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veritatis_fw-la esset_fw-la corpus_fw-la both_o in_o the_o old_a testament_n and_o in_o the_o eucharist_n now_o say_v he_o it_o can_v not_o be_v the_o figure_n of_o his_o body_n if_o his_o body_n be_v not_o a_o true_a body_n and_o if_o there_o be_v force_n in_o this_o reason_n than_o shall_v martion_n suppose_v transubstantiation_n have_v great_a advantage_n upon_o a_o fantastical_a figure_n that_o have_v no_o substance_n of_o bread_n but_o only_o the_o accident_n and_o appearance_n and_o upon_o such_o a_o fantastical_a mode_n of_o a_o body_n ibid._n si_fw-mi proprereas_fw-la panem_fw-la sibi_fw-la corpus_fw-la sinxit_fw-la quia_fw-la corporis_fw-la carebat_fw-la veritate_fw-la tert._n ibid._n as_o the_o romish_a doctrine_n put_v our_o saviour_n body_n into_o also_o the_o word_n follow_v if_o he_o take_v bread_n as_o those_o heretic_n say_v to_o make_v it_o his_o body_n because_o he_o want_v a_o true_a body_n than_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o bread_n be_v give_v and_o crucify_v for_o 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christo_fw-la phantasma_n credentibus_fw-la non_fw-fr est_fw-fr gustus_fw-la discipulorum_fw-la judificatus_fw-la the_o sense_n be_v not_o deceive_v in_o their_o own_o object_n lest_o thereby_o something_o of_o advantage_n may_v be_v yield_v to_o the_o heretic_n make_v but_o a_o phantasm_n of_o christ_n the_o taste_n of_o the_o disciple_n be_v not_o deceive_v when_o in_o the_o marriage_n of_o cana_n they_o drink_v wine_n make_v of_o water_n nor_o be_v the_o feel_n of_o thomas_n abuse_v when_o he_o put_v his_o finger_n in_o our_o saviour_n side_n nor_o be_v our_o sense_n may_v we_o say_v abuse_v or_o deceive_v when_o they_o tell_v we_o this_o be_v true_a bread_n which_o be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n theodoret_n have_v to_o do_v with_o the_o eutychian_a heretic_n that_o hold_v our_o saviour_n humanity_n swallow_v up_o in_o the_o divine_a nature_n for_o which_o they_o make_v argument_n from_o the_o sacrament_n 2._o theod._n dâ—â—_n al._n 2._o that_o even_o as_o the_o symbol_n or_o element_n 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eucharist_n against_o the_o eutychian_a heresy_n which_o do_v necessary_o infer_v the_o remain_v of_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o element_n to_o show_v the_o remain_v of_o the_o humane_a nature_n of_o christ_n after_o its_o assumption_n nay_o before_o that_o heresy_n appear_v some_o of_o the_o ancient_n do_v make_v use_n of_o the_o same_o instance_n argue_v from_o the_o union_n of_o the_o two_o nature_n in_o christ_n to_o show_v the_o sacramental_a union_n as_o they_o that_o write_v against_o eutyches_n do_v from_o the_o sacrament_n borrow_v a_o demonstration_n or_o illustration_n for_o the_o two_o nature_n unite_v in_o our_o saviour_n christ_n justin_n martyr_n say_v thus_o we_o take_v these_o not_o as_o common_a bread_n or_o common_a drink_n 〈◊〉_d just_a apol._n 2._o ad_fw-la anton._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o even_o as_o jesus_n christ_n be_v make_v flesh_n by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n have_v flesh_n and_o blood_n for_o our_o salvation_n 〈◊〉_d salvation_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o we_o learn_v also_o that_o the_o meat_n or_o food_n which_o by_o the_o prayer_n of_o his_o word_n be_v bless_v and_o make_v a_o eucharist_n &_o by_o which_o our_o flesh_n and_o blood_n through_o the_o change_n of_o it_o be_v nourish_v be_v the_o flesh_n and_o blood_n of_o the_o same_o incarned_a jesus_n here_o be_v bread_n though_o not_o common_a bread_n after_o consecration_n and_o bread_n remain_v in_o substance_n for_o it_o nourish_v our_o body_n by_o a_o change_n into_o our_o flesh_n and_o it_o must_v answer_v to_o our_o saviour_n flesh_n remain_v in_o substance_n after_o the_o incarnation_n notwithstanding_o that_o it_o be_v make_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n so_o far_o as_o the_o reason_n and_o purpose_n of_o the_o eucharist_n require_v st._n cyprian_n or_o the_o author_n of_o that_o sermon_n de_fw-fr coena_fw-la of_o the_o lord_n supper_n say_v even_o as_o in_o the_o person_n of_o christ_n essentia_fw-la sicut_fw-la in_o persona_fw-la christi_fw-la humanitas_fw-la apparebat_fw-la latebat_fw-la divinitas_fw-la ità _fw-la sacro_fw-la visibili_fw-la divina_fw-la se_fw-la ineffabiliter_fw-la infundit_fw-la essentia_fw-la the_o humanity_n appear_v and_o the_o divinity_n lay_v hide_v so_o do_v the_o divine_a essence_n ineffable_o insinuate_v itself_o into_o the_o visible_a sacred_a element_n this_o place_n be_v cite_v for_o a_o real_a presence_n by_o the_o cardinal_n but_o he_o shall_v have_v consider_v it_o can_v be_v such_o a_o real_a presence_n as_o will_v serve_v his_o turn_n for_o the_o substantial_a presence_n of_o the_o visible_a outward_a element_n be_v equal_o prove_v by_o this_o say_n of_o the_o father_n and_o a_o dangerous_a thing_n it_o be_v to_o make_v the_o bread_n and_o wine_n remain_v as_o the_o cardinal_n do_v in_o show_n and_o appearance_n only_o which_o render_v this_o instance_n of_o the_o sacrament_n hold_v altogether_o useless_a against_o those_o heretic_n which_o hold_v our_o saviour_n body_n or_o humanity_n be_v but_o such_o in_o appearance_n only_o not_o substance_n thus_o the_o father_n that_o deal_v with_o heretic_n be_v bind_v to_o speak_v
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sacrament_n factus_fw-la omnipotentrâ_fw-la verbi_fw-la carc_n factus_fw-la the_o cardinal_n oppose_v that_o st._n cyprian_n say_v there_o the_o bread_n by_o the_o omnipotence_n of_o the_o word_n be_v make_v his_o flesh_n now_o what_o omnipotency_n be_v it_o say_v he_o to_o make_v the_o bread_n only_o signify_v his_o body_n the_o omnipotency_n say_v we_o be_v not_o in_o make_v the_o bread_n a_o bare_a sign_n of_o his_o body_n as_o he_o will_v impose_v upon_o we_o nor_o yet_o in_o change_v it_o substantial_o into_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n as_o he_o will_v have_v we_o believe_v but_o in_o make_v the_o bread_n his_o body_n or_o communication_n of_o his_o body_n and_o yet_o to_o remain_v what_o it_o be_v the_o same_o in_o substance_n commutentur_fw-la ambr._n de_fw-fr sacram_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 4._o ut_fw-la sint_fw-la quae_fw-la erant_fw-la &_o in_o aliud_fw-la commutentur_fw-la as_o st._n ambrose_n express_v it_o that_o they_o be_v what_o they_o be_v and_o yet_o turn_v into_o another_o thing_n viz._n into_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n and_o this_o he_o affirm_v to_o be_v a_o great_a work_n than_o that_o of_o creation_n which_o make_v thing_n to_o be_v which_o be_v not_o there_o be_v one_o place_n which_o the_o cardinal_n cite_v out_o of_o st._n chrysostome_n de_fw-fr euchar._n in_o encaeniis_fw-la i_o can_v not_o find_v it_o cogite_n num_fw-la vides_fw-la panem_fw-la num_fw-la vinum_fw-la num_fw-la ficut_fw-la reliqui_fw-la cibi_fw-la in_o secessum_fw-la vadunt_fw-la absit_fw-la ne_o cogite_n but_o thus_o it_o speak_v as_o he_o report_v it_o do_v thou_o see_v bread_n or_o wine_n do_v they_o go_v as_o other_o meat_n into_o the_o draught_n far_o be_v that_o from_o they_o do_v not_o think_v so_o then_o follow_v for_o as_o wax_n if_o it_o be_v hold_v to_o the_o fire_n be_v assimulate_v to_o the_o fire_n or_o turn_v into_o a_o flame_n and_o nothing_o of_o the_o substance_n remain_v substantia_fw-la sic_fw-la &_o hic_fw-la puta_fw-la mysteria_fw-la consumi_fw-la corporis_fw-la substantia_fw-la so_o also_o think_v here_o the_o mystery_n be_v consume_v by_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o body_n answ_n it_o be_v familiar_a with_o that_o father_n for_o better_a raise_v the_o thought_n from_o all_o earthly_a consideration_n in_o this_o sacrament_n to_o use_v such_o manner_n of_o speech_n elsewhere_o he_o bid_v they_o not_o to_o think_v they_o be_v now_o on_o earth_n but_o in_o heaven_n and_o that_o they_o receive_v it_o from_o the_o hand_n of_o a_o cherubin_n or_o seraphim_n so_o here_o do_v not_o think_v thou_o see_v bread_n and_o wine_n etc._n etc._n and_o so_o think_v here_o the_o mystery_n be_v consume_v as_o wax_v turn_v into_o a_o flame_n to_o show_v there_o be_v nothing_o of_o terrene_a or_o bodily_a consideration_n nothing_o for_o fill_v the_o belly_n intend_v or_o leave_v in_o the_o use_n and_o purpose_n of_o this_o sacrament_n and_o so_o neither_o shall_v there_o be_v any_o thing_n of_o that_o concernment_n in_o our_o 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earth_n make_v against_o the_o vanity_n of_o that_o heretical_a assertion_n in_o like_a manner_n the_o eucharist_n or_o that_o which_o irenaeus_n say_v of_o it_o here_o confirm_v our_o doctrine_n against_o the_o romanist_n for_o there_o he_o say_v the_o bread_n after_o consecration_n be_v not_o now_o common_a bread_n but_o a_o eucharist_n ibid._n panis_n non_fw-la jam_fw-la communis_fw-la panis_fw-la est_fw-la sed_fw-la eucharistia_n ex_fw-la duabus_fw-la rebus_fw-la constans_fw-la terrena_fw-la &_o coelesti_fw-la iren._n ibid._n consist_v of_o two_o thing_n the_o terrene_a and_o the_o heavenly_a if_o not_o common_a bread_n yet_o bread_n still_o and_o if_o it_o consist_v of_o these_o two_o then_o be_v bread_n still_o in_o it_o for_o else_o it_o can_v not_o consist_v of_o it_o and_o this_o be_v according_a to_o the_o cardinal_n own_o reason_n who_o intend_v by_o this_o place_n to_o prove_v a_o real_a presence_n of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n in_o the_o sacrament_n argue_v thus_o est_fw-la bel._n de_fw-fr euch._n l._n 2._o c._n 6._o nihil_fw-la constare_fw-la dicitur_fw-la ex_fw-la eo_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o ipso_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la irenaeus_n say_v it_o consist_v of_o the_o earthly_a and_o the_o heavenly_a part_n but_o nothing_o can_v consist_v say_v the_o cardinal_n of_o that_o which_o be_v not_o in_o it_o not_o observe_v that_o it_o equal_o prove_v the_o substantial_a presence_n of_o the_o bread_n for_o it_o consist_v of_o the_o terrene_a as_o of_o the_o celestial_a now_o we_o can_v say_v the_o celestial_a part_n the_o substance_n of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n be_v give_v in_o the_o sacrament_n they_o dare_v not_o say_v it_o of_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o terrene_a part_n but_o betake_v they_o to_o the_o species_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n when_o as_o irenaeus_n speak_v of_o the_o substantial_a creature_n and_o fruit_n of_o the_o earth_n and_o it_o concern_v he_o to_o mean_v so_o else_o those_o heretic_n may_v have_v say_v our_o saviour_n take_v those_o creature_n to_o destroy_v they_o and_o leave_v only_o the_o appearance_n and_o species_n of_o those_o thing_n which_o the_o god_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n have_v make_v again_o the_o cardinal_n make_v another_o argument_n from_o those_o word_n of_o irenaeus_n our_o body_n receive_v the_o eucharist_n ibid._n jam_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la corruptibilia_fw-la spem_fw-la resurrectionis_fw-la habentia_fw-la iren._n ibid._n be_v not_o now_o corruptible_a as_o have_v the_o hope_n of_o a_o resurrection_n wherein_o he_o abuse_v that_o good_a father_n and_o himself_o for_o thus_o he_o argue_v from_o that_o say_n ibid._n corpora_fw-la nostra_fw-la reipsa_fw-la fient_fw-la immortalia_fw-la ergo_fw-la panis_fw-la terrenus_fw-la reipsa_fw-la fit_a corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la bel._n ibid._n our_o body_n shall_v be_v true_o &_o indeed_o incorruptible_a therefore_o the_o terrene_a bread_n be_v true_o indeed_o make_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n whereas_o that_o father_n speak_v of_o the_o present_a our_o body_n be_v not_o now_o corruptible_a which_o