bellarmine also is amazed at them and though he tooke vpon him u Bellarm. de Sacram. Euchar cap. 27. to aunswere them as well as he could yet durst not set them downe The matter is plaine by the testimony of a Bishop of Rome that there ceaseth not in the Sacrament to be the substance or nature of Bread and Wine And what will they say to it x Bellarm. ibid Melch. Canus loc com lib. 6. cap. 8. Sometimes forsooth the Authour of the booke was not Gelasius Bishop of Rome but another Gelasius Bishop of Cesarea in Palestina who was more auncient then he of Rome And yet y Bibhoth sanct patrum Tom 4. Pa●is ●●89 they themselues as they haue found it so haue alwaies printed it and doe vnder the name of Gelasius Bishop of Rome and the Tract being written in Latine is not likely to be written by Gelasius Bishop of Cesarea who being of the Greeke Church did vndoubtedly write what hee wrote in the Greeke tongue But it hath receiued credite as the worke of a renowmed Authour of that name and in all likelihood of Gelasius Bishop of Rome by y Ioan. 1. Epist aduer Eutychian Biblioth sanct Pat. tom 4. 1589. being cyted by a Bishop of Rome Iohn the first who was the fourth that succeeded after the same Gelasius Therefore Gregory de Valentia seeing little boote in that answer sticketh not to say both concerning Theodoret and Gelasius that z Greg. de Val. de Transubst cap. 8. Antequā quaestio illa de transubstantiatione in Ecclesia palam agitaretur minime mirum est si ●nus aut al●er aut etiam aliqui ex vetcribus minus consideratè recte hac dere senserint scripserint before the question of transubstantiation was debated in the Church it is no maruelif one or some of the ancient Writers did both thinke and write vnaduisedly and amisse concerning this matter And againe If a Idem Apolog de Idolol l 3. c. 5. Si maxime Gelasius tanquam Dector aliquis nihil vt Pontifex determinans vnus item aut alter ex Patr bus hac ●●re lapsus errore fuisset ●abemus c●rte nubem aliorum testium Gelasius as a priuate Doctor not as Pope to determine and some one or other of the Fathers haue erred herein yet we haue for vs a cloude of witnesses So then Gelasius in priuate said the same that wee doe and was minded as we are that there ceaseth not in the Sacrament to bee the substance of Bread and Wine but he erred therein and if he had set him downe in his Consistory Chaire O absurd mockery he would have been of another spirit and haue spoken as the Papists speake whereas notwithstanding he wrote these words in a dogmaticall tract against the two Heresies of Nestorius and Eutyches and therefore must be taken definitiuely to resolue against that which is now taught in the Church of Rome Not so saith Doct. Bishop for though the worst come to the worst yet b Doct. Bishop Reproofe p. ●62 the sentence may haue a good meaning and may stand well with our doctrine for the nature of bread doth not wholly cease to be in the Sacrament because the forme sauor and tast of bread doe still remaine though the whole inward substance be turned into the body of Christ Marke this well I pray you there ceaseth not to be the substance of bread that is there ceaseth not to be the accidents of bread the forme sauor and taste of bread