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B20526	The font-guard routed, or, A brief answer to a book written by Thomas Hall superscribed with this title, The font guarded with 20 arguments therein endeavouring to prove the lawfulness of infant baptism wherein his arguments are examined and being weighed in the ballance of the sanctuary are found too light : the most considerble of Mr. Baxters arguments for infant-baptism being produced by Tho. Hall are here answered likewise / written by Tho. Collier ; to which is added A word of reply to Tho. Halls word to Collier and another to John Feriby's [ap]pendix called The pulpit-guard relieved ; with An answer to Richard Sanders's pretended Balm to heal religious wounds, in answer to The pulpit-guard routed : with an humble representation of some few proposals to the honorable committee appointed by the Parliament for propagation of the Gospel.	Collier, Thomas, fl. 1691.	1652 (1652)	Wing C5285; ESTC R5188	90,512	112

Mat. 28. 19. you say Christ Commandeth his Disciples and in them all Ministers successively to the end of the world to go and baptize Nations you say Children are a part of the Nations therefore they are commanded to be baptized but there is as you afterwards confess a Discipling first Disciple Nations baptizing them and here is no command for Infant-baptism but for the baptism of Disciples you pretend to put off this with the dangerousness of building Arguments on the bare placing of words in Scripture you produce Repentance and Judas's sop Repentance sometimes placed before Faith yet we know it is a fruit of Faith I answer it is such a fruit of faith as is individual and upon a right understanding Repentance may as well be said to go before as to follow after for it is a change of the mind and I querie whether any man did ever believe or can believe before his mind is changed its true after believing the change is perfected more and more But this is it which I affirm That no man believes savingly without or before a change of the mind which produceth a change of the conversation As for the Sop neither Matthew nor Mark saith that Judas received it before the Sacrament Matthew saith chap. 26. 23. He that dippeth with me in the dish shall betray me but he doth not express when it was done before or after so Mark expresseth chap. 14. 20. That he that dippeth with him in the dish should betray him but he doth not tell whether it was before or after therefore what Luke saith is no contradiction but rather a clearer explanation And whereas you say you will upon the account of placing words easily prove Baptism to be before Preaching Mark 1. 4. John did baptize in the Wilderness and preach c. Here Baptism is set before Preaching say you c. but this is answered and explained by Matthew Chap. 3. 1 2. John the Baptist preached in the Wilderness of Judea saying Repent for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand and ver 5 6. they were baptized of him in Jordan And this is according to the Analogie of Scripture Preaching Discipling believing confessing of sins repenting before baptizing and produce if you can that ever baptizing was set before believing c. and not explained by another Scripture as that of Mark explained by Matthew and then take heed fear and tremble to change Scripture phrases at your pleasure for your own ends taking that first which is and must be last You may upon this very account turn out and contradict all the most precious truth of God in Scripture and this very thing strikes at it for the reason why Teaching Discipling and Faith is to precede baptism is evident that it is because its Christs appointment and there is a necessity that faith go before works for there is no work acceptable before or without faith but Thomas Hall will have works go before faith baptism before faith though Christ hath said the contrary and so make void the Law of Christ and the Faith of Jesus lay another foundation works before faith baptism before believing and so teach men to sin For what-soever is not of faith is sin And he that breaketh one of the least Commands and teacheth men so to do shall be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven Mat. 5. 19. What then shall become of those who break the great commands of Faith and Baptism that overturn the very foundation setting up works before and without Faith and that you may do it you chop and change the Scripture that so you may accomplish your own designs upon the account of Christ But all your Logical Arguments and humane distinctions will not cannot satisfie those whose eyes are enlightned to see out of obscurity and out of darkness So the truth stands firm as Christ himself that is first disciple then baptize and the practise of the Apostles answered this Command they never baptized any in the Nations but Disciples And this word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Disciple all Nations holds forth the breaking down of that middle wall of partition and so the going forth of the Gospel to the Gentiles for so that word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifieth Gentiles as well as Nations and it intends not all Nations viz. every one in the Nations but all that believed and became Disciples in the Nations Act. 10. 35. In every Nation he that feareth God and worketh righteousnes shall be accepted Now where is your command Sir for your practise so much pleaded for for you confess pa. 28. That this place speaks properly of the order prescribed for conversion of Heathens that were adult Then you have no command in this Scripture for your practise you are lost upon your own account You grant page 29. That all baptized ones must be taught but not all at the same time such as are capable of teaching are to be taught before baptizing but Infants of believers are to be baptized first and taught afterward But you have no Scripture for this it seems your word must stand for proof to those who will believe it you instance 2 Thess 3. 10. He that will not labour must not eat Infants cannot labour yet they must eat True but what is that to the thing in hand Do you think the Apostle intended that to give advantage to you to overturn the Commands of Christ there is a necessity for Infants to eat but none to be baptized unless there be a necessity to break the Law of Christ and a necessity to make them hypocrites c. You say There is a teaching after baptizing Mat. 28. 20. A teaching before and after and that baptizing is set in the middle implying that some must be taught before viz. Heathens some after viz. Infants of believers But you are much mistaken in the second but it implyeth that there is a teaching before for the working of faith and a teaching after for the building them up in the same faith for that end God hath appointed Prophets Pastors and Teachers in the Church and those Acts 2. 41. that were baptized ver 42. continued stedfast in the Apostles doctrine c. So that this is the teaching before and after baptism there intended You confess page 31. notwithstanding your bold assertion in your Argument That all your Command is but a consequential command and something equivalent to a command an implicite command a necessary consequence c. I advise you to take heed first how you lay down Arguments for the future in such positive terms to delude the simple yet confess at last it is but a necessary consequence 2. A little consider how necessary the consequence is it is such a consequence as first makes void the command of Christ 2. Makes null the Gospel of grace setting up works before and without faith 3. Makes all your worship vain In vain saith Christ do ye worship God teaching for doctrines the traditions of

have no original sin c. Ans If they have will your outward outside pretended Covenant and Seal wash it away how then doth it leave them children of wrath still as the heathens Oh sad unheard of contradictions They are not excluded from the preaching of the Gospel the ordinary means 8. You say This robs Infants of their right Parents of their comfort the Church of her members Christ of his merits and God of his glory Ans I tell you there is a great cry and but little wooll when looked after 1. Children of their rights When Christ in the Gospel hath nowhere given them that right Secondly when they have it given them it is such a right as deludes them there is nothing in it but words and wind 2. Parents of their comfort What comfort is it to parents who understand and are not as ignorant as their babes to have their children cheated sealed with a blank or a counterfeit that can do them no good 3. The Church of its members Alas of what use are such members in the Church of Christ Did you ever find such members there There are or should be none but useful members 4. Christ of his merits Did Christ merit baptism for Infants if so you should have proved it Or purchase his Church Act. 20. 28. Eph. 5. 25. 5. And God of his glory What glory would Infants bring to God in the Church of Christ Can they worship spiritually Such he seeks to worship him Joh. 4. 24. can they offer up spiritual sacrifice acceptable c This is the work of the Church of Christ 1 Pet. 2 5. and they that cannot do this dishonour God in his Church and have nothing to do to be there These things thus considered I leave the Reader to judge who dishonor God most those who contrary to his revealed will thrust upon him of their own heads a company of ignorant dead members that do not know him and cannot worship or those who according to his revealed will endeavour to keep the Church pure and admit none but those they judge living members knowing that none else can offer to him living sacrifice acceptable c. The seventeenth Argument From the benefit that redounds both to parents and their children 1. Much comfort comes hereby to Parents when they consider Gods free grace to them and theirs c. Ans 1. There is no such thing in the Gospel covenant as hath been already proved neither have you nor can you produce any such word in the Gospel-covenant but that he is a God a Father to the true seed viz. the seed of Christ and none else are accounted for the seed they and they onely who believe have received this priviledge this right to be called the children of God Joh. 1. 12. And then 2. What comfort can it be to Parents to have their Children called and accounted that which indeed at present they are not nor have no right so to be called or accounted For the Covenant of grace is this I will write my Law in their heart c. so will I be a God unto you c. And ye shall no more teach one another saying Know the Lord for ye shall all know me from the greatest to the least They that are accounted to be in this Covenant are such as know the Lord by vertue of their being taught of him And this is set in opposition to the Covenant of the Law which was made with the natural seed which were a people for the most part not knowing God But it is not so in the Gospel-Covenant there are none but those who know the Lord c. Jer. 3 31. Heb 8. 10 11. Therefore I say again that it is but little comfort to those Parents who are not more ignorant then their Infants to have their Children called and accounted that which they are not to have their Children as you say admitted into Christs school members of his Church sheep of his fold distinguished from heathens c. What true comfort can it be to Parents or benefit to Infants to have all these outward things you pretend they gain by it and yet may be without the truth of all and are as you confess Children of wrath as well as the children of heathens Is not this the way to lead them on in a fools paradise make them have good conceits of themselves that they are in the Covenant and so delude and undo them for ever And the truth is and Christ hath said it Joh. 10. 9. that He is the door into the sheepfold viz. the Church and none can enter in but by him and those who enter by him shall be saved and shall go in and out and find pasture They shal not be mocked cheated with an outside Covenant-holines Church membership c. as you serve the Children of the Nation but they shall be saved c. The eighteenth Argument All will-worship must be avoided But the refusing to baptize Infants of Christian parents till they come to years of discretion is will-worship Ergo It must be avoided Your Minor is denied You pretend to prove it with another Argument wherein your weakness appears the Argument is That which hath neither precept nor president for it in the word of God is will-worship But the deferring the baptizing the Infants of Christian parents hath neither precept nor president for it in the word of God Ergo It is will-worship Ans 1. That the weight of your Argument may the better appear unto the Reader I shall give another Argument as well grounded as yours That which hath neither precept nor president for it in the word of God is will-worship But the deferring the baptizing of the Infants of Heathen parents hath neither precept nor president for it in the word of God Ergo It is will-worship Secondly I answer That which hath neither precept nor president for it in the word of God is will-worship But the baptizing of Infants of believing parents hath neither precept nor president in the word of God Ergo it is will-worship You confess 't is true Men of years professing faith are fit subjects of Baptism So then upon your own confession we take the fit subjects But not the onely subjects excluding Infants c. Although the Scripture excludes all except men of years professing faith I prove it thus If there but one water-baptism mentioned in the Gospel as an Ordinance of Christ by way of precept and president and that is to persons of years professing faith then all others are excluded But there is but one water-baptism mentioned in the Gospel as an Ordinance of Christ by way of precept and president and that is to persons of years professing faith Ergo All others are excluded Mat. 28. 19. Mar. 16. 16. Act. 2. 38 39 41. Act. 8. 12. You require a president for it Let any man shew but one example of any Child of God that ever kept his Child unbaptized till he could

it to Infants because of their health Answ First is not this Country hot enough to Dip they had winter who dipped as well as we but no wonder if it be dangerous to the health of Infants let it be administred to the right Subjects viz. Believers and you need not doubt of dipping Whereas you question it for sick and old folks pag. 115. I say there is no such necessity to Baptize such in Winter God will have mercy and not sacrifice let them stay till Summer but take heed change not the Ordinance from Dipping to Sprinkling that is a dangerous thing But you confess pag. 114. That dipping is a lawfull manner of Baptizing in this you have confuted all you have said to this particular either before or after For if dipping be a lawfull manner of Baptizing then first sprinkling is unlawfull for there is but one lawfull way of baptizing the Scripture I am sure mentions no more there is but one Baptism 2. Then our dipping is lawfull 3. You have done ill service in all you have said to render a practise so contemptible which is as you confess in it self lawfull 1. You say The Scripture cals sprinkling baptizing Ans No such thing Let any examine the Scriptures you produce see if you speak true or false Heb. 9. 10 13 19 21. You say the word signifieth washing as well as dipping Ans Granted but sprinkling is neither washing nor dipping 2. In Circumcision a little skin in one part only was cut off An. That was done according to the command so should Baptism which is a dipping as you confess and we may not make our selves wiser then Christ in inventing new wayes that he never required therein we do indeed shew our pride and are but fools 3. Washing sprinkling is a safer way c. Ans 1. Sprinkling is not washing but dipping is 2. As to safety in doubtfull cases I have answered already 4. Sprinkling is sufficient because the thing signified is set forth by sprinkling c. Ans There is no such thing for though the blood of Christ be one thing signified in Baptism yet there are other things signified in it and yet sprinkling doth not reach this of the applying the blood of Christ so fully as dipping which is a washing of the whole man representing that as truly as the whole body is washed by dipping in water so those who are baptized upon the true account shal be wholly washed from not only the guilt of sin but from the filth and presence of it Which shall be my 3. ground that dipping and not sprinkling is the true Baptism 3. Because the things signified are not so significantly resembled in sprinkling as they are in baptizing viz. in dipping 1. As I have already said the whole washing away of sin 2. An outward conformity to Christ in his death burial and resurrection wherein is represented our spiritual death to sin and resurrection to newness of life Rom. 6. 3 4 5. and this is not cannot be resembled by sprinkling And notwithstanding you are pleased in way of reproach to say Then they must drown themselves under water as Christ lay buried three dayes c. Note here you say they must lie three dayes under water yet before you confess dipping is a lawful way of baptizing You say Should you grant a necessity of this resemblance and representation yet why may not sprinkling represent it as well c Ans 1. I leave it to all rational men to judge whether sprinkling a little water in the face doth represent a death and burial with Christ as well as a dipping into and under water 2. I shall give you the Judgment of one approved and learned Mr. Tho. Goodwin in his Support of faith from Christs resurrection ch 7. p. 54. He saith Rom. 6. 3 4. We are said to be buried with him in baptism Col. 2. 12. Buried with him in baptism It is not simply said Like as he was buried c. but Buried with him So our communion and oneness with him in his resurrection is represented to us therein and not only our conformity or likeness unto him therein And so Baptism representeth this to us that Christ having once in himself sustained the persons of all the elect in his burial and resurrection that now upon the party himself is personally particularly and apparently reacted the same part again in his baptism thereby shewing what his communion with Christ before was in what was done to Christ that he then was buried with Christ and rose with him and upon that ground is now in this outward sign of Baptism as in a shew or representation both buried and also riseth again Thus far Tho. Goodwin You say If dipping be true baptizing which you have already granted that dipping is lawfull baptizing yet here you put an if to it as if you had forgotten what you had said before but it 's no wonder for it is usual with you then some that have been dipt by Popish Priests have been rightly baptized Ans We deny it for though you have lost the right way of doing it as well as the subject yet we do not say that those Infants that are dipt are rightly baptized because you fail in the right subject viz. Believers Only we cannot but take notice of the just hand of God in it against you that having transgressed in taking Infants in stead of Believers you should change the very thing and do another thing in stead of baptism viz sprinkle that so you might have the less to say in your own cause Thus have you fulfilled that word Isa 24. 5. Transgressed the Law changed the Ordinances broken the everlasting Covenant applying it to the natural seed when it belongs to none but the spiritual How you will avoid that curse I know not You say It is the custome and practise of all Reformed Churches to baptize by sprinkling c. Ans What of that if it contradict Scripture which is the rule of Saints You have confessed that dipping is a lawful baptizing and there is but one lawful baptizing therefore we must do that which is lawfull though all people in the world do contrary The 4. ground why sprinkling is not baptizing is from the custom retained from the Primitive times as it is probable And give me leave in this to conclude thus much that I may much safer conclude this it being so agreeable with the analogie of Scripture then you can take up the whole practise upon that account I say Dipping in all Ages hath been the practise whether Believers or Infants The History I mentioned before of Joannes Boemus in the Manners and Customs of all Nations p. 159. Infants were dipped in the holy Font. In Simpsons History of the Church in the fourth Councel of Toledo it was ordered that there should be but one dipping in baptism p. 527. An 639. And the Church of Rome from whence you came retains by tradition Dipping and Sprinkling is