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A62427 The Quakers quibbles in three parts : first set forth in an expostulatory epistle to Will. Pfnn [i.e. Penn] concerning the late meeting held to Barbycan between the Baptists and the Quakers, also the pretended prophet Lod. Muggleton and the Quakers compared : the second part, in reply to a quibbling answer to G. Whiteheads, entituled The Quakers plainness ... : the third part, being a continuation of their quibbles ... / by the same indifferent pen. Thompson, Thomas.; Hedworth, Henry.; Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1675 (1675) Wing T1013; ESTC R41153 141,349 262

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contemn_v retort_v question_n etc._n etc._n and_o therefore_o till_o that_o be_v do_v no_o answer_n can_v or_o can_v be_v due_o or_o in_o course_n expect_v to_o those_o new_a question_n but_o if_o he_o please_v to_o give_v i_o a_o honest_a plain_a and_o direct_a answer_n to_o what_o i_o have_v write_v without_o evade_n or_o quibble_v i_o will_v promise_v he_o he_o shall_v have_v a_o answer_n 〈◊〉_d ●hose_v question_n without_o boggle_n or_o evade_n rather_o ●●an_z that_o shall_v be_v any_o excuse_n to_o he_o sect._n 3_o g.w._n p._n 8._o have_v thou_o manage_v the_o baptist_n cause_n well_o in_o say_v they_o do_v not_o pretend_v to_o such_o immediate_a revelation_n inspiration_n infallibility_n etc._n etc._n contrary_a to_o their_o former_a testimony_n observa_fw-la it_o be_v not_o for_o i_o to_o boast_v of_o myself_o therein_o neither_o desire_v i_o but_o for_o aught_o yet_o appear_v it_o be_v manage_v well_o enough_o as_o i_o apprehend_v and_o better_a than_o thou_o have_v manage_v 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