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A70985 The reign of the whore discovered and her ruine seen her merchants the priests examined, and with the Romish church (their elder sister) compared and found agreeable in many things ... : some queries also for those people that pay tythes, and priests that receive tythes, to consider and answer : and whereas their cry hath been loud against us the people of God called Quakers, that we are Jesuits, and Jesuitical, in tryal they are found false accusers, and of the same stock and generation themselves ... : also the sustance of a dispute which was the 15th day of the 2d month, called April 1659, at the Bridge-house in Southwark, between VVilliam Cooper, VVilliam VVhitaker, Thomas VVoodsworth, VVieles, Watkins, Cradicut, and others who profess themselves ministers of Christ, and some of the people call'd Quakers ... / written in that which gives to see over all the popish train ... W.S. Smith, William, d. 1673.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. Following letter containing the substance of the dispute. 1659 (1659) Wing S204A; ESTC R33983 31,593 40

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THE Reign of the VVhore DISCOVERED And Her RVINE seen THis is a certain Truth revealed in the light and witnessed to by the Scriptures that the Whore the false Church hath long reigned in her fenced City which Cain the Vagabond and Murtherer built and long hath she been guarded and defended with Cain's Weapons carnal Weapons and long hath she sate as a queen seeing no sorrow and long hath her golden Cup passed up and down the Nations which is full of abominations of her Fornication whereby the Nations have been * corrupted and the Inhabitants of the Earth made drunk But now is the hour of her Judgement come and coming now is her skirts lifted up and her secret parts discovered and discovering and the Beast on whom she rode and rides is seen and his colour is known and her secret Chambers of Imagery is found out and her Sorceries and Witchcrafts are made manifest and many people on whom she s ate and over whom she reigned are redeemed from under her and reigns over her in Christ the Power of God which redeems and which preserves in the redemption Oh let the redeemed of the Lord praise his holy Name and walk to the praise and glory of his Grace for ever for the day is dawned wherein hypocrisie cannot stand nor hypocrites hide themselves and wherein fig-leaves cannot hide nor cover from the pure eye of the Lord God which runs to and fro through the Earth though they may be sowed together by such who have eaten of the choicest fruit the tree of knowledge of good and evil yeilds and by such who are called Orthodox men Learned men great Schollars Wise Disputants all is in valn their labour is little worth the Lord is come down to walk in the Garden and his Voice Where art thou is gone forth and now is the Lord come and coming to make inquisition for blood and to bring every man's Work to Judgement and to reward every man according to his Work And now ye Priests and Professors in Southwark especially who are called Presbyterians whose cry is very loud against us who are called Quakers and the noise among you is That we are the deceivers false prophets and wolves in sheeps clothing and that we deny the Scriptures and are Jesuits c. 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Must this be true because you say so And must the people believe you before you prove it Nay but you will be counted false accusers and fierce despisers of those that are good till you make it appear by better proofs then you could find to prove your selves Ministers of Christ at the late Dispute then you can find to quit your selves from being guilty of those things you charge us withall for indeed we count you guilty of the same things you accuse us for and ever shall unless you can clear your selves and convince us to the contrary for we see many signs marks and characters upon you and many practices among you which were never found upon nor among the true Ministers of Christ and that are not owned by the Scriptures and this hath been signified to you already at the late Dispute and in Writing also given into William Cooper's hands some Weeks since And also in a printed Paper titled The grounds and reasons why we deny the Teachers of the world Which hath been printed six years since and no Answer hath appeared from you the National Priests who are concerned therein And now seeing William Cooper and some others of your Brethren affirmed publikely that we the people called quakers are Jesuits and Jesuitical and proffered to prove their affirmation in the bitterness of their spirits therefore let us reason a little with you and prove and examine you that the people may see your Clothing or outside if not your inside to be Jesuitical at least and let us and all people know how you can quit your selves from being of that Popish Train and as for us let our integrity and innocency plead for us otherwise we shall say nothing for our selves for the Lord doth plead our cause Are not you like the Jesuits and Popish Priests First In your being made fit for your Call to your Ministry Secondly In your Call Thirdly in your going forth Fourthly In your Work called to Fifthly In your Maintenance in your Work Sixthly In your Doctrines Practices Places of Worship and manners in Worship If you say nay Make it appear not onely in Words but in Fruits not Fruits of Violence I do not mean but Fruits of the Spirit of God if you know it and answer First Are you not like the Jesuits and Popish Priests in preparing your selves and making your selves fit for your Call to your Ministry you profess Are you not prepared and fitted at those Schools and Colledges first ordained by the Pope Doth not learning some natural Languages and Arts as Logick and Rhetorick and such like make you fit for your Call And are not the Popish Priests and Jesuits made fit after this manner in such places and by such means for their Call Then are you nor like them in this thing And was ever any of the Ministers of Christ fitted and prepared after this manner that he sent forth Secondly Are you not called appointed and ordained by men to preach And do you not count that your Call if you have the approbation of some that are counted Orthodox men which have learned the natural Tongues and Arts that are taught in the Popish Schools and Colledges And are not the Popish Priests and Jesuits called and approved after this manner And are you not like them in this also Was ever Christ's Ministers called by man or approved by man Thirdly In your yoing forth to preach are you like the Ministers of Christ Do you go gorth freely and minister freely from City to City and Nation to Nation as the Ministers of Christ did Have you received freely Have not you bought what you have with money And do you not strive to get the best Market place you can to sit down into sell it again even at a deer rate And are not the Popish old Mas-houses your Market-places where you abide many times for term of life Are not you the creepers the Apostle spoke of that should creep into houses and lead silly Women captive laden with sin led aside with divers lusts ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth Are not all your followers such Doth not your fruits make you appear to be such house-creepers as were in the Apostles dayes Is not this the Popish Priests manner Do not they go forth in this way Are not you careless Watchmen and dreaming Prophets and idle Shepherds Do you not say we are Wolves And have we not had meetings several years in many of your Folds called parishes in over which you count your selves good Wattchmen and true Shepherds But when did either of you or any of you parish-Masters who would have others count
way of maintenance in your ministry by Tithes and gleab-lands and Easter reckonings and so much a year out of your Parish did not all this proceed out of the Church of Rome and was not in the day of the Apostles nor practised by Christs ministers but from the Whore you have had this also this way of being maintained and suing people at the Law for your Tithes and for your money Christs ministers never did thus but the Churh of Rome hath been the originall of all these things and practises and from whence had you this practice of sprinkling infants and calling it the Baptisme into the faith and into the visible church did not this come from Rome and have not you received it from thence if there was any such Institution or Practice amongst the Apostles prove it by Scripture else we will not believe you but must tell you the originall of this came from Rome and you have drunken the Whores cup and been made drunk thereby so now when we examine you throughly in your wayes and practices we find you agreeing with the Jesuites in many things and while you accuse others your selves are guilty and now people begins to see your shame and you cannot hide it for the witness is risen in people and the seed of God is coming forth which tramples over and treads down the false church and all her false ordinances and institutions and her cup must be broken to pieces and she shall no more make the Nations drunk and as for you false ministers though you pray and preach and cry against Heresie and Error and would beg Laws to suppresse it as ye say yet your selves are found guilty of the error and you want the spirit of truth to guide you and your own hearts are not cleansed and then how can you cleanse others and that which you call error and heresie is truth for your judgements are corrupted and your eye is blind and what you know you know naturally and not by the teachings of the spirit of God but by Traditions and by the words of other men without you and the holy anointing in your own selves you know not for you have not received it And whereas you queried whether the Scriptures were the word of God and the rule of life I do now answer The Scriptures were given forth by the spirit of God and are the words of God the word was in them that gave them forth and Christ is that word and the Scriptures testifie of him the Scriptures are not the rule of life but the spirit that gave them forth that is the rule to the children of God for as many as are the sons of God are led by the spirit of God and them that walk according to that rule of the spirit peace is upon them and so it is the spirit of God that gave forth the Scriptures that is the rule of life and not the Scriptures yet where the spirit is the rule it leadeth up according to the Scriptures in the fulfilling of them and as for ye hypocrites who do profess the Scriptures to be your rule and yet walks contrary to the Scriptures your own rule condemns you and out of your own mouths will the Lord judge you Is the Scripture your rule to preach for hire and to have so much a year for preaching and if any will not pay them to sue them at the Law and take their goods by violence and to cast their bodies into prison this is the practice of many ministers in this nation but what rule in all the Scripture have you for these things or vvhat example saving from the false Prophets false Apostles and vvhat rule have you in all the Scriptures for sprinkling of infants and calling it Baptisme into the faith and what rule have you to take Tithes and are not you hypocrites to professe the Scriptures to be your rule and yet act these things which the Scripture neither gives Commandment nor example for but the rather bears witness against but who hath the spirit and walks by that rule sees you and judges you who are out of the life of the Scriptures in the life that is contrary and with the spirit of God are you reproved in all your wayes of darknesse and error And whereas you queried concerning the light within we do say that Christ the second A●am lighteneth all mankind that be come into the world and this light John bare witness of and it shined in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not and that was it that enlightened every man that cometh into the world and this light brings all to receive Christ that doth believe and they that believe not this light is their condemnation and though you stumble at this stumbling stone as your Fathers the Jews did yet unto us that do believe Christ the light of the world is precious and all that comes to the knowledge of God must come to the true knowledge by the light that shines 〈…〉 hearts for it is the light that shines in the heart that gives the knowledge of God and although you wise builders do stumble at the foundation yet it will break you to pieces and confound you utterly for the light is risen in the hearts of many which light gives them the knowledge of God and the knowledge of you and all your false wayes of error and brings men to depart from them all and to follow the Lord in righteousness and so every man is lightened that they may believe and they that believe and walk in the light shall be saved but they that believe not but hate the light shall be condemned and this is their condemnation that light is come into the world and into their hearts and as for you you are but shallow men for you want the knowledge of God and truth stands over you though you oppose it and it will grow to a Mountain where all the Righteous shall be refreshed and the Lord is begun to work in the earth he hath set his hand to pull down Babylon and there shall not one stone be left upon another and all her Merchandise shall fail and her strong holds shall be broken down and all her Merchants shall howl and lament therefore now consider it ye Leaders of the people the day of the visitation is now but it will suddenly be shut up with the night of darkness upon you and you will be wounded and you can never be healed you will be ruined and can never be revived This is from a lover of your Souls EDWARD BURROUGH Something after AND now you Priests the black Clergy of England who count your selves Orthodox men sound able Ministers of the Gospell of Christ know and consider and let it be known to and considred by all people that we slander you not nor do you no wrong in disowning you to be the Ministers of Christ and in comparing you to the black bloody Popish trait your