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A52594
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A discourse of ecclesiastical lawes and supremacy of the kings of England, in dispensing with the penalties thereof by Mr. Philip Nye.
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Nye, Philip, 1596?-1672.
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1687
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Wing N1490A; ESTC R41353
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limit_v or_o enlarge_n the_o exercise_n of_o their_o power_n in_o these_o matter_n ecclesiastical_a but_o rather_o recognise_v and_o confirm_v what_o have_v be_v order_v by_o they_o as_o in_o 5_o eliz._n and_o in_o car._n 2._o in_o the_o act_n of_o uniformity_n and_o many_o other_o instance_n may_v be_v tender_v chap._n iu._n of_o objection_n against_o this_o power_n and_o the_o exert_v thereof_o with_o answer_n thereunto_o there_o be_v reason_v possible_o tend_v another_o way_n the_o objection_n obvious_a i_o shall_v now_o mention_v have_v diverse_a material_a consideration_n pertinent_a to_o a_o more_o full_a and_o clear_a state_v this_o case_n which_o may_v have_v be_v produce_v in_o the_o body_n of_o this_o discourse_n but_o be_v reserve_v rather_o to_o this_o place_n partly_o because_o we_o find_v this_o vulgar_a way_n of_o dialogue_n let_v in_o knowledge_n with_o less_o difficulty_n and_o what_o be_v require_v by_o way_n of_o a_o question_n engage_v he_o that_o propose_v with_o great_a attention_n to_o observe_v what_o be_v say_v in_o the_o answer_n quest_n if_o such_o a_o power_n be_v in_o the_o king_n may_v it_o not_o be_v thence_o infer_v that_o be_v have_v power_n over_o the_o conscience_n of_o man_n answ_n 1_o there_o be_v nothing_o in_o this_o power_n or_o the_o execution_n of_o it_o but_o only_o take_v off_o restraint_n as_o to_o the_o outward_a duty_n which_o the_o law_n require_v and_o the_o press_v such_o thing_n upon_o it_o as_o be_v contrary_a to_o its_o light_n and_o dictate_v and_o the_o power_n which_o protect_v conscience_n in_o its_o external_a action_n and_o take_v off_o all_o fear_n and_o imposition_n from_o it_o be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v a_o power_n over_o the_o conscience_n of_o man_n that_o it_o be_v a_o necessary_a requisite_a for_o act_v of_o its_o own_o power_n in_o obedience_n unto_o god._n neither_o 2._o do_v it_o follow_v that_o if_o the_o king_n may_v suspend_v the_o execution_n of_o ecclesiastical_a law_n that_o in_o the_o like_a case_n he_o may_v make_v such_o law_n for_o the_o suspension_n of_o law_n belong_v to_o the_o executive_a but_o the_o make_n of_o they_o to_o the_o legislative_a power_n which_o be_v distinct_a and_o in_o the_o make_n of_o law_n with_o penalty_n annex_v the_o liberty_n estate_n and_o life_n of_o the_o subject_n be_v concern_v but_o in_o the_o suspension_n of_o those_o law_n no_o man_n be_v damage_v in_o what_o be_v secure_v to_o he_o quest_n if_o such_o a_o prerogative_n be_v in_o the_o king_n what_o need_v ecclesiastical_a law_n be_v transact_v and_o establish_v by_o parliament_n answ_n 1_o that_o if_o his_o majesty_n be_v please_v in_o these_o affair_n at_o any_o time_n to_o take_v in_o the_o advice_n and_o assent_n of_o his_o lord_n and_o commons_o in_o parliament_n it_o do_v not_o always_o evidence_n his_o majesty_n power_n as_o insufficient_a of_o itself_o for_o such_o act_n such_o a_o favour_n may_v proceed_v from_o a_o condescension_n upon_o the_o account_n of_o a_o more_o popular_a acceptance_n that_o our_o hand_n may_v be_v fasten_v more_o firm_o in_o obedience_n to_o those_o law_n and_o command_n in_o the_o form_n whereof_o they_o have_v be_v assistant_n take_v it_o answer_v in_o his_o majesty_n own_o word_n declar._n of_o 26._o dec._n 1662._o to_o concur_v with_o we_o in_o make_v some_o such_o act_n as_o may_v enable_v we_o to_o exercise_v with_o a_o more_o universal_a satisfaction_n that_o power_n of_o dispense_v which_o we_o conceive_v to_o be_v inherent_a in_o we_o or_o as_o also_o it_o be_v by_o the_o abovenamed_a learned_a judge_n hobart_n express_v these_o statute_n and_o the_o like_a be_v make_v say_v he_o to_o put_v thing_n in_o ordinary_a form_n and_o to_o ease_v the_o sovereign_n of_o labour_n but_o not_o to_o derogate_v from_o his_o power_n answ_n 2_o power_n sufficient_a in_o themselves_o may_v join_v and_o in_o such_o conjunction_n remain_v entire_a as_o power_n cumulative_a and_o not_o privative_a as_o be_v evident_a from_o what_o be_v say_v in_o the_o statute_n of_o 31_o h._n 8._o cap._n 10._o the_o king_n be_v most_o excellent_a majesty_n though_o it_o appertain_v to_o his_o prerogative_n royal_a to_o give_v honour_n as_o shall_v seem_v to_o his_o wisdom_n he_o be_v nevertheless_o please_v and_o content_v for_o a_o order_n to_o be_v have_v etc._n etc._n by_o this_o high_a court_n of_o parliament_n that_o it_o shall_v be_v enact_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o same_o self-distinct_a from_o that_o capacity_n wherein_o he_o stand_v in_o conjunction_n with_o his_o subject_n as_o their_o head_n in_o that_o respect_n be_v in_o a_o high_a region_n above_o and_o in_o a_o great_a distance_n from_o those_o interest_n upon_o the_o account_n whereof_o his_o subject_n be_v many_o time_n divide_v and_o public_a edict_n become_v form_v according_a to_o the_o prevalency_n of_o a_o great_a party_n to_o the_o prejudice_n of_o other_o which_o be_v his_o loyal_a subject_n also_o by_o wisdom_n and_o prudence_n there_o be_v a_o balance_n by_o which_o the_o tranquillity_n of_o a_o nation_n be_v happy_o preserve_v and_o one_o party_n not_o overbear_v by_o the_o other_o have_v this_o power_n to_o mitigate_v and_o dispense_v as_o have_v be_v discourse_v with_o what_o in_o his_o wisdom_n with_o advice_n of_o his_o council_n shall_v seem_v equal_a quest_n 3_o but_o have_v not_o the_o king_n prerogative_n be_v limit_v in_o our_o law_n be_v there_o not_o some_o thing_n which_o he_o can_v dispense_v with_o no_o not_o with_o a_o non_fw-la obstante_fw-la answ_n i_o grant_v it_o and_o in_o several_a case_n 1._o he_o may_v by_o special_a word_n in_o the_o statute_n bound_v up_o himself_o from_o make_v any_o use_n of_o his_o prerogative_n 2._o in_o what_o be_v malum_fw-la in_o se_fw-la in_o respect_n of_o impiety_n or_o vnrighteousness_n 3._o when_o such_o dispensation_n be_v destructive_a to_o the_o great_a end_n of_o a_o commonwealth_n common_a justice_n the_o propriety_n of_o man_n etc._n etc._n 1._o to_o the_o first_o his_o majesty_n or_o any_o of_o his_o predecessor_n have_v not_o at_o any_o time_n in_o any_o statute_n or_o law_n that_o concern_v these_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n by_o any_o such_o special_a word_n bind_v up_o himself_o but_o rather_o the_o contrary_a as_o in_o those_o two_o act_n wherein_o more_o especial_o our_o affair_n lie_v that_o of_o uniformity_n where_o that_o dispensation_n with_o that_o statute_n grant_v to_o stranger_n by_o sole_a prerogative-authority_n be_v justify_v in_o the_o act._n 22_o car._n 2._o by_o the_o proviso_n there_o insert_v the_o parliament_n seem_v to_o induce_v his_o majesty_n assent_n in_o the_o recognise_a his_o prerogative_n so_o express_o in_o that_o act_n as_o if_o they_o speak_v thus_o though_o this_o act_n be_v very_o severe_a yet_o if_o it_o be_v find_v prejudicial_a or_o not_o to_o attain_v the_o end_n for_o which_o we_o judge_v such_o severity_n to_o be_v requisite_a it_o be_v a_o ecclesiastical_a affair_n and_o your_o majesty_n may_v when_o you_o please_v disperse_v or_o exempt_a person_n from_o it_o for_o we_o intend_v not_o to_o abridge_v your_o royal_a prerogative_n 2._o there_o be_v nothing_o transact_v in_o these_o affair_n by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o as_o depend_v on_o his_o authority_n but_o such_o matter_n as_o in_o the_o sense_n of_o our_o law_n be_v thing_n material_o indifferent_a and_o therefore_o not_o mala_fw-la in_o se_fw-la they_o do_v not_o bind_v the_o conscience_n of_o the_o subject_a in_o the_o nature_n of_o they_o consider_v in_o themselves_o queen_n eliz._n advertisement_n 1569._o preface_n the_o keep_n or_o omit_v of_o a_o ceremony_n in_o itself_o be_v but_o a_o small_a thing_n yet_o the_o wilful_a and_o contemptuous_a transgression_n and_o break_v a_o common_a order_n etc._n etc._n of_o ceremony_n why_o some_o be_v etc._n etc._n so_o that_o these_o precept_n concern_v ecclesiastical_a matter_n oblige_v not_o in_o their_o own_o nature_n as_o what_o be_v either_o bonum_fw-la or_o malum_fw-la but_o as_o prohibit_v or_o command_v 3._o civil_a right_n and_o claim_n and_o temporal_a thing_n only_o be_v the_o immediate_a and_o intrinsic_a concern_n and_o interest_n of_o all_o commonwealth_n dominium_fw-la non_fw-la fundatur_fw-la in_o gratiâ_fw-la if_o the_o just_a claim_n of_o a_o prince_n may_v not_o be_v interrupt_v upon_o the_o account_n he_o be_v of_o this_o or_o that_o religion_n and_o persuasion_n nor_o may_v a_o subject_n be_v just_o banish_v imprison_v confiscate_v or_o ruin_v upon_o the_o mere_a account_n of_o religion_n or_o because_o his_o conscience_n be_v not_o cast_v into_o the_o same_o mould_n with_o the_o prince_n or_o present_a establishment_n it_o be_v popery_n to_o deny_v allegiance_n to_o prince_n or_o protection_n to_o a_o subject_a upon_o the_o account_n of_o any_o such_o difference_n quest_n religion_n and_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n be_v the_o great_a concern_v of_o a_o nation_n
the_o same_o church_n differ_v from_o itself_o upon_o further_a discovery_n a_o synod_n a_o parliament_n may_v judge_v such_o and_o such_o thing_n that_o they_o who_o be_v to_o submit_v may_v sincere_o scruple_n and_o stick_v at_o as_o sin._n if_o church_n and_o man_n heavenly_a enlighten_v be_v thus_o expose_v to_o vary_v in_o their_o apprehension_n we_o can_v be_v confident_a of_o any_o council_n or_o assembly_n make_v up_o of_o the_o most_o wise_a and_o prudent_a men._n parliament_n be_v choose_v by_o the_o vote_n of_o the_o promiscuous_a multitude_n in_o respect_n we_o will_v hope_v to_o their_o sufficiency_n in_o manage_v our_o civil_a and_o temporal_a concernment_n but_o as_o to_o their_o skill_n and_o ability_n to_o discern_v and_o judge_v of_o such_o matter_n appertain_v to_o order_n in_o the_o service_n and_o worship_n of_o god_n all_o man_n have_v not_o this_o knowledge_n this_o be_v little_a or_o not_o at_o all_o attend_v by_o those_o that_o elect_v they_o by_o reason_n whereof_o matter_n wherein_o man_n conscience_n be_v concern_v be_v not_o at_o all_o time_n carry_v by_o those_o who_o be_v most_o conscientious_a in_o that_o assembly_n who_o be_v not_o always_o the_o major_a part_n yet_o notwithstanding_o be_v require_v in_o their_o conscience_n to_o assent_v and_o consent_n to_o such_o determination_n be_v make_v although_o possible_o near_o one_o half_a in_o number_n dissent_v in_o the_o pass_n of_o they_o and_o it_o be_v unavoidable_a in_o all_o and_o the_o best_a assembly_n that_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o general_a suffrage_n of_o a_o nation_n again_o these_o matter_n of_o ceremony_n and_o external_a order_n be_v sometime_o manage_v in_o part_n with_o respect_n to_o a_o party_n different_a in_o their_o apprehension_n and_o who_o thereupon_o form_n these_o law_n with_o respect_n to_o prudence_n as_o well_o as_o conscience_n in_o our_o first_o reformation_n it_o be_v say_v such_o superstition_n be_v take_v away_o aâ—time_o will_v serve_v quiet_o to_o do_v it_o and_o many_o thing_n be_v leave_v remain_v in_o our_o liturgy_n which_o otherwise_o will_v have_v be_v remove_v in_o compliance_n with_o that_o form_n of_o divine_a service_n used-before_a by_o the_o papist_n that_o they_o may_v not_o be_v provoke_v but_o rather_o win_v thereby_o to_o our_o religion_n woman_n baptise_v be_v continue_v in_o our_o liturgy_n say_v the_o bishop_n of_o winchester_n else_o the_o book_n will_v not_o have_v pass_v the_o house_n conf._n at_o hampton-court_n king_n james_n be_v once_o willing_a that_o some_o ceremony_n give_v offence_n shall_v be_v remove_v but_o the_o parliament_n then_o sit_v think_v it_o not_o prudence_n and_o our_o present_a sovereign_n will_v have_v do_v a_o great_a matter_n for_o the_o ease_n of_o tender_a conscience_n as_o appear_v by_o some_o of_o the_o declaration_n herein_o after_o mention_v but_o it_o stand_v not_o with_o the_o prudence_n of_o this_o house_n as_o they_o express_v in_o their_o answer_n without_o who_o concurrence_n his_o majesty_n think_v not_o fit_a then_o to_o do_v it_o 3._o from_o mistake_a principle_n as_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o unity_n without_o uniformity_n that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o discipline_n in_o a_o church_n without_o some_o ceremony_n of_o humane_a institution_n that_o thing_n in_o worship_n indifferent_a become_v necessary_a be_v impose_v by_o authority_n that_o thing_n in_o matter_n of_o order_n that_o be_v once_o establish_v and_o some_o time_n continue_v in_o the_o church_n may_v not_o with_o safety_n be_v alter_v these_o thing_n i_o offer_v not_o to_o derogate_v from_o parliament_n in_o their_o manage_n of_o such_o affair_n but_o upon_o this_o serious_a account_n only_o to_o show_v that_o as_o our_o civil_a law_n have_v make_v provision_n that_o the_o church_n shall_v not_o in_o their_o law_n and_o canon_n order_v any_o thing_n against_o the_o prerogative_n of_o the_o king_n or_o the_o law_n and_o statute_n of_o the_o realm_n in_o general_n and_o that_o such_o canon_n shall_v not_o be_v in_o force_n that_o do_v 25_o hen._n 8.19_o so_o likewise_o law_n and_o statute_n in_o ecclesiastical_a affair_n establish_v by_o the_o civil_a power_n if_o they_o be_v find_v to_o derogate_v from_o the_o prerogative_n of_o christ_n jesus_n or_o the_o law_n and_o statute_n of_o his_o kingdom_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v in_o force_n upon_o man_n conscience_n as_o churchman_n be_v suppose_v not_o to_o be_v so_o well_o understand_v in_o secular_a law_n but_o may_v transgress_v so_o may_v secular_a person_n likewise_o in_o their_o ordering_n about_o church_n affair_n therefore_o there_o be_v a_o like_a necessity_n of_o a_o power_n to_o review_v judge_n and_o dispense_v with_o such_o law_n as_o shall_v be_v find_v to_o disturb_v the_o conscience_n of_o peaceable_a subject_n as_o occasion_n may_v urge_v thereunto_o hen._n 8._o by_o commission_n which_o be_v continue_v by_o edw._n 6._o appoint_v 32_o person_n 8_o of_o each_o profession_n to_o peruse_v the_o canon_n of_o the_o clergy_n then_o in_o force_n to_o the_o end_n those_o may_v be_v remove_v that_o be_v any_o way_n against_o the_o crown_n and_o state._n these_o king_n may_v have_v do_v the_o like_a in_o respect_n to_o those_o canon_n and_o ecclesiastical_a law_n enact_v in_o parliament_n if_o they_o be_v find_v to_o derogate_v from_o christ_n command_n or_o his_o institutes_n or_o if_o just_o offensive_a to_o the_o peaceable_o godly_a that_o dispensation_n may_v be_v grant_v for_o the_o present_a till_o further_a reformation_n be_v obtain_v 3._o the_o municipal_a law_n of_o a_o nation_n be_v from_o and_o conform_v to_o the_o principle_n of_o right_a reason_n and_o common_a justice_n only_o and_o we_o have_v submit_v to_o the_o resolution_n of_o those_o wise_a and_o prudent_a senator_n we_o ourselves_o have_v make_v choice_n of_o to_o enact_v and_o establish_v such_o law_n for_o we_o and_o therefore_o may_v acquiesce_v in_o their_o determination_n without_o further_a enquiry_n have_v give_v a_o kind_n of_o absolute_a pre-consent_n to_o such_o law_n as_o shall_v be_v enact_v by_o they_o but_o it_o be_v not_o so_o in_o ecclesiastical_a law_n entrust_v with_o the_o same_o person_n for_o they_o be_v to_o be_v form_v according_a to_o god_n word_n which_o every_o man_n be_v to_o take_v as_o his_o immediate_a rule_n and_o not_o to_o do_v or_o submit_v to_o any_o thing_n in_o his_o practice_n about_o the_o notion_n of_o religion_n but_o what_o be_v conformable_a thereunto_o he_o be_v to_o live_v and_o act_v by_o his_o own_o faith._n to_o law_n ecclesiastical_a therefore_o make_v in_o parliament_n we_o give_v only_o a_o conditional_a consent_n viz._n so_o far_o as_o they_o be_v agreeable_a to_o god_n word_n and_o concur_v with_o gospel-rule_n nor_o be_v it_o in_o the_o liberty_n of_o any_o man_n conscience_n or_o reason_n to_o yield_v more_o nor_o be_v there_o any_o more_o by_o we_o entrust_v with_o the_o representative_a the_o parliament_n if_o a_o man_n do_v scruple_n the_o reasonableness_n or_o equity_n of_o a_o law_n establish_v concern_v civil_a right_n or_o what_o be_v require_v from_o such_o a_o statute_n he_o may_v notwithstanding_o yield_v obedience_n without_o sin_n and_o aught_o so_o to_o do_v rather_o than_o to_o offend_v by_o any_o appearance_n of_o disobedience_n as_o christ_n himself_o do_v matth._n 17.26_o 27._o but_o in_o matter_n of_o religion_n even_o circumstance_n ceremony_n or_o matter_n of_o order_n or_o the_o least_o thing_n wherein_o the_o lord_n have_v concern_v his_o word_n if_o there_o be_v a_o doubt_n or_o scruple_n whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a and_o conformable_a to_o scripture_n though_o it_o be_v from_o ignorance_n or_o weakness_n yet_o i_o sin_v if_o i_o submit_v in_o practice_n thereof_o rom._n 14.21_o compare_v with_o 2_o 3._o the_o consequence_n of_o transgression_n in_o this_o kind_n be_v more_o than_o the_o loss_n of_o estate_n liberties_n yea_o of_o life_n itself_o if_o law_n from_o superior_n concern_v civil_a right_n be_v unjust_a in_o themselves_o or_o prove_v unequal_a from_o the_o circumstance_n of_o this_o or_o that_o man_n case_n who_o can_v be_v relieve_v by_o any_o indulgence_n he_o may_v submit_v without_o sin_n and_o without_o transgress_v any_o law_n of_o god_n nay_o it_o be_v virtue_n and_o please_v to_o god_n to_o show_v our_o patience_n in_o such_o suffering_n 1_o pet._n 2.13_o compare_v with_o 18_o 19_o 1_o cor._n 6_o 7._o but_o not_o so_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o religion_n for_o we_o have_v it_o from_o christ_n to_o the_o contrary_a that_o be_v not_o to_o submit_v coloss_n 2.20_o and_o god_n blame_v his_o people_n by_o his_o prophet_n for_o willing_o walk_v after_o the_o commandment_n and_o keep_v the_o statute_n of_o omri_n hosea_n 5.12_o micah_n 6.16_o the_o lord_n be_v a_o jealous_a god._n 4._o if_o there_o be_v not_o a_o power_n to_o judge_n and_o dispense_v entrust_v in_o some_o hand_n the_o people_n be_v in_o