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A03833	A reioynder to Doctor Hil concerning the descense of Christ into Hell Wherein the answere to his sermon is iustlie defended, and the roust of his reply scraped from those arguments as cleanlie, as if they had neuer bene touched with that canker. By Alexander Hume, Maister of Artes. Heere, besides the reioynder, thou hast his paralogismes: that is, his fallacies and deceits in reason pointed out, and numbered in the margin: amounting to the nomber of 600. and aboue: and yet not half reckoned.	Hume, Alexander, schoolmaster.	1594 (1594)	STC 13948; ESTC S121138	156,659	193

heere now knowe if you knowe it not that I haue such reasons not to take your signification of SHEOL heere as shoulde carie you as well as mee if your wit were not maried to your wil. First though the Assyrians and Babilonians of whome the Prophetes speak in these places were heathens and damnable miscreants yet it was not their purpose to speake heere of their aeternall damnation but of the dishonorable destruction of their temporal kingdomes Secondlie that which Esay in the 9. vers calleth Hell he calleth four times the graue and twise the pit in the same chap. Thirdlie in the same ver which you quote hee saieth that hell raising vp the dead even all the Princes of the earth did meete the king of Babell But all the dead euen the Princes of the earth were not in the Hell of the dāned Fourthlie in the 11. ver he calleth the place into the which the King of Babell was brought the graue with wormes vnder and ouer him But that cannot be the place of the damned Ergo the place of which he speketh heere cannot be the place of the damned Fiftlie in the 15. and 16. verses hee saieth When hee was brought downe to the graue to the sides of the pit they that sawe him shoulde say is this hee that made the earth to tremble But men coulde not see and looke into his falling into the place of the damned Ergo the place whereof he there speaketh is not the place of the damned Thus much for Esay For Ezechiel First in the 14. verse he joyneth the lower-moste parts of the earth with them that goe downe into the pit and in the 16. verse hee joineth the going to hell with the same But to descend into the pit is to goe downe into the graue not into hell Ergo both the lower-most partes of the earth and SHEOL heere is taken for the graue Secondlie in the same 14. verse the nether partes of the earth is the pit and place of death common to all the children of men But the pit and place of death common to all men is not the place of the damned Ergo the low er-most partes of the earth is not heere the place of the damned Thirdlie in the 16. verse The Lord did make the nations of the earth to shake at the sound of his fall when he did cast him downe into Hell But the nations of the earth heard not nor felt not his fall into the Hell of the damned Ergo this is not vnderstood of the Hell of the damned All these reasons had I and they made mee dare to translate SHEOL not the place of the damned but graue And therfore M. Doctor you may cease to wonder at mee if you will And nowe I must wonder also at your manner of reasoning That the lower-moste partes of the earth doeth signifie Hell saye you I will prooue it by the 12. verse of the same Chap. of Ezech. And the strangers haue destroyed him euen the terrible nations c. Then not finding your purpose there you runne to Munster Lavater and Pellicane that the King of Asshur was the prey of carnivorous byrds and yet not finding to satisfie you you wring out a consequence that if he was deuoured of beasts then he was not buried if he was not buried then hee was not in the graue If he was not in the graue then the lowermost parts of the earth wherin he was must needs be Hell Where I tell you I must needs wonder how you could leape so many ditches without a staffe to finde Hell in this verse For all the load you lay vpon me here of ignorance misvsing the text I did not take one such leape in all my Letter As for my instance out of the 139. psalme that SHEOL doth not alwayes signifie Hell but may signifie the mothers wombe you say it is childish reason prooue it with a Catholik rule that Argumentum ductum à Metaphora non valet I knowe not what you mean by an argumēt à metaphora This is the first time that euer I hard metaphora suspected to be a topick place yet I haue heard good argumēts in metaphorical words Christ himself the best logician that euer I knew had wont to make many such As for example The seruant that putteth not his Lords talent to the vantage shal be cast into vtter darknes where shal be weping gnashing of teeth But al ministers that labour not faithfully in their charges are such Ergo all ministers that labor not faithfully in their charge shal be cast into vtter darknes c. I beleeue at the latter day when arguments wil be as well sifted as euer they were in the school-streats at Oxen. this will be found a good argument for all the metaphora that is in it As for my argument I see not how it is a metaphora Though the signification of the word be metaphorical as Caluin wel noteth yet it serueth my turne to prooue that it is not alwayes Hell And now you put me in minde of it I will picke another argument out of the same place that perhapps will trouble you worse That is the naturall signification of euery worde whence the metaphoricall is taken But this signification of these wordes the lowermost parts of the earth is taken from the dennes and cauernes of the earth as you note me out of Caluine Ergo the proper● signification of this worde is the dennes and cauernes of the earth and not Hell of the damned Of this judgement is Mercerus Cevalerus and Cornelius Bertramus in their additions to Pagnines Lexicon You confute Beza and me for applying these wordes to the place of the Ephes thus He that descended is euen the same that ascended But he ascended in soule and bodie Ergo he descended in soule and bodie which is not true of his descending into the virgins womb And here you charge vs with ignoraunce or wilfull denying the Incarnation of Christ Good M. D. vse me as you wil but be good to Beza he hath bene well thought of as yet I wonder that seeing so much against him and me you coulde not see the same against your self You hold that this is ment of his descending into the local Hell against which thus I vse your owne reason He that descended is euen the same that ascended But he ascended bodie soule Ergo he descended into Hell bodie soule a thing that you haue not yet granted Howe you will answere for your selfe I leaue it to yourself I haue answered sect 5. for Beza and me see there We denie not the incarnation of Christ you purge vs your self within fiue lines Wherfore you might haue let Theoph. alone if you had no more skill to proue thinges not denyed then the things in question and controuerted HVME Sect. 10. BVt to let you alone with your Hebrewe these wordes of the Apostle can no wayes be taken for Hell as you beare vs in hand

your self or half so indifferent as men do wish that wish you well you might haue seen that the graue is vsed by a Metonymi● for all the dead whether layd vp in the bowels of the earth or floting in the sea or devoured of rauenous beasts For the Hebrue SHEOL doth not so much signifie the graue which for want an other word we are forced to set for it by a Metonymia as that which the greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doeth better expresse by the privation of light or life separating all the dead which in Latine be called inferi and manes from the living which they call superstites And not comprysing onelie them which are buried in a graue as you do ignorantly suppose heere nor the damned as you do as wiselie hold in another place Thus the very heathens did vse this word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 saith Homer that is hee sent manie worthie soules not to the hell of tormentes that had beene a bad rewarde for their worthinesse but to the dead or to the graue So is the same word vsed by Nonnus a Christian Poet of great antiquitie in his Paraphrase vpon Iohn cap 11. speaking of Lazarus who you will not saye I hope was in Hell 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is and hearing amongst them that were dead rotten the fugitiue corps returned again out of hel The same authour in the same place vseth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the same signification whence the Latines haue borrowed their Barathrum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 That is who raised vp the dead Lazarus skipping out of the smokie gulfe and returning from the dead So the Latines vsed their Orcus and Tartarus not deuiding the damned and the saued but the dead and the living by the privation and habit of light and seeing Wher you aske mee why Dauid should speake of their temporall death which is common to all I tolde you if you will be tolde it to solace himself by the rememberance of their malice that it was not euerlasting but should cease with their short liues You conclude this section with a new syllogisme with protestation to good M. Hum● so you call him to answere it plainelie The lower partes of the earth signifie not the graue but hell Christ descended into the lower parts of the earth Ergo Christ discended into Hell Now M. Hume to deserue your good name first denies the maior secondlie he replyes to the minor that in his judgement the lowermost partes of the earth that Christ descended into may wel be taken for the base and meane estate that the sonne of God discended into vpon the earth The sonne of a Carpentar borne in a stable cradled in a cratch and living in a base estate without a hole to hide his head in was even the lowest and basest partes of the earth Hee could not well goe lower Thus Hume bids you goe your way and take this for an answere HVME Sect. 9. YOur other places be I wil pearce through all the lowermost partes of the earth and looke on them that bee a sleepe Eccles 24. And they shall be cast downe into the lowermost parts of the earth and sleep in the middest of the vncircumcised Ezech. 31. 18. which two places by your leaue cannot be well meant of Hel. Except that you can perswade vs that there is sleepe that is rest and quietnes in Hell but of the graue and state of the dead whereof wee haue as commonlie almoste as stones in the streete he did sleepe with his Fathers The same wordes ERETS TACHTITH which you say doth signifie properlie Hell be so vsed by the Prophet David Psal 139. 14. That they can no wise bee taken in that signification except it can be proued that Dauid was fashioned and made in Hell His wordes bee these My bones are not hid from thee though I was made in a secrete place and fashioned beneath in the earth Here Beza doeth well obserue that the place of the Apostle which you alledge may fitlie bee applied to the sense of this place and note vnto vs the discense of Christ into the wombe of the Virgine HIL his Reply FIrst you say the place quoted by me Syrac 24. 37 maketh not for the proofe of my assertion If you had considered what went before and what followeth you wold haue bin of another mind For before in the 8. verse is saide I alone haue gon round about al the compas of heauen and haue walked in the bottome of the depth Which depth Pellicanus alearned writer doth interpret abyssum mortis inferorum the depth of death and hel Yea the whole Chapter speaketh of the Sonne of God and of his wondrous workes in sauing mankinde of the which this is on that he was not only aliue among the liuing but after death his bodye was among the dead bodyes and his soule among the soules in hell which hee calleth the lower parts The like scripture to this is in Iob. 38. 16 17. Hast thou entered into the bottom of the sea or hast thou walked to seeke out the depth haue the gates of death bin opened vnto thee or hast thou seene the gates of the shadowe of death These words are thus opened by Martin Borrhauius in his learned Commentaries vpon Iob. I haue dwelled in the highest places and my throne is in the pillar of the cloudes I haue gone rounde about the compasse of heauen aboue and haue wallted in the flouds of y ● sea I pearce through all the lower parts of the earth Haue those in hell or the dead bin searched out of thee dost thou knowe their estate and condicion and what shall happen to their bodyes hereafter and what doth happen to their soules now The force of death and of hell hee maketh maniefest by the names of gates as it is manifest in that scripture and the gates of hell shall not prevaile against thee By these words it is euident that the nethermoste partes of the earth Syrac 24 37. and Zalmaueth the Hebrue word Iob. 38 17. doo signifie hell and that none but the Sonne of God aboue hath personaly shewed himself in all these places For the place in Ezechiel that it maketh most significantly for my purpose I wil proue it by Esay Ezech and diuers other both learned modest writers Esay 14 9. handling the same matter saith Hel beneth is moued for thee to meet thee at thy comming And Ezechiel in the 15. and 16. verses calleth it hell plainly Sith then both the prophets call it hell how dare you to interpret the graue that the nethermost parts of the earth do signifie hell I prooue it out of the 12. ver of Ezechiel And the strangers haue destroyed him euen the terrible nations and they haue left him vp on the montaines and in all the vallies his branches are broken Munster