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A71196 Utrum horum, or, God's ways of disposing of kingdoms and some clergy-men's ways of disposing of them. Lloyd, William, 1627-1717.; William III, King of England, 1650-1702. 1691 (1691) Wing U231; ESTC R1713 63,859 133

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by the just Sentence of God who thus puts him out of a Trust that he abused to the hurt of them for whose sakes it was given him And as to the people it cannot be a Conquest over them who are so far from having the War made against them that it was made chiefly for their sakes If there be any pretence of a Conquest it is only over them that were their Oppressors p. 66 67. An Answer to Mr. Ashton's Paper c. THE Matter in dispute is not whether Rightful Lawful Kings are to be obeyed but who in our present Circumstances is our Rightful Lawful Sovereign not whether Kings be not God's Vicegerents but whether God doth not sometimes confer the Right of Sovereignty by a Law superiour to the Laws of particular Countries that is by the Law of Nations which establisheth such a Right upon the success of a Just War not whether Sovereign Princes are not accountable only to God but whether Allegiance be not due where the Rights of Sovereignty are placed by an extraordinary Act of Providence and the concurrent Consent of the Nation p. 9 10. We must of necessity look back to the Occasions of this great Revolution And there were two principal Occasions of it First Great and violent Presumptions of an Injury to the Right of Succession Secondly Too great Evidences of a formed Design to subvert the Established Religion and Civil Liberties of the Nation Now there are two very material Questions which arise from hence First Whether these were the just Occasions of a War Secondly Whether upon the success of this War the Rights of Sovereignty were duly transferred If these were just Occasions of a War and upon the Success thereof the Sovereignty was duly transferred then there can be no Dispute left to whom our Allegiance is due It is taken for granted by all who understand these Matters That as there is a Law of Nature which determines the Rights and Properties of particular Nations and that all private Persons are bound to submit to the Municipal Laws of those Societies for their Peace and Security So there are other Laws which concern those Nations as they make up several independent Governments upon each other And there are several Rights which belong to them with respect to one another which do not belong to private Persons as they live in subjection to any particular Government And as there are such Rights so there must be a just and lawful way for reparation of Injuries In particular Governments the thing is plain by Established Laws and Courts of Judicature whose Sentence is executed by the Civil Power but in Separate Nations and Independent Governments although there be Laws by consent called the Law of Nations yet there is no common Judicature to determine of Right and Wrong and therefore in case of Injury there is an allowance for the injured Party by this Law of Nations to right himself by force as there would be to every particular Person if there were no Laws nor Power to see them executed There is then a Right in every Sovereign and Independent Prince to exercise Force against another Prince who detains any Right from him or doth any Injury to him or to those he is bound to defend The Question then comes to the Just Occasions of such a War and here are two assigned First Great and violent Presumptions of an Injury to the Right of Succession This is expresly mentioned and insisted on in the Declaration of the then Prince of Orange our present King p. 9 10 11. There have been many Instances in History of suborned and suppositious Princes and therefore there was reason that sufficient Evidence should be given in a Case of such Importance and which was under so great Suspicion But if there was no reasonable care taken to prevent or remove these Suspicious then the Parties most concerned have a right to assert their own Pretensions in such a way as the Law of Nations doth allow And in this Case no private Depositions or confident Affirmations of such as are Dependents or otherwise liable to Suspicion can in reason be taken for satisfactory Evidence p. 13. Secondly There was a further Just Occasion for that Expedition which was the Design to subvert our Religion and Civil Liberties As to the Particulars they are fully set down in the Declaration and need not to be repeated That which I am to make out is That the then Prince of Orange by his Relation to the Crown had a just Right to concern himself in the Vindication of both and that this is not repugnant to the Doctrines and Principles of the Church of England It was not thought disagreeable to them for Queen Elizabeth to assist the Dutch against the King of Spain yet she had no such reason for it as our King and Queen had to prevent the suppression of their own Religion here and the Rights of that people to whom they were so nearly related p. 15. In the beginning of the Reign of King Charles the First when I suppose it will be granted ☜ That the Doctrines and Principles of the Church of England were understood and followed the King of Denmark had taken up Arms to settle the Peace and liberty of Germany as he declared But he met with a great Defeat Whereupon King Charles the First thought himself concerned to give Assistance to him And Archbishop Laud was then employed as Dr. Heylin confesseth by the King's Command to draw up a Declaration to be published in all the Parishes of England which was read by the King and approved by the Council wherein the Greatness of the Danger they were in is set forth and the People are exhorted to serve God and the King and to labour by their Prayers to divert the Danger Wherein lay this Danger It is there said to be That by the Defeat of the King of Denmark there was little or nothing left to hinder the House of Austria from being Lord and Master of Germany And what then Why then there will be an open way for Spain to do what they pleased in all the West Part of Christendom It seems then it was not thought disagreeable to the Principles and Doctrines of our Church to hinder the growth of a Western Monarchy although it be by assisting Subjects against their Princes who promote it p. 17. But yet here is another Difficulty ariseth concerning the transferring Allegiance from a Lawful Prince to him that met with unexpected Success in his Design And here I shall endeavour to make it plain That this is not against the Doctrines and Principles of the Church of England p. 20. The Articles of our Church declare That the chief Government of all Estates of this Realm doth appertain to the Civil Magistrate But they no-where say That in a Just war the Superior Power cannot be acquired or that God doth never confer it in an extraordinary method The Book of Homilies is very severe against
King VVilliam and Queen Mary John Brown Clericus Parliamentorum Some Clergy-mens Ways of Disposing of Them A Discourse of God's Ways of Disposing of Kingdoms c. Promotion cometh neither from the East nor from the West nor from the South But God is the Judge He putteth down one and setteth up another TWO things the Psalmist shews in the words of this Text. First The true Original of Power This in David's time all men took to be from Heaven but from whom there many knew not The Eastern Nations who were generally given to Astrology took it to come from their Stars and especially from the Sun which was the chief Object of their Worship The Psalmist tells them No. Promotion cometh not that way Neither from the Planets rising nor setting nor from its exaltation in Mid-Heaven That 's the meaning of the words from the East But Wise-men come out of the East tho' Promotion come from the North They are not Country-men nor from the West nor from the South From the North of the Zodiac or from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the hidden part under the Horizon they never thought it to come And as some think that 's the reason why that part of Heaven is not mention'd But the Psalmist might have another Reason to himself why he did not think fit to say it comes not from the North. For there as he saith elsewhere on the North-side of Jerusalem was Mount Sion the City of the great King of Heaven and Earth There in David's time was the Tabernacle and afterwards there was the Temple in which the Mercy-seat between the Cherubims was the place of the Symbolical Presence of God p. 2 3. could David say Promotion comes not from thence No he saith the contrary in the following words for God is the Judge plainly shewing that to him Kings owe their Authority But Secondly It is to him as Judge He gives it Judicially And so to him they are to account for it p. 4. 'T is the Prerogative of God by which He acts both in the disposing and also in the transferring of Kingdoms The word God in bringing His Majesty into this Kingdom was truly God's making use of the latter branch of his Prerogative in putting down one and setting up another p. 5. The Powers that be are of God That is the several Kingdoms and States even all that are in the World all have their Authority from God I. This at first was from God we are sure because it was from the beginning of Mankind The first Men that were born into the World were all of Adam's Family p. 7. Noah was the Father of all them that liv'd after the Flood When the Fathers or Heads of some of those Nations made Conquests upon one another as Nimrod did on the Nations about him who was therefore call'd a mighty hunter before the Lord or when they were otherwise incorporated together these made the ancient great Monarchies whereof the Assyrian and Egyptian are famous in Ancient History Other of those Nations or rather great Families continu'd in their ancient way of Patriarchal Government Particularly in that Line out of which God chose his peculiar People Abraham was a mighty Prince in his days But all his Subjects were of his Family out of which proceeded many Nations From his Son Isaac there came two Nations of People one of them by Esau Father of Edom the other by Jacob the Father of Israel who for their times also govern'd those Families or Nations When Jacob and all his Family went down into Egypt there ended their Patriarchal Government After which being Subjects to the King of that Country they were brought into a long and sore Bondage which made their Lives bitter to them for many Generations 2. From this God deliver'd them by the hand of Moses And to shew them how they ought to value this mercy from thence he entitled himself to be their King and dated the beginning of his Reign 3. This Theocracy as we call it continu'd from their coming up out of Egypt till such time as God at his Peoples desire gave them a King to judge them like all the Nations p. 8 9. God was pleas'd so far to grant his Peoples Request that they should be an Hereditary Kingdom But for the first King of the reigning Line I thought the People had chosen him by lot at Mispah God would have the chusing of him himself And accordingly first he chose Saul Then God made choice of David I thought the People had chosen David too a man after his own heart There was no other standing Government in that Nation which God chose to be his peculiar People but what was administred by single Persons And those Persons Title to the Government was either Patriarchal or by Divine nomination Both which ways of coming into Power were so wholly of God that the People had nothing to do but to accept the Choice of God and to submit to it II. In other Nations indeed that did not keep up the Patriarchal Right there the Peoples Consent was required except in the Case of Conquest p. 10 11. And this Consent being merely an humane Act it may seem that the Authority it gives is not as we are here taught from God only But we are to consider by what Motives it is that the People are generally led to chuse any one to rule over them All their Motives may be reduc'd to these two either Merit or Favour If there be any other they are but Compositions of these I. The first Choice of Kings I conceive to have been made on account of Merit the People being led to it by a sense of the Benefits they had receiv'd I judge so from that which having been already shewn I take now for granted that the Earth was peopled at first by great Families Now when those by oppression of powerful Neighbours or by Civil Discord among themselves came to be in great distress such as made them see the necessity of being united in greater Bodies for their own preservation those Heroic Men that shew'd them the way of it and that brought them under Government and Laws these were called the FOUNDERS of the Nations Such was Moses among the People of Israel When he had brought them out of Egypt they own'd this as a Title to Government that he would have had even without Divine Nomination Such was Cecrops among the Athanians and Romulus among the Romans and other first Kings in other Nations p. 11 12. Next to these and something like them were the first Planters of Colonies Such as Cadmus was at Thebes Aeneas in Latium and the like In England such were Hengist and the rest that began the Seven Kingdoms of the Saxon Heptarchy From one of these namely But not in the Right Line Sir under favour from Cerdic King of the West-Saxons the Descent of our Royal Family is unquestionable But the most like to Founders are they