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A19033 The plea for infants and elder people, concerning their baptisme, or, A processe of the passages between M. Iohn Smyth and Richard Clyfton wherein, first is proved, that the baptising of infants of beleevers, is an ordinance of God, secondly, that the rebaptising of such, as have been formerly baptised in the apostate churches of Christians, is utterly unlawful, also, the reasons and objects to the contrarie, answered : divided into two principal heads, I. Of the first position, concerning the baptising of infants, II. Of the second position, concerning the rebaptising of elder people. Clyfton, Richard, d. 1616. 1610 (1610) STC 5450; ESTC S1572 214,939 244

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first_o concern_v the_o female_n under_o the_o law_n though_o they_o be_v not_o circumcise_v yet_o be_v “_o they_o account_v of_o the_o circumcise_a and_o for_o the_o ceremony_n itself_o they_o be_v never_o capable_a of_o it_o young_a nor_o old_a the_o like_o you_o will_v not_o say_v of_o child_n under_o the_o gossip_n 2._o for_o the_o father_n before_o the_o institution_n of_o circumcision_n they_o may_v be_v under_o the_o covenant_n &_o without_o the_o seal_n because_o the_o l._n do_v so_o dispense_v with_o those_o time_n but_o you_o must_v prove_v that_o the_o state_n of_o child_n under_o the_o new_a test_n be_v alike_o to_o the_o condition_n of_o those_o father_n before_o abr._n or_o of_o the_o woman_n under_o the_o law_n &_o they_o will_v it_o follow_v that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v seal_v at_o all_o for_o these_o that_o you_o instance_n be_v not_o it_o be_v one_o thing_n when_o god_n have_v command_v the_o sign_n and_o adjoin_v it_o to_o his_o covenant_n to_o be_v receive_v &_o 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in_o force_n to_o the_o faithful_a and_o their_o seed_n rom._n 9_o 6._o 8._o 15._o &_o 11_o 1._o 2-5_a 2._o christ_n speak_v to_o such_o of_o the_o jew_n as_o by_o their_o work_n do_v show_v themselves_o to_o be_v of_o the_o devil_n he_o intend_v not_o to_o teach_v that_o this_o be_v the_o constitution_n &_o state_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n under_o the_o old_a testament_n as_o much_o as_o christ_n say_v to_o these_o jew_n may_v be_v say_v to_o we_o under_o the_o gospel_n as_o of_o those_o antichristian_o whereof_o john_n speak_v 1._o john_n 2._o 19_o and_o therefore_o all_o that_o you_o have_v say_v prove_v nothing_o for_o the_o question_n in_o hand_n again_o to_o prove_v the_o disciple_n to_o be_v baptize_v you_o cite_v joh._n 4._o 1._o &_o 1._o 35._o 40._o i_o answer_v in_o the_o latter_a place_n be_v no_o mention_n of_o baptism_n and_o in_o the_o former_a it_o be_v say_v that_o jesus_n baptize_v more_o disciple_n than_o john_n which_o in_o verse_n 2._o be_v explain_v that_o he_o do_v not_o baptise_v but_o his_o disciple_n show_v that_o christ_n baptise_a disciple_n by_o the_o hand_n of_o his_o disciple_n so_o i_o think_v they_o be_v baptize_v of_o john_n as_o christ_n be_v but_o i_o will_v not_o contend_v there_o about_o and_o for_o that_o you_o answer_v concern_v the_o eunuch_n that_o some_o mention_n shall_v have_v be_v make_v either_o of_o philip_n or_o of_o the_o eunuch_n towch_v his_o child_n it_o be_v nothing_o that_o you_o say_v for_o what_o occasion_n be_v there_o to_o speak_v of_o his_o child_n and_o it_o be_v for_o you_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o eunuch_n have_v child_n see_v he_o be_v one_o as_o it_o be_v like_o that_o be_v make_v chaste_a by_o man_n mat._n 19_o 12._o &_o the_o rather_o because_o in_o regard_n of_o his_o honour_n and_o authority_n he_o be_v call_v cheiffe_n governor_n as_o also_o in_o respect_n of_o his_o country_n a_o ethiopian_a act._n 8._o 27._o see_v esa_n 56._o 3._o 4._o 5._o now_o to_o your_o second_o reason_n the_o 2._o reason_n against_o baptise_v of_o infant_n answer_v r._n clifton_n but_o have_v thus_o discover_v the_o weakness_n of_o this_o first_o reason_n let_v we_o come_v to_o the_o next_o which_o be_v this_o reason_n 2._o because_o christ_n command_v to_o make_v disciple_n by_o teach_v they_o and_o then_o to_o baptise_v they_o mat._n 28._o 19_o joh._n 4._o 1._o but_o infant_n can_v not_o by_o doctrine_n become_v christ_n disciple_n and_o so_o can_v not_o by_o the_o rule_n of_o christ_n be_v baptize_v answer_n 1._o the_o apostle_n be_v indeed_o command_v to_o make_v disciple_n and_o to_o call_v unto_o the_o faith_n and_o fellowship_n of_o the_o gospel_n not_o only_o the_o jew_n but_o the_o gentile_n throughout_o the_o world_n and_o give_v they_o power_n to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n which_o before_o have_v be_v preach_v to_o abraham_n gal._n 3._o 8._o and_o to_o baptise_v all_o that_o do_v receive_v it_o and_o this_o we_o grant_v that_o faith_n must_v go_v before_o baptism_n in_o all_o such_o as_o be_v to_o be_v make_v disciple_n and_o bring_v into_o the_o covenant_n of_o god_n so_o go_v faith_n before_o circumcision_n abraham_n first_o believe_v &_o after_o be_v circumcise_v and_o likewise_o must_v all_o they_o which_o with_o abraham_n enter_v into_o god_n covenant_n first_o believe_v and_o then_o be_v baptize_v as_o the_o eunuch_n act._n 8._o 37._o lydia_n act._n 16._o 15._o &_o the_o keeper_n of_o the_o prison_n verse_n 33._o but_o when_o such_o have_v receve_v the_o faith_n then_o be_v their_o infant_n and_o household_n capable_a also_o of_o baptism_n as_o abraham_n family_n be_v of_o circumcision_n he_o believe_v the_o promise_n gen._n 17._o &_o therefore_o it_o be_v write_v that_o when_o god_n open_v the_o hart_n of_o lydia_n that_o she_o do_v attend_v to_o the_o word_n that_o paul_n preach_v and_o beleve_v not_o only_o she_o herself_o but_o all_o her_o household_n be_v baptize_v and_o yet_o be_v there_o no_o mention_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o any_o of_o they_o save_v 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