Ascention or being in Heaven W. H. thou art quite out Again that Change that we believe Christ Jesus to have had into a State of Glory which as the Son he had with the Father before the World began doth not at all deny Jesus of Nazareth to be the Messiah as most unjustly thou hast accused us both in thy Antidote and Animadversions p. 6. for it was the same Jesus that so prayed Father glorifie thy Son glorifie thou me with thine own self with the Glory which I had with thee before the World was John 17. 1. 5. yet it is a plain falshood to say that We suppose that the manhood as thou calls it that was taken of the Virgin is turned into an Immeâ—se iâ—finite being a Deity It was never our Supposition p. 6. that the meer â—lesh Blood that the Son took of the Virgin which was part of the same the Câ—ildren had became a Dâ—ity an Immense infinite being when thou wantest proof for thy Slanders against us thou must needs Invent and Forge suppositions meanings and absurd Consequences for us Oh! perverse Man is this to support thy Credit and Trade among thy Hearers to say we do suppâ—se that which never entred into our Hearts W. H. His Soul was in the Saints We may dispare at this rate ever by words to understand one another here 's Babel p. 8. Answ In Babel thou art who accusest and revilest us and drawest thy absurd Meanings upon us without understanding us shewing thy ignorant Confidence Of the Soul or Spirit of Christ we shall speak anon Against our saying He Christ had all Power in Heaven and Earth given him and therefore could descent at his pleasure and he promised to be with his Disciples alway to the End W. H Objects To Argue from Christ's Power to his will was never accounted strong or right Reasoning * But the learned and Zealous Protestants affirmed Christ's Spiritual presence with his Church in opposition to the Papists Doctrine of his Carnal presence in their Sacrament The Papists argued thus against the Martyrs for their Transubstantiation viz. God had Power to turn Bread into his natural Body Ergo p. 8. Ans A most gross perversion and abuse not only against us but against Christ's own Testimony whereby his WILL to be with his Disciples to the end of the World as well as his Power to come again unto them is signified And JESUS spake unto them saying ALL POWER is GIVEN unto me c. Lo I am with you alway even unto the end of the World Mat. 28. 18 20. But W. H. has denyed Jesus Christ to be here on Earth as he is Man that is either as to his Body or Spirit Antid p. 2 3. It is not a Corporal and carnal Vnion between Christ and his Members that we plead for that 's not the Controversie nor do we speak of the manhood being locally or Personally present with and in the Saints as he would Insinuate p. 9. But the spiritual presence of Christ Jesus according to his promise Mat. 28. 20. As the SON of God to whom all Powâ—r IS GIVEN according to his own sense And though our Adversary has denyed the Holy manhood of Christ even in the Spirituallity of it that is as to his Spirit to be on Earth in or with his Church yet hath he confessed that CHRIST is in the Saints by his Spirit Antid p. 5. And that Christ hath alway been present with his Disciples in the discharge of their ministerial Gifts and will be to the end of the World by HIS Spirit Animad p. 9. Where 's now the Controversie Is the heavenly Man Christ wholely separate from his Church and Members not only in Body but in Spirit also yea circumscribed in some place as far as the highest Heavens are supposed from the Earth Antid pag. 6. As a Man may be many Miles distant from his Wife c. Anim. p. 9. And yet this same Christ alway present with his Disciples And as there 's one Soul throughout the natural Body of man the same in the Head and in every Member so ONE Spirit in Jesus Christ the Mystical Head and in every one of his Members the Saints Anim. p. 9. Now if thiâ— man meant really as he speaks as to the spiritual Presence and Union of Christ Jesus with and in his Saints and Church on Earth and would lay aside his Enmity and Confusion and keep to Scripture-Language the Controversie between him and us would be at an end But in p. 10. he has framed a Dilemical Quarrel against the Spirit of Christ being in every Saint which he sayes we invest with the Office of the holy Ghost which he concludes cannot be so either with or without the Body nor yet extending from it in Heaven to every Saint upon Earth For that were to render the Soul of Christ immense iâ—finite and then there must be a new created God in time the Soul of Christ's Manhood was created in time Error is Crookedness Absurdity and Rottenness quoth W. H. And yet he saith The Saints ought to worship the Humane Nature of Christ in Vnion with the Deity Anti. p. 6 7. And that the Humane Nature giveth Life to our Souls p. 7. Can it do so and yet his Spirit not so much as extend to us though immensly impowered with the Deity How doth he darken Counsel by words without Knowledge And W. H. leaves us not thus but has another fling at us p. 19. But he Christ is on Earth the Quakers say at least in one essential part of his Manhood His Soul is in every Saint You see Error is big-bellyed and fruitful And p. 20. 30. Refining Religion and the blessed holy true real operative Manhood of Jesus Christ into Air Wind Fancy Nothing ‖ Gross Lyes c. Rep What a heap of jumbled Arguing mudled Stuff with a most false Conclusion against us is here as if we went about to annihilate the most holy and glorious Manhood of Jesus Christ Now we would query of this Man First If the Soul and Spirit of Christ be not one and the same 2. If he was the Son of God before the World was what then is his Soul and in what time created 3. If the Spirit of Christ and the holy Ghost be separate or divided 4. If Jesus Christ in all the parts essential and proper to him viz. in Body and Soul or Spirit be so circumscribed and limited in Heaven as in no sense or degree to be in or with his Saints or Members on Earth then how is his own Promise or Saying made good Lo I am with you alway to the End of the World And how has the Father given the Son Power over all Flesh that he should give Eternal Life to as many as the Father gave him John 17. 5. And doth not God send the Spirit of his Son into Believers Hearts that thereby they might partake of his holy and heavenly
Pages of ours wherein those words are asserted by the Quakers as their Opinion or forever stop his Mouth and be ashamed of Reviling and Abusing us as he hath done We doubt not but the Righteous God will rebuke his Malicious Envious Lying Spirit and manifestly abase him for his Perverting the Truth and Belying and Reviling the Servants of Christ as he has frequently done in his Writings Here follows a brief Collection of William Haworth 's Doctrines about which the Controversie between him and us Chiefly hath depended 1. OF the Body of Christ in Heaven That it is a Humane Natural Body of an Earthly Substance having the same Materiality Form and Figure and Shape ESSENTIAL to it that it had when here upon Earth Anim. p. 10 11. 7. 16. compared with Antid p. 6. Contrary to Phil. 3. 21. 1 Cor. 15. 44 45 46 47 48. 2. Yet in Contradiction That it is a very Glorious Body more bright then a Thousand Suns gloriously represented and painted out to us by Daniel and John in the Revelation 3. That Steven saw the Heavens opened and the Body of Christ yea Christ Iesus on the Right Hand of God with his Bodily or Carnal Eye from Acts 7. 55 56. See also Antid p. 6 12. compared with Animad p. 14 15. 4. That the Man Christ Iesus is not here on Earth as to his Spirit nor is or may his Soul or Spirit be so much as extended to the Saints upon Earth Antid p. 2 3. compared with Anim. p. 10. Yet in Contradiction to this by his own Expressions CHRIST hath alwayes been present with his Disciples in the Discharge of their Ministerial Gifts and will be to the End of the World by his Spirit The Vnion between Christ and his Church is mystical and spiritual not corporal and carnal as there is one Soul throughout the natural Body of Man the same in the Head and in every Member so one Spirit in Iesus Christ the Mystical Head and in every one of his Members the Saints 1 Cor. 6. 17. Animad p. 9. Christ is present BY HIS SPIRIT IN his Saints p. 30. And whoever hath not the Son hath not the Father p. 26. Note If he knew what he saith and were real in his Confession so as not to vary from it the Controversie in this would be at an End since Christ is confessed by both of us to be God and Man But further observe W. Haworth's Doctrines 5. That Infants are not Innocents but have the Guilt of Adam's Sin upon them pag. 21. Contrary to Ezek. 18. 20. Chap. 18. 15. Mat. 18. 3. 19. 14. Mark 10. 14. 6. That the Light within every one is nothing but Nature which is corrupt We are by Nature Children of Wrath p. 21. But in plain Contradiction This Light within is the Law of Moses written in the Heart that the Apostle he 's sure calls it Nature Rom. 2. 14. But now to Mark. come off how miserably soever he saith The Law of Moses in the Heart is the Work of the Law p. 22. Query But we ask were those Gentiles who did by Nature those things contained in the Law Children of Wrath by the Work of the Law in their Hearts contrary to plain Scripture Psal 19. 7. Rom. 2. 13 14. Now risum teneatis amici 7. That the Apostle saith of these Gentiles that had done by Nature the Things contained in the Law and had the Works of the Law written in their Hearts notwithstanding this they were unrighteous Sinners guilty c. as a natural Man doing Part of the Law by the meer Strength of Nature is nothing but Sin is a Child of Wrath in a damnable Condition no right Principle from whence he acts not a Dram of true Faith in Jesus Christ p. 22. Query What then was it or could it be corrupt sinful Nature by which those Gentiles mentioned Rom. 2. 14 15. did those things contained in the Law and were justified 8. That W. H. and his Brethren cannot dare not must not admit of any Thing no not so much as our Faith though it 's wrought in us by the Spirit into that Righteousness that justifies us in God's Sight p. 23. Contrary to plain Scripture Rom. 5. 1. 1 Cor. 6. 11. 9. He questions whether there be any Works done by the Spirit upon any of the Sons of Men except Christ but there still remains a Body of Sin in them Intimating that a Body of Sin still remains in them all Christ excepted Contrary to Rom. 6. 7. ver 18. Col. 2. 11. And contrary to his own Confessions viz. God works upon us by his Spirit to renew our evil Natures after his own Image p. 24. We confess that the Deity PERFECTS all Good in us c. p. 28. 10. That we are not justified by Works done in the Spirit as Abraham 's Works David 's Works c. p. 26. Contrary to Jam. 2. 21 24. 11. That David describes the Blessedness of the Ma◠unto whom God imputeth Righteousness without Works DONE BY THE SPIRIT Antid p. 18. Contrary to Psal 32. 2. 12. That Isaiah calls HIS observing Moses 's Law in THE SPIRIT filthy Rags in that Place Isa 64. 3. p. ibid. 13. That Paul 's delighting in the Law of God after the inward Man which was to keep it in THE SPIRIT he counted Loss for Christ when converted to Christ and this but his own Righteousness on Phil. 3. p. ibid. 14. To the Question Is it good Doctrine to say that Paul when a Christian counted his spiritual Obedience Loss and Dung for Christ W. Haworth answers ‖ This is the Man that pretends highly to esteem value the inward Work of the holy Spirit in the Hearts of Saints and his Renewings Comfortings Quickning◠c. p. 22. Yes very good sound blessed and comfortable Doctrine received by Millions of Saints in Heaven and Earth he addeth in Point of Justification Animad p. 27. Contrary to Rom. 8. 13. 6. 16. 16. 26. 2 Cor. 10. 5. 1 Pet. 1. 2. 14. 22. Heb. 5. 9. Acts 5. 32. Jer. 7. 23. Isaiah 1. 19. Deutr. 30. 14. Rom. 10. 8. 15. We are not justified by any Righteousness of ours done in the Spirit this he calls the Deeds of the Law contrary to Rom. 8. 1 2. 16. That our own Righteousness that which the Apostle Paul calls his own in Phil. 3. 9. is within us Inherint in our Souls it CONSITS in those Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in our Minds and we express those outwardly c. His proof for this Doctrine is viz. Faith is called your Faith Love is called your Love c. The Spirit works Faith in us See his Quaker Converted Epistle Dedicatory Observe See what an exposition is here made upon Paul's words about his own Righteousness which he desired not to have but counted it loss for Christ How horribly has this Man perverted this Scripture Phil. 3. 9. Those Gifts and
Vertues of the Spirit of God in Paul as Faith Love c. Could he part with these and count them loss for Christ when he had gained them by Christ And W. H. acknowledgeth That it is Regeneration that makes us meet for the Kingdom See how he is confounded 17. That that Righteousness of Faith by which we are justified is wholy without us in the person of Christ Quak. con Epist Contrary to Isa 26. 12. Rom. 8. 1 2 4. and 10 6 7. 18. Regeneration is to be distinguished from Justification as the Cause from the Effect Justification the cause of Regeneration Animad p. 27. Note As if men were justified in an Unregenerate state contrary to 1 Cor. 6. 11. Tit. 3. 5 6 7. 19. What he calls the personal Righteousness of Christ upon which only he placeth the Justification Imputation and merit of God's Kingdom he explains viz. That is only by the BLOOD-SHEDING of Jesus Christ Anim. p. 27. Note This SHEDING of Christ's Blood then has he preferred above the Vertues and work of his Spirit in us And whose act was the SHEDING of his Blood pray you Was it not his Persecutors Whereas it was by the eternal Spirit in him that HE OFFERED up himself a Lamb without spot to God So that his Offering up himself was Act of obedience proceeding from the inherent Righteousness and Holiness which dwelt in him 20. Of Satisfaction A Vengeance ready to punish Sin This is as dear to HIM i. e. God as his mercy IT being HIMSELF it must therefore be satisfied this way it is satisfied viz. THE FATHER POURED OUT ALL HIS WRATH UPON HIS SON JESUS CHRIST upon whom the Guilt of his People was Charged vid. Quaker Converted Epistle Dedicatory Note Oh! Wonderful yet un scriptural Satisfaction Thus W. Haworth has shewed his Respect to the Son of God thus highly to set the Father against the Son even as much as his Brother T. Powell in his affirming THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS THE GREATEST SINNER * Note his Blasphemy IN THE WORLD Whence it must needs follow THAT THE FATHER POURED OUT ALL HIS WRATH UPON HIS SON Do the Independant Congregations thus think to live at ease in their Sins and go Scot â—ree or accquite themselves from the Wrath of God If they do their Hope and expectations will fail them By these Doctrines before wherein William Haworth has shewn his Madness against the Light within and the Works wrought by and in the Spirit of God in the Saints and against the Son of God himself by rendring him the Subject of his Father's wrath the Reader may suppose what kind of stuff the rest of his work Scribling against us is We have here forborn to give a particular Answer to all these his Doctrines and Confusions or a Recitation of all his Lyes the matter being fully Answered elsewhere in other Books particularly by John Crook in his Treatise Entituled The Counterfeit Convert discovered in Reply to William Haworth's Book Stiled The Quaker Converted to Christianity Re-established which since W. H. hath given us new occasions and like a cracking Boaster now Dares us to Reply is intended to be made Publick so soon as may be with Conveniency If the Lord will We are Friends to all that desire to know the Truth as it is in Jesus Christ viz. Richard Thomas Edward Flumsted jun. H. Sweeting Abraham Rutt Richard Martin H. Stout Here followeth William Bates his Retraction and Account to stop William Haworth 's Clamours on that Occasion WHereas William Haworth has taken occasion to reproach the People of God called Quakers as being no Christians Seducers c. from some words which fell from my self in discourse with him which his Witnesses certifie were thus viz. That what Christ took of the Virgin had now no Being At four sundry times W. Haworth did set upon me with Accusations and Questions And the first time when he with several of his company came as appears to ensnare me with an Unlearned Question about the Body and Humane Nature of Christ Whether it be not the very same Flesh Blood and Bone in Heaven as he took of the Virgin I cannot deny but some such words past from me as before cited wherein I do acknowledge it was my Weakness and Oversight to give him any such Answer And that my Weakness herein may not be further charged upon the People called Quakers I do in the Sight of God affirm That I never was taught any such words among them nor do I know any such thing to be held by any of them as that What Christ took of the Virgin had now no Being I should rather have answered his Question with Silence for I did not understand his word Humane Nature However I hope I shall be more careful how and whom I answer for the time to come Yet nevertheless let it be noted That when I perceived W. H. had gotten Advantage at my words I presently confessed my Belief of the same Christ Jesus as still in Being several times desiring him not to write those words which had given him Advantage yet he told me But he would and still made use of the former Advantage against me â—â—lling me I was a Mad Quaker he had had discourse with divers of the Quakers but never heard the like from any of them and withal That my Brethren would call me to an Account for what I had said In the Fear of the holy God I do declare this to be the very Truth of the Matter so near as possibly I can remember The 16 th of the 10 th Mon. 76. William Bates Now observe Reader how disingenuously this W. H. hath dealt in this matter Ist In accusing the Quakers on this Occasion with denying the same Man Christ and disowning Jesus of Nazareth to be the Messiah when he knew as appears the contrary by expecting they would call W. Bates to an Account for what he had said Oh Unconscionable and void of Common Honesty how like the Devil has he acted when he has ensnared a Man then insults over him and since that to accuse a People from that particular Occasion And 2dly To notifie the Man to the Nation as a Prophet of ours for these words which he desired him not to write down but thereby intimated a desire they should not be insisted upon and here he hath honestly retracted them and therein shewn more Respect to Truth then ever W. H. hath done or is like to do whilst he persists in his Lying Aspersions and Abuses against us For which the Righteous God will judge him and his Folly and Madness against God's holy Truth will the more be manifest to his Shame and Confusion if he persist therein THE TESTIMONY OF THE Hartford Quakers FOR THE Man Christ Jesus VINDICATED TO William Haworth's Accusation in his Title Page W. H demonstrating that it is not the same true and real Man Christ Iesus that they i. e. the Quakers give Testimony unto but
Spirit but a finite Creature yet it was the Word that was made Flesh ascended What! is the Word a Natural Earthly Body or Substance in Heaven Why dost not keep to Scripture And is Christ's Body in Heaven a Natural Earthly Body If so then he has a meaner Body then his Saints and Members shall have theirs shall be Spiritual Coelestial and Glorious but alas Christ their Head must still have a Natural Humane Earthly Body in Heaven in the same Shape Form and Figure it had on Earth But we told this Man in our Testimony pag. 12. If so where it s said in the place cited Phil. 3. 21. Who shall change our vile Body that it may be FASHIONED like unto his Glorious Body That were as Good Sense as to say We shall be fashioned like unto what we are where then is the Change We can gather no satisfactory Answer to this but only the same invested with more Glory p. 16. that is to say That Christ's Natural Earthly Body in Heaven is invested with more Glory then on Earth and so shall our Vile Body be So the changing and fashioning of the Body shall not be any Change of the Substance or Fashion of the Body it self but only the investing the Vile Earthly Body with some better or more beautiful Cloathing then now it hath See how this Opposer has perverted the plain Scripture and what mean Conceits he has of Christ's Glorious Body In plain Confutation to which we would have him read Dr. H. Moor his Modest Enquiry into the Mystery of Iniquity Apol. Chap. 3. p. 494. in his Search into the Nature of a Glorified Body wherein he declares That the Body of Christ in Heaven is not Terrestrial Flesh and Bones but of a more refined Nature Observe and that according to Testimony in Scripture we find that a Glorified Body or that Body wherewith they shall be rewarded who shall attain to that blessed Resurrection may be dignified with these three Titles Angelical Spiritual Coelestial We would advise W. Haworth to Read Henry Moore upon this Subject of the Resurrection-bodies for W. H. may learn something of him he being a man of far more wit parts then himself however he would seem to be some learned Phylosopher Where he tells us that if it i. e. the Body of Christ be not the same in Kind and Nature it cannot be the same in number Anim. p. 5. This cannot be Universally true in every respect if H. Moor's enquiry into the Nature of a glorified Body be true even in this very instance of the glorified Body of Christ That is if it be so Transmuted or changed come to be of a more refined Nature then a terrestrial Body that is become spiritual Coelestial Let him answer H. Moore on this subject as before cited if he can That Christ's manhood cannot be seen with the bodily Eye p. 5. in any Sense is not our affirmation or words for Christ has power to shew himself Visibly and Invisibly as he pleaseth as he did to his Disciples after his Resurrection to Paul in the Light shining from Heaven and inwardly by Revelation As also to Nebuchadnezar in the Fire The form of the fourth is like the Son of God Dan. 3. 25. But where W. H. States The same figure form or shape as ESSENTIAL to Christ p. 11 16. on which much of his Work hangs we think him very Ignorant herein for then when Christ appeared in another form and variously manifested himself both visibly and invisibly outwardly in Peron and also by Visions and Revelations by this his being must be changed which we do not believe for he is the same to Day as he was yesterday and forever Against our instance of Christ's appearing in divers Forms after his Resurrection Mark 16. 12. After p. 17. that he appeared to two of them in another Form W. H. tells us All the Books of the Evangelists do but compleat the History This of Mark is the shortest fall But from Luke 24. 15. He saith It was then he himself with the SAME FORM and Figure Human. Rep. This does not only imply Mark 's writing to be shorter then the rest but that Luke â—e contradicted one another as much as for the one to say He appeared in another form and the other to say Nay he appeared with the same form and figure Thus he has opposed the Evangelist Mark. And by his saying that He seemed to them as one in another habit So the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doth sometimes sigâ—ifiâ—â— p. 17. What has he mended the matter here What other Habit Was it another Garment Is that the proper Signification of the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Doth it not properly signifie the Face or Form some times the figure or likeness Concerning Christ's appearing twice in the midâ—t of his Disciples the Doors being shut John 20. 19 26. He grants here a change of State and Condition but how of state and condition if still but earthly and Natural without any alteration either as to the matter or form of a Natural earthly Body But why do we bring that Scripture Was it to provâ— that he penetrated the Doors or Walls as he sayes we supposâ— p. 5. No we concluded not how it being a Sign of an eminent Power Christ had the Doors being shut when he appeared in the midst of them None of them nor any other man opened the Doors for him as is confest p. 18. This Scripture was then brought by us in order to stop W. H's ignorant Intruding into things he has not seen to avoid unlearned Questions and not make himself wise above what is written he addeth There was then no question a miracle wrought by him How came Peter out of Prison Did he come through the Iron Gate they came to the Iron Gate that leadeth unto the City which opened to them of its own accord Could not Christ Effect the like tâ—ink you for himself Yes he could do it but the Scripture is silent in it But that he appeared in the midst of them the Doors being shut It is Remarkable how W. H. in pag. 19. Makes himself sport in his abusive Forgery where he tells what a strange manhooâ— they have confessed to when 't is of his own Forging none of our Confession and yet has the impudence to say 'T is without wronging them a Tittle But seeing he sometimes takes manhood for the Body Antid p. 6. and Anim. p. 5. we ask him Where in what Book or Page did we ever so confess of it as he saith 1. That it was no way the Object of Sense 2. That it is an Infinite Immense God 3. That it was so thin subtil that it could penetrate Doors and Stone-walls 4. In Form without Shape Figure c 5. That it did not dye for Sinners But in these things he has not on the Particulars distinguished what he means by Manhood whether the Body or Spirit of Christ or