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A45737 The foundation and rise of many of the practices, customs, and formallities of the priests, lawyers, and people of England examined, and found to be from the pope and his authority in some queries to the priests, lawyers, and professors, for any of them to answer : in order to the purging of themselves (if they can) from being truly adjudged the practisers and upholders of the Popes superstitions innovations, institutions, and imposings, since the time (and against the practises) of the Apostles, and pure primitive church / by a member of the true Church that is in God, in whose name and behalf this is printed, by me, Thomas Hart. Hart, Thomas, 1629-1704. 1659 (1659) Wing H963; ESTC R10271 22,097 31

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does not all hear your Garments stink of popery was not the Pope the first rise of all this who ravened from the Spirit since the Apostles where is your freely-received freely give is the gift of God to be sold for money to be compared or equalled or measured with earthly things oh ye are in the gall of bitterness did ever any Minister of Christ quarrel for out ward things and cast people into prison till they dye as the Priests of this Nation do keep people in prison because they will not give them maintenance keep some in prison till they die oh abominable make all your Names stink through all Nations are not your Priests and Ministers of the Nation National Priests that puts in prison those that cannot pay you Tythes and put in your mouths and you will keep them in prison till they die as some of you have done who have kept in the prison till they die are not you here as bad or worse than the Spanish for do they in Spaine keep any in prison till they die do they keep them in prison because they cannot give them maintenance or because they cannot bow to their Worships Now you that cast people into prison because they cannot pay you your Tythes and will not let them come out till they die how or wherein do you differ from the Papists Inquisition and how and who was the first author of this did Christ send you forth to do so and this work or the Apostles give you a command to do so nay you will cast them in prison and put them in prison and take trebble damage of them or three or four times the value for whom you do no work and are not Ministers too does the Papists so and cast them into prison till death what is this but like a Spanish Inquisition and the smell of popery and not the smell of a Christian are not you in this from Christ and the Apostle apostated nay is it not worse than a Spanish Inquisition for there they are carried before a Court and have a tryal and judgement but here the Priests can send to she Lawyers for a Writ and by that the Magistrate Will take their bodies and put them in prison and there keep them without either hearing trial or judgement weeks months and years yea till they die in prison Querie 12. Who made the Priests and your Ministers did not the Bishops And who made the Bishops did not the Pope and Cardinals And so has not the Pope been the Chanel that you all came out at in the Apostacy and is not he the Key and the Door you all came through which all these Tyths Temples Priests making of Priests Colledges Names after the Saints to dayes to your houses has run through his Channel and opened with his Key the Popes Key and set up by his authority Now if you do say and argue that the Pope though he was in error might make Ministers and you do succeed from the Apostles with whom Christ said he would be to the end of the world through him I say no you cannot succeed from the Apostles through him for he being Apostated inwardly ravened from the Spirit of Christ and gone from the Apostles and got the sheeps cloathing that is the outside but inwardly a ravening Wolf that is ravened over most part of Nations and he having inwardly ravened gone from the Apostles having got the Sheeps cloathing Christs and the Prophets and Apostles words the outside from him in this you are Successors as your fruits have declared who has the outside as he has the Sheeps cloathing but inwardly ravening Wolves ravening up and down for your prey and would destroy such as cannot put into your mouths and are contrary minded to you and give you Maintenance and give you Tyths which neither you nor the Pope are the Successors of the Apostles whom he would be with to the end of the world for such Christ said should come that if it was possible should deceive the very Elect in the 7. and 24. of Matthew which Paul Peter and Jude saw was come and coming and John saw already in the world and went forth from them so Mark went forth from the Apostles so not Successors such as had the Sheeps cloathing which all that dwelt upon the earth went after and all Nations came to drink the cup of Fornicat on which should make war against the Saints and overcome them them that kept the testimony of Jesus the spirit of Prophesie them that ravened from the Spirit which all the world went after and them that a welt upon the earth worshiped and here came up the first Beast and second Beast and all his Names and Heads and Horns which all that dweit upon the earth wandered after and the cry has been who is able to make war with him so these that inwardly reigned whored went forth from the Apostles with all that dwelt upon the earth went after and all Nations drunk the cup of Fornication the Kings of the earth these preached not the Gospel though they had the Sheepsclothing which were ravened from the life these were the deceivers of the World and the Nations And again the beast and false prophets should be taken and the downfal of Babylon and the great Whore judged and the Saints and the Lamb get the victory and the everlasting Gospel come to the preached to them that dwell upon the earth again for all that dwell upon the earth had worshipped the beast and drunk the cup of Fornication the Whores cup which Christ said should come which inwardly ravened which has had the Sheeps clothing these has not been the successors of the Apostles which went forth from them that is clearly seen which all Nations of the world went after and drunk their cup and so I challenge you all to answer and declare against you all to be the Popes successors and whether or no you and they be not of the stock which Christ said should come in wardly ravening got he Sheeps cloathing which went forth from the Apostles which all Nations came to drink their cup and so whether or no amongst you are not all the names heads and horns one pushing against another and whether or no you are not all wrastlers against flesh and blood and creatures you are striking them and beating them and prisoning them for your bellies yea to death did ever the Apostles do as you do prison men hale men before Courts Session Assizes prison them to death for their bellies as you do are not you here of them which serve not the Lord Jesus Christ but their own bellies which the Apostle saw amongst the apostates do not you prison them and prison to death for Tythes successors which coveted no mans silver nor gold nor apparel but gave freely do you walk in the Sheeps steps the Apostles steps that Christ saies to freely ye have received freely give Now I say you are the Popes
successors have not you Tythes as they have have not you his Houses with Crosses on them do not you observe the Names that he gave to the Colledges do not you observe the Names that he gave dayes tell me of whose Family are you there is a stop between the Pope and the Apostles and you both but you and the Pope having had both the sheeps cloathing and the Wolf covered with it and you and he and them his Company are all the wrastlers against flesh and blood instead of bringing the Creatures into the liberty of the sons of God instead of destroying the power that captivates the Creatures and causes the enmity amongst Creatures destroying the creatures that be contrary minded to you and so that is the Popes spirit indeed and differs not a whit from it and so in that you are his successors but it is not the Apostles spirit so your Ministry and spirit and the Popes is quite another than the Apostles who warstled not against flesh and blood but against the powers and spiritual wickednesses so here is your spirits and the Popes tryed and found to be in the Apostacy Querie 13. And how would you have done to have kept your Sermons in your memory had not the Bible been turned into Chapters and Verses 450 years ago and was it not the Pope and such as belonged to him that turned it into Chapters and Verses and so have not you and the Pope been upon one border having had the Sheeps cloathing but neither you nor he can endure to hear talk of the light within men the annointing within men to teach them Christ within them the Spirit within to lead them the Word within to be obeyed that which may be known of God made manifest in them to come to before they retain God in their knowledge or retain his Covenant now this with you is called non sense and whymsies which was the pure Doctrine of the Apostles before your and the Popes apostacy with which pure Doctrine you and the Pope are fathomed and comprehended to which pure Doctrine people are now come and what you ravened from and what you went from to that which they and you and ravened from who are burst into Names and Sects and Heaps wanting the inside the life amongst you having the outside the sheeps cloathing wrastling against flesh and blood destroying one another about your Worship Teaching Ministry maintenance yea as I said before prisoning to death for your Bellies Now may not all see whether you be not inwardly ravening Wolves so have ravened from the Spirit the Pope and you in which is the Unity which the Scriptures were given forth from which is the bond of peace which the Apostles were in so to that which you and the Pope went from is people now coming and come with the same they see you comprehend you and fathom you where the Apostates and Pope and you left is now people come and to that must come if they come into Unity if they come to be succeeders of the Apostles Glory to the Lord for ever the Way is found the Key is found but not in the Popes hand nor yours as the manifestation is shewed to the whole world preached on the house top by prisons by inquisitions yea by prisoning to death for your Bellies and prisoning for your Bellies and summoning people up and down from Sizes to Sessions and Courts for your Bellies and destroying one another about the Prophets Christ's and the Apostles words and burst into Names Heaps Sects Heads about them so this doth shew That neither you nor the Pope nor any of his adherers nor Apostates since the Apostles have had the Key but the Key has been taken away from people by them that went from the Apostles which in wardly ravened but the Key is found your first going out is opened and the Apostates and apostacy seen and your garments are turned up and your Wolf is seen and your Grand-father the Pope seen and you have kept the Sheeps cloathing the outside and have been fighting with one another about so the way to break off from Popery is to come to that which the Pope and his adherents and Apostates went from which they ravened from that went from the Apostles and then destroy his image root out his Name from amongst you and his marks and receive them not call not your dayes by his naming and own not him to be your Teacher the Pope deny his Doctrine and deny Heathenish practises customs deny the Heathen to teach you to call your Months and your Week-dayes deny the Pope to teach you to name your Colledges as St. Peters St. Johns Trinities c. and deny the Popes Orders amongst your Teachers that are made Teachers at your Colledges if you will be called not the successors of the Pope and will have Popery broken down amongst you and break down your Glasses which you have preached and read your Sermons by by the hour like Sayers of the Masse and so have been the limiters of the holy One and quenchers of the Spirit none must speak in the time of his Glasse here is popish like and did not the true Apostle say You may all speak One by One If any thing be revealed to another that sits by let the first hold his peace is not this confusion amongst you and sets you all in confusion and disorder Are you the successors of the Apostles their Church and Ministry nay you are declared to be Apostates from them your Goals Prisons declare it Again If you will have Popery down and the smell of it out of the Laud down with your Papists houses with Crosses on the ends of them your Steeple-house called Churches and your Pulpits and your Tythes and your Offerings and your Glesb-lands away with them come out of the Earth and abroad in the Nations preach the Gospel without Bag Judas the betrayer was of the Ministry that carried the Bag the succession of the Apostles was turned against by the Apostates them that in wardly ravened and rent forth from the Apostles and so turned against them that kept the testimony of Jesus the Spirit of Prophesie who have long ravened up and down and raigned in the world but the Saints and the Lamb shall overcome them and the everlasting Gospel shall be preached to them that dwell upon the Earth and the holy Prophets shall rejoyce over her which went forth from the Apostles which made War against the Saints that turned against the Saints which the Saints and the Lamb shall again overcome and the everlasting Gospel be preached And is it not said The blood of the Martyrs the blood of the Saints the blood of the Prophets which the Whore the Beast and the false Prophets has slain they have drunk and made themselves drunk with it and are not you of them that persecure to death that P●ison to death the Saints because they cannot give you Tythes and have not you prisoned to
death many persecuted to death many in this Nation spilt the bloud of many in this Nation of the Saints prisoned to death in York prisoned to death in Durbam prisoned to death in Norwich prisoned to death in Lancaster prisoned to death in Colchester prisoned in Appleby till a little before death and in Bristol there prisoned till carried out in a Basket beaten and bruised and bloodshed and will not the bloud of the innocent cover you ‑ and many in the Nation lyes in prison how can you say you are the Apostles successors think you the Lord will not avenge himself of you for the bloud of his Saints for the bloud of his prophets and many beaten and bruised by you in your Steeple-houses and not long lived after and have not more of the Saints been prisoned by you and for you in this Nation within these four or five years last past then was in all Queen Maries dayes and ever since by Papists and Bishops Querie 14. Where did the Apostles the true Church set some dayes apart to eat Fish and not other Flesh as many of your people does on the dayes you call Wednesdayes and Fridayes and to observe Cbristmass Easter Whitsontide calling them Feastival times and making abundance of provision destroying the Creatures using Gaming Dancing disguising themselves and play dayes when and where by Cards Dice Shovel board Drinking much filthinesse is committed and abominable practises where did the Apostles or Saints any such things pract se or observe Shrove-tuesday Good-friday Albollow day is not the Pope the Father of all such as observe these they follow his Doctrine and do not you all hold up his Doctrine power and authority that holds up St. Michaels day St. Andrews day St. Matthews d●y St. Marks day St. Maries day Chaistmass day Whitsontide Easter your Feast dayes and Fast the Evens of them and Holy Thursday and has not the Pope been your Teacher where did Peter or Paul or any of the Apostles set up Stevens day before their decease or Jobn Baptists day or any of the Saints dayes that were slain before their decease or command that any should observe their dayes after them shew it by the Scripiure or else acknowledge you have kept the people in ignorance and have held up the Popes Doctrine and yet would seem to deny him and yet his foundation is standing and you have laid no other now how can you take the Oath of Abjuration and the foundation of Popery yet standing amongst you and you have built upon it from generation to generation and have not openly declared against it but kept people in ignorance and thus has people been kept and nursed up in Superstition and Idolatry by such as you that have served your bellies and speak against the Pope in words while his foundation is lying amongst you this is the worst of mens conditions to speak a gainst men behind their backs but make use of their wisdom doctrine and understanding for their ends for their ease Come search the Scriptures and see if ever there were such things amongst the Apostles and see how far you are from the Apostles and how near of kin to the Pope do you think that all your works shall not be brought to judgement Queris 15. And how differ you from the Papists and the Pope who say the Spirit is in the Sacrament as you call it and the Pope saith it s his body after consecration and what is it that you have your priests and Teachers in England which is not from the Pope and what foundation have you to stand upon but what he has laid in all your practice as your making Ministers by Colledges as he did and doth and your Orders and degrees from him and sprinkling Infants from him and your singing Davids Conditions in Meetre from him your Tythes and Maintenance from him and your Churches from him and your Bells from him and have not you many old popish and heathenish books which your children read and are taught in and do not you set a cross before their A. B. C. calling it Christs cross and so begin to train them up in popery as soon as they can speak train them up with old Popish books and way of Learning and then send them to the papists Colledge till they be fit to go to the popish-house to get theirliving are not your daies named by the Pope and your observing of times from the Pope and the names of your Colledges from the Pope and the names of your Steeple-houses from him and the names of your week-daies and months left to you by the Pope your praying before and after Sermon left to you by Pope and your preaching by hour-glasses and your taking Texts and your Clerks to say Amen and your Ringing so many times and the setting of your Steeple-houses east and west and your churching of Women from him and your Marrying and your serving so long at Colledges before you be made Ministers from the Pope your wearing long Robes and black cloaths and your being called of men Master seeing Christ said Be not ye called of men Master and your Pulpit set in the highest place of the Assemblies from the Pope and was not he him that laid this foundation for you upon which you stand and how can you take the Oath of Abjuration when your heads are covered with Popery the Cioss stands over your houses over your heads was not your Steeple-houses from the Pope and your sweating from the Pope seeing Christ saith Swear not at all is not all your burying your people in that which hath been called hallowed ground from the Pope and your praying with two caps on your heads and preaching and yet saying if a man have a hat on he is covered Is not your Tythes Easter-reckonings Midsummer-dues Oblations Obventions Mortuaries all from the pope and did not he lay this foundation and have not you built on it and are not you building on it yet and was this the foundation of the Apostles or the Saints before their decease or the apostates from them who built all your Parsonage-houses and gave you all your Gleab-lands and the Tenths of all mens labours and who set up First-fruits and Tenths but the Pope since the dayes of the apostacy from the Apostles did not he claim them as his wages and if you have denied the Pope and his work why do you still pay his wages and take it how many hundred thousand pounds a year is gotten in this Nation by you that make a trade of the Scriptures whose foundation in so doing was never from the Apostles nor those that gave forth the Scriptures but from the pope and those that are apostated from the Apostles Now are not the hidden things of popery brought to light and ripped up as the hidden things of Esau was in the time of old now are not the Hypocrites seen that cry against the Pope in words and stands upon their foundation which is