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A10373 The prerogative of parlaments in England proued in a dialogue (pro & contra) betweene a councellour of state and a iustice of peace / written by the worthy (much lacked and lamented) Sir W. R. Kt. ... ; dedicated to the Kings Maiesty, and to the House of Parlament now assembled ; preserued to be now happily (in these distracted times) published ... Raleigh, Walter, Sir, 1552?-1618. 1628 (1628) STC 20649; ESTC S1667 50,139 75

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confirme the great Charter For by reason of the vvars in France the losse of Rochell hee vvas then enforced to cōsent to the Lords in all they demanded In the 10●● of his reigne hee fined the citty of London at 50000 markes because they had receiued Lewes of France In the 11 th yeare in the Parliament at Oxford he revoked the great charter being granted vvhen he vvas vnder age gouerned by the Earle of Pembroke the Bishop of Winchester In this 11 th yeare the Earles of Cornevvall Chester Marshall Edward Earle of Pembroke Gilbert Earle of Gloucester Warren Hereford Ferrars Warwicke others rebelled against the King constrained him to yeeld vnto them in vvhat they demaunded for their particular interest vvhich rebellion being appeased he sayled into France in his 15 th yeare he had a 15 th of the temporality a disme a halfe of the Spirituality and vvithall escuage of euery Knights fee. COVNS But what say you to the Parliament of Westminster in the 16 th of the king where notwithstanding the wars of France and his great charge in repulsing the Welsh rebels he was flatly denyed the Subsedie demaunded IVST I confesse my Lord that the house excused themselues by reason of their pouerty and the Lords taking of Armes in the next yeare it was manifest that the house was practised against the king And was it not so my good Lord thinke you in our two last Parliaments for in the first euen those whom his Majestie trusted most betrayed him in the vnion in the secōd there were other of the great ones ran counter But your Lordship spake of dangers of Parliaments in this my Lord there was a deniall but there was no danger at all But to returne where I left what got the Lords by practizing the house at that time I say that those that brake this staffe vpon the K. were ouerturned with the counterbuffe for hee resumed all those lands which hee had given in his minority hee called all his exacting officers to accompt hee found them all faulty hee examined the corruption of other magistrates and from all these he drew sufficient mony to satisfie his present necessity whereby hee not onely spared his people but highly contented them with an act of so great Iustice Yea Hubert Earle of Kent the chiefe justice whom hee had most trusted and most advanced was found as false to the King as any one of the rest And for conclusion in the end of that yeare at the assemblie of the States at Lambeth the King had the fortith part of euery mans goods given him freely towards his debts for the people who the same yeare had refused to giue the King any thing when they sawe hee had squeased those spunges of the common wealth they willingly yeelded to giue him satisfaction COVNS But I pray you what became of this Hubert whō the King had favoured aboue all men betraying his Majestie as he did IVST There were many that perswaded the King to put him to death but he could not be drawne to consent but the King seized vpon his estate which was great yet in the end hee left him a sufficient portion and gaue him his life because hee had done great service in former times For his Majestie though hee tooke advantage of his vice yet hee forgot not to haue consideration of his vertue And vpon this occasion it was that the King betrayed by those whom hee most trusted entertayned strangers and gaue them their offices and the charge of his castles and strong places in England COVNS But the drawing in of those strangers was the cause that Marshall Earle of Pembroke moued warre against the King IVST It is true my good Lord but hee was soone after slaine in Ireland and his whole masculine race ten yeres extinguished though there were fiue sonnes of them Marshall being dead who was the mouer and ring-leader of that warre the King pardoned the rest of the Lords that had assisted Marshall COVNS What reason had the King so to doe IVST Because he was perswaded that they loued his person only hated those corrupt Counselours that then bare the greatest sway vnder him as also because they were the best men of warre hee had whom if he destroyed hauing warre with the French he had wanted Commanders to haue served him COVNS But what reason had the Lords to take armes IVST Because the King entertayned the Poictoui●s were not they the Kings vassals also Should the Spaniards rebell because the Spanish King trusts to the Neopolitans Portagues Millanoies and other nations his vassals seeing those that are governed by the Vice-royes and deputies are in pollicy to be well entertayned and to be employed who would otherwise devise how to free themselues whereas beeing trusted and imployed by their Prince they entertaine themselues with the hopes that other the Kings vassals doe if the King had called in the Spaniards or other Nations not his Subjects the Nobility of England had had reason of griefe But what people did euer serue the King of England more faithfully then the Gascoynes did even to the last of the conquest of that Duchy IVST Your Lordship sayes wel I am of that opinion that if it had pleased the Queene of Eng. to haue drawne some of the chiefe of the Irish Nobility into Eng. by exchange to haue made them good freeholders in Eng. shee had saued aboue 2. millions of pounds which were consumed in times of those rebellions For what held the great Gascoigne firme to the Crowne of England of whom the Duke of Espernon married the inheritrix but his Earldome of Kendall in England whereof the Duke of Espernon in right of his wife beares the title to this day And to the same end I take it hath Iames our Soueraigne Lord given lands to divers of the Nobility of Scotland And if I were worthy to advise your Lordship I should thinke that your Lordship should do the King great service to put him in mind to prohibite all the Scottish nation to alienate and sell away their inheritance here for they selling they not only giue cause to the English to complaine that the treasure of England is transported into Scotland but his Majesty is thereby also frustrated of making both Nations one and of assuring the service and obedience of the Scots in future COVNS You say well for though those of Scotland that are advanced and enriched by the Kings Majesties will no doubt serue him faithfully yet how their heires successours hauing no inheritance to loose in England may be seduced is vncertaine But let vs goe on with our Parliament And what say you to the deniall in the 26 ● yeare of his reigne even when the King was invited to come into France by the Earle of March who had married his mother and who promised to assist the King in the conquest of many places lost IVST It is true my
his Maiesty might then in a litle rowle behold his receipts and expences hee might quiet his heart when all necessaries were provided for and then dispose the rest at his pleasure And my good Lord how excellently and easily might this haue bin done if the 400000● had beene raised as aforesaid vpon the Kings lands and wards I say that his Maiesties house his navy his guards his pensioners his munition his Ambassadors and all else of ordinary charge might haue beene defrayed and a great summe left for his Maiesties casuall expences and rewards I will not say they were not in loue with the Kings estate but I say they were vnfortunately borne for the King that crost it COVNS Well Sir I would it had beene otherwise But for the assignments there are among vs that will not willingly indure it Charity begins with itselfe shall wee hinder our selues of 50000● per annum to saue the King 20 No Sir what will become of our New-yeares gifts our presents and gratuities We can now say to those that haue warrants for money that there is not a penny in the Exchequer but the king giues it away vnto the Scots faster then it comes in IVST My Lord you say well at least you say the trueth that such are some of our answeres and hence comes that generall murmure to all men that haue money to receiue I say that there is not a penny giuen to that nation be it for seruice or otherwise but it is spread over all the kingdome yea they gather notes and take copies of all the priuy seales and warrants that his Maiesty hath given for the money for the Scots that they may shew them in Parliament But of his Maiesties gifts to the English there is no bruite though they may be tenne times as much as the Scots And yet my good Lord howsoeuer they be thus answered that to them sue for money out of the Exchequer it is due to them for 10 or 12 or 20 in the hundred abated according to their qualities that sue they are alwaies furnished For conclusion if it would please God to put into the Kings heart to make their assignations it would saue him many a pound and gaine him many a prayer and a great deale of loue for it grieueth every honest mans heart to see the abūdance which euen the petty officers in the Exchequer and others gather both from the king and subiect and to see a world of poore men runne after the King for their ordinary wages COVNS Well well did you never heare this old tale that when there was a great contention about the weather the Seamen complaining of contrary windes when those of the high Countreyes desired raine and those of the valleyes sunshining dayes Iupiter sent them word by Mercury then when they had all done the weather should be as it had bin And it shall euer fall out so with them that complaine the course of payments shall be as they haue beene what care we what petty fellowes say or what care wee for your papers haue not we the Kings eares who dares contest with vs though we cannot be revenged on such as you are for telling the trueth yet vpon some other pretence wee 'le clap you vp and you shall sue to vs ere you get out Nay wee 'le make you confesse that you were deceiued in your proiects and eate your owne words learne this of me Sir that as a little good fortune is better then a great deale of vertue so the least authority hath advantage ouer the greatest wit was he not the wisest man that said the battaile was not to the strongest nor yet bread for the wise nor riches to men of vnderstanding nor fauour to men of knowledge but what time chance came to them all IVST It is well for your Lordship that it is so But Qu Elizabeth would set the reason of a meane man before the authority of the greatest Councellor she had and by her patience therein shee raised vpon the vsuall and ordinary customes of London without any new imposition aboue 50000● a yeare for though the Treasurer Burleigh and the Earle of Leicester and Secretary Walshingham all three pensioners to Customer Smith did set themselues against a poore waiter of the Custome-house called Carwarden and commaunded the groomes of the privy Chamber not to giue him accesse yet the Queene sent for him and gaue him countenance against them all It would not serue the turne my Lord with her when your Lordships would tell her that the disgracing her great officers by hearing the complaints of busie heads was a dishonour to herselfe but shee had alwaies this answere That if any man complaine vniustly against a Magistrate it were reason he should be severely punished if iustly shee was Queene of the small aswell as of the great and would heare their complaints For my good Lord a Prince that suffereth himselfe to be besieged forsaketh one of the greatest regalities belonging to a Monarchie to wit the last appeale or as the French call it le dernier resort COVNS Well Sir this from the matter I pray you go on IVST Then my Lord in the kings 15 th yeare he had a tenth and at fifteene graunted in Parliament of London And that same yeare there was a great Councell called at Stamford to which diuerse men were sent for of diuerse counties besides the Nolility of whom the K. tooke advice whether he should continue the war or make a finall end with the French COVNS What needed the king to take the advice of any but of his owne Councell in matter of peace or warre IVST Yea my Lord for it is said in the Prouerbes where are many counsellers there is health And if the king had made the warre by a generall consent the kingdome in generall were bound to maintaine the warre and they could not then say when the King required ayde that he vndertooke a needlesse warre COVNS You say well but I pray you go on IVST After the subsedy in the 15 yeare the King desired to borrow 10000 l of the Londoners which they refused to lend COVNS And was not the King greatly troubled therewith IVST Yea but the King troubled the Londoners soone after for the king tooke the advantage of a ryot made vpon the Bishop of Salisbury his men sent for the Maior and other the ablest cittizens committed the Maior to prison in the Castle of Windsor and others to other castles and made a Lord VVarden of this citty till in the end what with 10000 l ready money and other rich presents insteed of lending 10000 l it cost them 20000 l. Betweene the fifteenth yeare and twentith yeare hee had two aydes giuen him in the Parliaments of VVinchester and VVestminster and this later was given to furnish the Kings iourney into Ireland to establish that estate which was greatly shaken since the death of the Kings Grandfather who receiued thence yearely 30000 l and during the