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A13964	The trial of trueth or a treatise vvherein is declared vvho should be iudge betvvene the Reformed Churches, and the Romish in which is shewed, that neither Pope, nor Councels, nor Fathers, nor traditions, nor succession, nor consent, nor antiquitie of custome: but the onely written worde of God, ought to determine the controuersies of religio[n]: wherin also is declared which is the true religion, and Catholick church. Written for the pleasure of the Popes, Cardinalles, prelates, abbots, monkes: and speciallie the Iesuites, which of late were driuen out of Transyluania, by the states there. Published in Latine by a certaine Hungarian, a fauourer of the trueth: and translated into English by Richard Smith.; Oratio de constituendo iudice controversiorum religionis. English.	Smith, Richard, tr.	1591 (1591)	STC 24274; ESTC S100745	49,352	68

bread and wine in the Sacrament doth so remaine and not ceasse as there remaineth in Christ the Lord the nature of man ioyned to the diuine nature Augustine saith that it is rashnesse without plaine and manifest testimonies of the Scriptures to determine on either side matters of Rellgion that are doubtfull Calixtus deliuered the Sacrament to the whole church kept backe notorious wicked persons from it and condemned those which being present did not communicate Cyprian saith that the Christian people were not to be denyed the bloud of their Lord for the confessing of whom they were commaunded to shed their owne bloud Apollo amongest other herestes obrayded Montanus with this that he was the first that had prescribed the people lawes of fasting Paphnutius denied that y e Ministers of the church were to be forbidden mariage And auouched that the mutuall performance of mariage dueties betwéene man and wife was chastitie Cyprian sayd that onely Christ was to bee heard of whom it was said heare him and that it was not to be reregarded what others before vs haue either saide or doone but what Christ who was before all hath commaunded Augustine stoutly maintaineth that the Church ought not to prefer her selfe before Christ because he alwaies iudgeth truely but the Iudges of the Church as being men are oftentimes mistaken Ambrose saide that holy things néeded not golde neither were those things acceptable by meanes of gold which wree not bought with golde Acatius said that our God did neither eat nor drink and that therfore he néeded not cuppes or bowles Spiridion saide that he did therefore fréelye eate fleshe on that day wherin others did abstaine because he was a Christian Augustine saide that it was not lawfull for Monkes to liue at other mens cost although they were dayly occupied in meditations praiers and studies Epiphanius said that it was a horrible abhomination to sée the Image either of Christ or any other painted in the Churches of Christians These and other such bounds of the auncient Fathers sith the Sée of Rome her selfe hath ouer●strided by what right she maye enioyne others to keepe that which she her selfe neglecteth to doo all men may easily iudge Sith therfore neither the Popes neither the councels nor the Fathers can end this dissention is there any at last I pray you vnto whose iudgement we must stand Are they Traditions that must strike the stroke Why by the name of Traditions they must either vnderstand ceremonies or doctrines and as for ceremonies although they be auntient yet if they be either hurtfull or néedlesse and superfluous or repugnant to the woord of God or haue been abrogated at a certain time they are not to be suffered For the Lord giueth expresse commaundement that men woorship him not with doctrines deuised by mens braines and as for the traditions that are doctrinall they must either containe in them the written word of God it selfe Créedes and expositions gathered by necessary collection out of the foundations of the scriptures against Heretickes or else those things which either directly or indirectly are either put to or taken from the word of God If you meane the former who will not receyue such traditions If the later who may not without any breach of Godlines reiect them And how much Traditions doe auaile to appease and ceasse the contentions of the Church olde Stories doe plainly shew For when as in the most auncient times there arose a sturre in the Church concerning the feast of Easter with so great a doo that the whole world was shaken therewith both sides had recourse to the traditions of the Apostles which are not expressed in any certain Booke But when each side alleadged that they kepte the feaste of Easter on that time which was appointed by tradition of the Apostles the matter grew to this passe in the end that there was a flat fréedome for the Church in all such manner of matters vntill tiranny preuailed Loe what force traditions haue to determine the controuersies of Religion Will miracles then make manifest which is the better cause or the Catholick church Why the vse of miracles is now ceased For there is not now any new Eospell or new doctrine broached but that which Christ and the Apostles haue already confirmed with miracles and wonders Againe we doe not reade that all those that restored and as it were reformed Religion were famous for their myracles In the which number Iohn Baptist Asaph Ethan Iedithun Heman Core and other Prophets are to be reckonned Moreouer except the gift of miracles be lefte to the wise disposition of God they cannot confirme any doctrine For it is manifest that the miracles of Christ which otherwise were full of power did either nothing at all or very litle further the obstinate Iewes to faith and Godly nesse Finally how could miracles be necessarie signes of true Religion of themselues when as it is manifest that Antichrist and false Prophets shall excell with many miracles wherefore those miracle-mongers ought themselues to be taken for miracles and wounders who when the date and vse of miracles is past doe yet require miracles although the true doctrine is not euen at this day altogether destitude of great miracles What then can the perpetuall and continuall succession of the Bishops of Rome serue to discerne betwéene true and false Religion Surely no man will deny that there is one succession of true doctrine and another of persons wherefore if the succession of Persons be ioyned with the succession of the Prophets and Apostles doctrine it is manifest doublesse that the weight thereof is not small For in this sense the Fathers did alleage succession against the Hereticks For he that professeth the same doctrine saith Nezianzen is partaker of the same chaire also but hee that holdeth a contrarie doctrine ought not to bee counted a Successour and truely this later hath the name in déede but that former hath the trueth of succession Except perhaps a man call it succession in that sence that we say sicknesse succéedeth health light darknesse a storme fayre weather madnesse reason dregges wine and in a word Nero Augustus or Cambyses Cyrus Sith therfore the succession of the Prophets and Apostles doctrine was broken off long agoe in the popish Church surely the ordinarie continuance of Pope after Pope is of no force to shew which is the true religion But it may be they will demaund of the Gospellers the time and person wherein the succession of doctrine was altered Unto this the Gospellers answere that the Popes of Rome are to be distinguished into thrée especiall rankes or companies For they deny not that from Linus to Milchiades there were one and thirtie true Pastours of them in number who laboured in the Lords haruest euen vnto martirdome and therefore may well be called Starres in the right hand of

from thence to Florence whereas although Iohn Palaeologus the Emperour of the Grecians vpon hope of succour against the Turkes and the Russians also did promise obedience to y e Sée of Rome yet notwithstanding afterwards when they were returned whome the rest for good causes would not agrée to them there could be no peace concluded with the Pope At length also Iulius the second called a councel at Laterane and Paule the third at Trent in the which because they procéeded not according to the rules prescribed in the worde of God therefore the Gospellers affirme that they are not bound to their decrées By all which it appeareth what manner of councels haue béene kept in these later hundred yeares For as for the contrarietie of councels it is the easiest matter of a thousand to shew it For the councel of Chalcedon condemned Eutiches the councel of Ephesus alowed him the counsel of Nice condemned Arrius the councel of Sardice Smirna and Millan defended him The Councel of Africa whereof Cyprian was moderator decréed that those which had béene baptized by Heretikes should be baptized anew the Councell of Carthage forbade it The Councell of Ephesus celebrated when Celestinus was Pope allowed men to communicate both kindes in the Sacrament the Councell of Constance vnder Iohn the thrée and twentie and of Laterane vnder Innocentius the thirde did forbid it The Councel of Chalons confirmeth sacrifice for the dead the Councell of Carthage forbiddeth it The Councel of Anchira Nice Grangren Toledo and Illiberis allowe the mariage of Ministers the Councell of Neocesaria Chalcedon Agatha and sundrie others forbidde it The Councell of Toledoe permitteth Concubines the thirde Councell of Carthage and the Councell of Basill vnder Eugenius the fourth condemne them The Councell held by Alexander forbiddeth men to heare the masse of a priest that kéepeth a concubine but the Councell kept vnder Lucius the third tollerateth it The Councell of Gangrene condemneth those that thrust● newe ordinances vppon the people the sixth Councell of Constantinople alloweth it The Councell of Toledoe in the eleuenth Cannon forbiddeth Images the sixth Councell of Constantinople and many others confirme and approue them What needes more wordes The Councell of Africa disalloweth the Popes supremacie the sixth Councell of Chalcedon and diuers moe allowe it The Councell vnder Gelasius made a decree against Transubstantiation the Councell of Florence vnder Victor the seconde and of Laterane vnder Innocentius the thirde establish it Beholde the authoritie of Councels behold their agréement And these are the reasons why the Gospellers will not simply admitte the Councels for Iudges in the controuersies of Religion but as sworne witnesses and that too so farre foorth onelie as their depositions shall agrée with the déede of the will and the meaning of the will maker whiche is the Lord God Wherefore Augustine doth verie well aduise that in controuersies of the Churche wee followe not the authoritie of the Councell either of Nice or of Ariminum as a guide sith wee are not bounde thereunto but that rather matter may bee compared with matter cause with cause and reason with reason by the authoritie of the Scriptures For more credite is to bee giuen to a man of the common sorte that speaketh the trueth accordyng to the Scriptures then to a generall Councell that bringeth a lye against the Scriptures There remaineth the third kynde of Iudges namelie the auncient Fathers But the Gospellers say they can not absolutelie admitte these neither for Iudges For first they say that there are verie fewe that are verie auncient which notwithstanding haue also most plainlie declared that they may erre And againe they alledge that the age after ensuing was so generally ouertaken and stronglie possest with a false persuasion and opinion concerning prayer to the dead building of Churches superstitious celebrating the memoriall of martyrs allegoricall and misticall exposition of the Scriptures single life moncherie and a multitude of ceremonies that many Bishops partlie of ignoraunce partlie of couetousnesse partlie of vayne glorie and finallie partlie of méere wickednesse were so farre from stopping and repressing that they rather countenaunced and supported all these errours This might be proued by many examples but a fewe will serue for the clearing of the matter The godly imbrace Tertulliā so farre forth as out of the written word of God he confuted Marcion and Praxeas who denied both the Godhead and manhoode of Christ But in that hee maintaineth the errours of the Millenaries and condemneth second mariages therein they iudge that he erreth Cyprian was of sound iudgement in the doctrine of the holie Trinitie of the Baptisme of infants and vse of the Lordes Supper but he erreth in this that he decréed that those which had bene Baptised by heretickes should bee Baptiséd agayne and did too ouerlashinglie extoll virgiuitie and sette-penaunce Basill iudged aright of the Trinitie of repentaunce and iustification but herein hee is not without fault that hee first set vp societies of Monckes which are now thought to haue growen too farre out of kinde from their first institution Gregorie Nazianzene writ many thinges well but hee was ouershotte in this that hee seemeth to hold prayer to Saintes Chrisostome handled manie matters excéeding well but when hee stretcheth his eloquencie to extoll vowed Pilgrimages and prayer for the dead hee is iudged to erre Ambrose writ not a fewe things verie religiouslie of the Trinitie and of the doctrine of iustification but the reformed Church doth reiect those counterfeit and forged bookes which go abroad vnder his name Ierome did very good seruice to the Church when he disputeth that our regenation is not wrought by the strēgth of our frée will but not withstāding in the meane while he erreth most grossely shamefully in this that he so disprayseth mariage that hee calleth her a whore which marieth the second time Augustine the most sincere of all the old fathers deserueth very wel of the Church while he confuteth the Arriās Manicheis Donatists Pelagiās by the word of God but whereas he staggereth about Purgatory vowes therein he is thought not to haue takē counsell with y e word of God Gregory iudgeth rightly whē he said he was Antichrist that sought to be called Vniuersal Bishop but he erreth very fearefully while he pulleth asunder the lawfull mariages of the Ministers of Gods word when he saith it is vnlawfull to renounce a solitarie life and while hee is induced by night apparitious and visions to allowe of doctrines contrarie to thé word of God And now howe should the Gospellers absolutelie admitte the fathers for iudges when as the playntiefes them selues doe not allowe and obserue all their sayinges Ambrose saith that when we haue performed the duetie of common ciuilitie towardes the dead in burying them we should then let them alone Gelasius saith that the substaunce of