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A44839 The difference of that call of God to the ministry which is by the power of his own gift and measure of life, revealed, and of that, which is received of man, and taught by man, as is manifest by these two severall calls, herein declared, with several principals relating to this second call, answered / by Richard Hubberthorn. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1659 (1659) Wing H3223; ESTC R21988 11,470 18

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Ministery here declared is one with and according to the Apostles and the Scriptures RICHARD HUBBERTHORN The Heads of Priest Dance his Professed Call to the Ministery as followeth Pr. If I should speak non-sence as others do then I might say that I am made a Minister by the measure of the gift of Grace and then I should be accounted a Minister as well as they c. But I do not pretend unto any infallibility in my Ministery but as these Act. 6. 6. Which when the Apostles had prayed laid their hands upon them although saith he that laying on of hands is not of such necessity but that a man may be a Minister without it and as Timothy although he had some extraordinary gifts yet he was not infallible 1 Tim. 4. 14. And saith he I desire the office of a Bishop which he that desireth desireth a good work according to 1 Tim. 3. 1. And as for his qualifications they are such as whereby he might have advantaged himself more abundantly in the World as to outward means and might have been cloathed in scarlet c. But did rather chuse and incline himself to be a Minister of the Gospel and that the outward means was not his end in chusing to be a Minister but if that he could be satisfied or see that there did not want Labourers in the Lords work he could freely leave off c. And further he said That God had made his preaching effectual for the converting of many and that there were many though not in that place yet some in that place of whom he could say as the Apostles said that they were the seal of his Ministery c. These being the Heads of the Particulars Objections against this Call WHereas thou saiest That it is non-sence to say that a man is made a Minister by the gift of Grace Answ. Then the Apostles spoke non-sence when they witnessed forth their Call to the Ministery for to every one of them was given Grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ from which Grace they did Minister Eph. 4. But the Apostles spoke sensible truth therefore he that contradicts it speaks non-sence and ignorance as will further appear in saying that he pretends unto no infallibility in his Ministry Answ. Then he pretends to nothing of the Spirit of God much less to be a Minister of the Spirit as Paul was 2 Cor. 3. 6. For every measure of the Spirit is infallible or undeceiveable but that which is fallible is deceiveable and whosoever is taught by that Spirit is deceived and Thomas Dance pretends to have no other Spirit but that which is deceiveable and fallible so that it is time to turn away from such Again he chargeth Timothy that he was not infallible which is a false charge for wherein was he fallible or deceiveable but he was so infallible that he not neglecting the gift of God that was in him he by it was able to save himself and those that heard him 1 Tim 4. 16. And he Ministred from the gift of God in him which he had received by Prophesie and so not from a fallible spirit but from the infallible and so is accused falsly by T. Dance Again Tho. Dance saith That he desireth the Office of a Bishop c. Answ. But consider what such a one must be which is blameless vigilant sober not rude and scornful but of good behaviour apt to teach not apt to laugh and jear and cause the people to be light and vain must he not be given to wine no striker not greedy of filthy lucre but patient not a brawler not covetous as it doth appear those Priests are guilty of which have nothing to preach from but the fallible spirit which doth alwayes deceive people but one that ruleth his own house well having his children in subjection with all gravity for if a man know not how to rule his own house will how shall he take care of the Church of God but it is manifest that Thomas Dance ruled not his own Church or people well but rather provoked them to wantonnesse rudenesse and laughter which is madnesse Not a novice least being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the Devil but T. D. was so lifted up in the pride of his heart that he gave two meanings to one place of Scripture and so falls into the condemnation of the Devil Pr. And whereas Thomas Dance saith That his qualification is such that he might have been cloathed in scarlet c. Answ. What mightest thou have been A Lawyer or Doctor as one of thy brethren said which if thou had by that the Nation is deceived though not in so high a measure as by professing the ministery but that is taken up as the most profitable trade to get means and live in pride What if thou hadst been cloathed in Scarlet in Velvet in Purple or any other gorgeous apparel and in that apparel which thou art already cloathed with wilt thou be condemned when thou comes to know any measure of the gift of the true Ministry to be thy guide Pr. Again whereas Thou takest the people to be a seal of thy Ministery An. All the people that were in place and some more may seal it to be fallible and deceiveable as thou hast confessed it to be but there is not one that can set to their seal that it hath brought them to a perfect man nor to the knowledge of the Son of God nor to the measure of the stature of the fulnesse of Christ and so it hath not effected any of the work of the true Ministry but when thou comes to be searched narrowly filthy lucre will be found to be the end for which thou Ministers without which thou would be silent And now further to manifest that he pretends not to any thing of the infallible spirit in his Ministry these his principles or doctrines declare as followeth with the answer of truth to them Pr. That every individual man was not enlightened by Christ Answ. Which doctrine is contrary to John 1. 9. which saith That was the true light which enlighteneth every one that commeth into the World and to pervert the Scripture he gave two meanings that the people might take whether they would so that they would but deny the form of sound words and the plain Scripture the first was this That Christ enlightened every man that is enlightened or else Secondly that he enlighteneth some in every Nation Now let people consider how that this can be the meaning of the Holy Ghost as he said it was seeing that here is two meanings and it is either the one or the other but he knowes not which doth plainly manifest that he hath not the mind of the spirit which is but one and speaks as it means but the Scriptures cannot be broken by such meanings which saith That every man is enlightened with the true Light Pr. That the whole body of the